"Give an A+ athlete 6 months"

[helltoupee]

Making it in Boxing, the NBA, the NFL etc is a hell of a lot harder than is to become a champion in the UFC. For example, brock became the HW champ with only 3 wins lol. Why would the best athletes in the world join the UFC when they could be making loads more elsewhere. That 15k to show and 15k to win with 6k reebok sponsorship money isnt to enticing lol. Also, Give Deontay Wilder a year to learn some takedown/submission defense and he'd dust stipe.

Very true. And it's why the lighter weight classes typically have better athletes and deeper talent pools - not many places to go for an A level athlete who is 5'6" and 140lbs. Bigger guys who are good athletes will almost always choose traditional ball sports where there is more money and more longevity.

 

[stav]

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its kinda ironic you asking others if theyre retarded.

jones settled for wrestling cause he wasnt good nuff to pursue a nfl career like his brothers. besides even he himself said his brothers routinely kick his ass.

also jones is outwrestling olypmic level wrestlers n subing bjj blaclbelts.

now i dont care how "talented n recruited" he was outta junior college, if what youre saying is true, he shouldnt be able to dominated high caliber opponents the way he does in such a short time.

his size + athletic ability compensated alot for his lack of pure technical skills.

now again if we consider lebron whos on another level when it comes to athleticism n his size, its easy to see why he would dominated in short time

horses for courses.
Just bc you can dominate on a basketball court does not mean you can transition with the same success into another field.
Skill sets are different in all sports.
Yes great athletes have natural abilities that allow them to pick up many activaties but it does not mean they will have the exact same success.

 

[Deleted member 347815]

The fact I find most funny is that these "A level athlete" worshippers always seem to assume these men would somehow naturally have the mindset of a fighter, meaning they would not react like Brock or worse when getting hit to the face etc.

Ya this one drives me crazy, being an "A level athlete" has nothing to do with fighting (apart from a certain level of fitness). I can't stand hearing how a certain football player with no martial arts background would be a wrecking machine just because they can train hard and throw a football. Fighting is on a completely different level mentally and spiritually and I know this first hand from actually being a fighter.

 

[Kawlinz]

this clearly shows lack of coordination n explosiveness.

now jones might "look athletic" when facing stiffs like bader n glover, however compared to true elite athletes hes not very athletic.

compare that to

Being uncoordinated with a basketball if you don't play basketball isn't the same as unathletic. Lets see the basketball player throw a frontkick to someone's face, and if it looks awkward without explosiveness, it's not because of a lack of athleticism.

 

[Davemeddlehed]

It is not that simple. Its very complex thing how we react to pain and pressure and that is why peoples in military / combat sports etc train with those two things. People change, sometimes willingly, sometimes unwillingly. There is no one real Leben or Brock, those dudes change as life change around them.

There's a psychological effect to being hit in the face, rather than pulling a muscle, or stubbing your toe, etc etc etc. Being hit in the face triggers a much stronger reaction often enough. You cannot train the way you react when hit in the face, it's instinct.

 

[TehGwarch]

Even more impressive is learning how not to get hit in the face. lol

 

[saugeye killah]

A more fun discussion would be: what bigtime pro athlete do you think could actually become a very good mma fighter?

I'd be very interested to see Gronk...

 

[cheesus]

The fact I find most funny is that these "A level athlete" worshippers always seem to assume these men would somehow naturally have the mindset of a fighter, meaning they would not react like Brock or worse when getting hit to the face etc.

People overlook this way too much, being a great athlete does not transcend into fighting. A lot of people can't adapt or ever feel comfortable with being hit...even in a sparring environment.

 

[TehGwarch]

Yeah, that's kind of the point. These guys would be so dominant and everyone knows it that they're not even allowed the chance to compete. Why is there a 265 cap if these guys wouldnt be so good?

I suppose you could have 20 husky divisions with like 3 guys each all the way up to 600lbs. lol

 

[Dead Kennedy]

Bismack Biyombo or James Johnson could be heavyweight champs with legit 3 months of training at a high level gym.

