"Give an A+ athlete 6 months"

[79Stitches]

Lol I've been seeing this forever now. Are people trolling when they say this or do they really believe it.

What the fuck can you learn in 6 months that'll teach you how to beat a guy who has been doing this for years? Fighting is the one sport where having a super high vertical, a blazing 40, and crazy explosion doesn't 100% dictate a fight.

I was a former college wrestler and trust me. It's going to take longer than 6 months to learn takedowns, it's not just a single leg/double leg...and it's not just "hurr durr sprawl when they shoot"...hearing this really dawns to me how little a lot of you know about the intricate nature of grappling/striking.

6 months may teach you some basic stuff, but when you're getting hooks thrown in and your back taken...human nature takes over and people do things that they shouldn't do. It takes years of training to break the habit of these quirks.

Kevin Randleman was an A+ athlete and one of the best college wrestlers in his era not to mention the potential "supps" he may have taken in his hey day. And his record is nothing spectacular (RIP). That should show you that this sport has evolved much further from the time where a super athlete could come in and dominate.

Oh and don't mention Brock Lesnar as an example, considering he was the #1 Heavyweight wrestler at Minnesota in his NCAA days

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

 

[empsim]

Are you blind or just attempting to troll? Go watch an NBA game and then go watch a soccer game. They are entirely different physiques.

This shit post is proof that sherdoggers will argue over anything.

a soccer player, tennis player and basketball point guard could very well have similar physique. it was an EXAMPLE.

and they would not be successful in other sports if they didnt start training as little kids but they could still find success in fighting.

you dont seem to get it though so dont bother repyling

 

[ermac88]

Two A+ athletes (superstars Jim Brown of NFL and Wilt Chamberlain of the NBA) were tempted to try the theory that an A+ athlete could become the boxing heavyweight champ with just a few months training - both wanted to fight Muhammed Ali. On investigation both decided it was extremely unlikely they had any chance at all, and so dropped the idea (in Brown's case after meeting Ali in a park for a test, putting on gloves, and spending a couple of minutes swinging and missing at Ali, who threw no punches in return).

Fans of A+ athletes are more optimistic about how easy it is to learn how to fight than the athletes themselves.

BTW, both or kind of interesting stories, lot's of stuff about Ali's come up since his death.

Ali was an A level/elite athlete. His athleticism was OFF THE CHART and he was an Olympian
This is a just horribly irrelevant to the topic

 

[ermac88]

Ya this one drives me crazy, being an "A level athlete" has nothing to do with fighting (apart from a certain level of fitness). I can't stand hearing how a certain football player with no martial arts background would be a wrecking machine just because they can train hard and throw a football. Fighting is on a completely different level mentally and spiritually and I know this first hand from actually being a fighter.

A bigger, stronger, more co-ordinate and athletic person will ALWAYS beat someone with comparable skill and less athleticism.
This is just a fact.

Great athletes will go where the money is, which is NOT the UFC

 

[Deleted member 347815]

A bigger, stronger, more co-ordinate and athletic person will ALWAYS beat someone with comparable skill and less athleticism.
This is just a fact.

Great athletes will go where the money is, which is NOT the UFC

Not too sure what you're talking about... I'm not saying anything about an A-level Athlete fighting someone with the same skill? Because in 6 months an A-level athlete will not have the same fighting ability as someone who has been a professional fighter for say 10-15 years.

 

[steny]

Give an A+ athlete 6 months .... and he will panick turtle after first hit.

 

[whougonnacall]

Who the fuck defines a level athlete?
If u took 10-20 of the finest in nba,nfl, premier league football etc and trained them up for a few months the vast majority would still be hilariously outmatched
People seem to forget all the hand eye and reflex b.s they spew is built up for their particular sport over a lifetime ....just because u can after a lifetime throw a perfect spiral or curve the ball almost 90 degrees off a corner kick doesnt mean ul pick up boxing etc well
Plus all would have to retune their s+c and rebuild their bodies over months to suit the new sport



Idiots talking about a level athletes dont get it.....if the ufc and other non boxing fighting arts paid more then more would take it up early and widen the talent pool yes
But the idea that guys who have already devoted their lives to perfecting a non combat sport could wander in and now and dominate is simply stupid .