Have no clue who he is, but Bismack Biyombo is a cool ass name lol

 

[kingskot]

You're fighting a losing battle here, TS. We know for a fact that great success at one sport doesn't necessarily translate to another sport. Even Olympic athletes in combat sports aren't necessarily able to be top MMA fighters. It won't stop people from believing that top guys in their favorite sport could dominate at MMA if they only trained a bit. People hate facts.

 

[k1ngjester]

Steph Curry BW champ with 6 weeks training

6'3 and weighs 190 lbs... you want him to chop a leg to fight Cruz?

 

[Rovert]

Lol I've been seeing this forever now. Are people trolling when they say this or do they really believe it.

What the fuck can you learn in 6 months that'll teach you how to beat a guy who has been doing this for years? Fighting is the one sport where having a super high vertical, a blazing 40, and crazy explosion doesn't 100% dictate a fight.

I was a former college wrestler and trust me. It's going to take longer than 6 months to learn takedowns, it's not just a single leg/double leg...and it's not just "hurr durr sprawl when they shoot"...hearing this really dawns to me how little a lot of you know about the intricate nature of grappling/striking.

6 months may teach you some basic stuff, but when you're getting hooks thrown in and your back taken...human nature takes over and people do things that they shouldn't do. It takes years of training to break the habit of these quirks.

Kevin Randleman was an A+ athlete and one of the best college wrestlers in his era not to mention the potential "supps" he may have taken in his hey day. And his record is nothing spectacular (RIP). That should show you that this sport has evolved much further from the time where a super athlete could come in and dominate.

Oh and don't mention Brock Lesnar as an example, considering he was the #1 Heavyweight wrestler at Minnesota in his NCAA days

 

[Madbomber]

come on!

jon jones (c level at best) became ufc champ after 3 years.

could you imagine what would someone like lebron do?

he bigger, stronger, faster, quicker... than jones.

its not crazy to suggest it takes him even less time to become ufc champ

Lebron would cower and turtle up as soon as he got clipped in the face. Being a pampered NBA player in no way prepares anyone for the rigors and mental toughness required to engage in unarmed combat. Pro ball players are coddled babies compared to MMA fighters and would not survive long enough to become good.

 

[soulsstealer]

A wwe star is a legit contender at like 38 and has already been a HW champ in the UFC lets not kid ourselves what would happen if real atheletes got into MMA.

 

[Madbomber]

what you dont seem to realize is to make it to the highest level of any sport you have to be gifted athletically, but also very competitive individual.

thats a difference between nba/nfl journeyman n an allstar.

all the top nba/nfl players are also the most competitive ppl in the world. their desire to win > other individuals. your division 1 wrestler or bjj black belt simply doesnt have mental fortitude to keep up with these guys. he will simply break when overwhelmed with their athleticism + mental toughness.

on top of that most of these guys grew up in the hood, so you can be sure they have a mindset of a fighter. they literally grew up fighting.

They use weapons in the hood and they rarely fight one on one. They don't like fair fights.

 

[Madbomber]

Didn't Big Baby from TUF get tooled by Meathead. Big Baby played in the NFL and was an A- level athlete.

 

[wufabufa]

6 months is not enough time to beat the best in the world at anything unless you're autistic and have figured out how to play chess like a computer. If you guys actually trained a day in your life you'd see it first hand. Train BJJ long enough and it will happen. There's a new guy that's bigger, faster, and stronger than everyone who comes in thinking he's gonna wreck everyone on his first day only to get his shit pushed in by the smallest guy in the gym......only to never return again after he figures out it's difficult and skill matters.

It takes a certain type of person to willingly engage in combat for money and it sure as shit isn't for everyone, athletes included. While a monster like Brock could dish it out, he did not behave like a fighter after being hit a few times.

 

[empsim]

Absolutely untrue. Messi is 5'7 and weighs around 150. Lebron is 6'8 and 250.

yes because all soccer players are messi size and all basketball players are lebron size

are you serious?

 

[blaseblah]

yes because all soccer players are messi size and all basketball players are lebron size

are you serious?

Are you blind or just attempting to troll? Go watch an NBA game and then go watch a soccer game. They are entirely different physiques.

This shit post is proof that sherdoggers will argue over anything.