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

Ali was an A level/elite athlete. His athleticism was OFF THE CHART and he was an Olympian
This is a just horribly irrelevant to the topic

I'm not arguing that Ali wasn't an A+ athlete. I'm arguing against the suggestion that A-level athletes never go into combat sport (in fact some seem to be suggesting they're only found in the NBA and NFL) and decided to use Ali as a prime counter example (ie an example of absolutely top level athlete in combat sport). I could also have used Karelin, or Kimura, or Satiev, or Sugar Ray Leonard, or Mayweather, and so on. But Ali is my favorite.

 

[tramendous]

B+ athlete with 18 months > A+ athlete with 6 months

 

[Helden]

this clearly shows lack of coordination n explosiveness.

now jones might "look athletic" when facing stiffs like bader n glover, however compared to true elite athletes hes not very athletic.

compare that to

Good thing he is fighting and not playing basketball

 

[eiyuu]

Great athletes will go where the money is, which is NOT the UFC

So all the great athletes are going into boxing since the highest paid athlete on the planet is a boxer?

 

[eiyuu]

Great athletes will go where the money is, which is NOT the UFC

And look at these high earning "A-Level Athletes" . . .

. . . such athleticism!!!

 

[kflo]

There's a psychological effect to being hit in the face, rather than pulling a muscle, or stubbing your toe, etc etc etc. Being hit in the face triggers a much stronger reaction often enough. You cannot train the way you react when hit in the face, it's instinct.

of course you can. it's absurd to think you can't change at all how you react when hit in the face.

 

[kflo]

A bigger, stronger, more co-ordinate and athletic person will ALWAYS beat someone with comparable skill and less athleticism.
This is just a fact.

Great athletes will go where the money is, which is NOT the UFC

this is stupid. again, i'll use roy jones. he was an average "athlete" on a development basketball league court. "athleticism" isn't a formula and it doesn't apply universally.

 

[Sgt Smith]

This statement might be of some truth if that particular athlete also had the intangible qualities that make a good fighter. This qualities can normally not be measured by the sport in which they currently compete.

Take LeBron for instance, since he is often cited as an example. If he had the deer in the headlights look the first be shot he took or made defensive mistakes in grappling, would he really be the HW champ with 6 months of training? Even if he had learned high level striking and was versed in BJJ, you'd likely see mixed results prior to a title fight.

 

[Bubblun]

Forget about NFL players in mma, we already seen that and usually they don't do too well.

I want to see Hendo or Roy Nelson doing a NFL combine, drafts of whatever they call it just for the lulz, and then test punching power with those NFL players.
I bet that JJ Watt and bench press puffy looking guys punch like sissies.

 

[Davemeddlehed]

of course you can. it's absurd to think you can't change at all how you react when hit in the face.

Then why does Overeem still react poorly to being hit with a big punch?

 

[barehanded]

 

[ermac88]

this is stupid. again, i'll use roy jones. he was an average "athlete" on a development basketball league court. "athleticism" isn't a formula and it doesn't apply universally.

Athleticism is a formula and better athletes perform better than non athletes, that is a simple fact.

Athlete w training superior to non-athlete with training.

This is a simple irrefutable fact thats even understood at a middle school level regarding sports.

 

[ermac88]

Forget about NFL players in mma, we already seen that and usually they don't do too well.

I want to see Hendo or Roy Nelson doing a NFL combine, drafts of whatever they call it just for the lulz, and then test punching power with those NFL players.
I bet that JJ Watt and bench press puffy looking guys punch like sissies.

Actually the 2 nfl washouts (one never even stepped on the feild) were at a time top 10 fighters.

Mitrione started mma in his 30s

So imagine would A levels would do starting Jones age or earlier.