"Give an A+ athlete 6 months"

[koplin9]

this is such horseshit.

you can have the strongest p4p dude in the world, strongest judo/bjj/wrestling/muaythai/etc whatever.

but if that dude his a 0 chin what does it matter? We dont know what chins these A+ athletes have.


Look at boxing, there are tons of guys who are like F- level athletes, but have A+ chins.


Fighting as a sport is completely different than rugby, weightligting, judo, basketball, whatever... because you get hit in the head and you can go unconscious.


its ridiculous. in MMA right now for instance, the skill level is high enough that if you take a 145lb fighter, there is basically no chance he can KO a 225lber under 99.5% of fighting circumstances.

If you gave a random sample of 10 A+ athletes 6 months of training, I am confident those A+ level athletes would fare horribly against the 145lb division. They'd get KO'd, easily because the barrier of entry into a combat sport for how strong yoru chin is, is very fucking high.

 

[ermac88]

lol. You don't even understand your own argument. Lol.

Huh?
Your projecting your own confusion on me. My position is crystal clear and irrefutable. There is not much money in the ufc as a fighter.

1 or 2 athletes making good money in mma represent statistical outliers

 

[kflo]

Huh?
Your projecting your own confusion on me. My position is crystal clear and irrefutable. There is not much money in the ufc as a fighter.

1 or 2 athletes making good money in mma represent statistical outliers

The top fighters make millions.

A level athlete is apparently guaranteed to be a top fighter. Therefore they will make millions. Simple.

 

[ermac88]

The top fighters make millions.

A level athlete is apparently guaranteed to be a top fighter. Therefore they will make millions. Simple.

The top fighters are not making millions.

Stipe the HW champ got 250k for winning the belt after 6 years of fighting.

 

[Sgt Smith]

Like I said, Johnnie Morton and Michael Westbrook, case closed.

Never heard of them

Johnnie fought on the same card Brock debuted on. If you haven't heard of Morton or Westbrook, either you're joking or you don't follow the NFL.

 

[original doom]

Using Lebron I think is a bad example. Check out that gif hes not a fighter.

Youd be better going for ice hockey fighters as oppose to A level athletes from the NFL/NBA. Potenitally the best fighters in the NFL might be some guys who never really get any game time and no one really knows who they are.

Most MMA fighters would not last in a boxing ring with the top 10 so why are NFL/NBA players going to steam roll everyone in the UFC ?
I dont watch NFL but I would think there would be guys who could with the right amount training could do well in MMA but I suspect it wouldnt be any names thrown around here.

Definately not Lebron.

This is like people who claim special forces could roll up and beat everyone in the octagon.

 

[echohead]

if the UFC roster had a 200k min salary and fighters didn't have to pay their own training and travel expenses you would see a much different set of athletes than you do today. As it stands you have top level wrestlers going into other sports because there is no money in MMA.

 

[Takamine86]

How long it takes is dependent on the athlete. Definitely would take more than 6 months though. But great athletes have more potential than everyone else. Because technique and skill can be taught. Athleticism, speed, power, cannot.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

There are elite level or "A" level athletes in every major sport. If Athleticism and 6 months was all that's needed then Sage Northcutt would have no losses in the UFC. Romero has lost in his MMA career as well and that was to a much less athletic fighter in Cavalcante, got KAYOed. Romero also had extra "help" in the form of PEDs and got busted. He's coming off of a split decision victory over Jacare. Both Northcutt and Romero are elite level athletes that have had much longer than 6 months to prepare and Romero was a world class Freestyle wrestler.

If we consider Lesnar to be A level, which he used to be, then keep in mind how much bigger he was than Couture (who used to be a Light Heavyweight) and Couture's advanced age when they fought and Brock won the Heavyweight title. He's a freak that doesn't just have the athleticism but also the size. He also had a high level amateur wrestling background which in many people's opinion is the best base for MMA.

Six months isn't enough time for any A level athlete or A+ to become undisputed champ, especially in a deeply talent filled division. This isn't just a physical sport it's a mental sport and many, even most A level athletes wouldn't be cut out for the job.

 

[Deleted member 347815]

Umm Jon Jones.
8 months and B level maybe C

Wasn't aware that Jones had no wrestling background beforehand.

/sarcasm

 

[ermac88]

if the UFC roster had a 200k min salary and fighters didn't have to pay their own training and travel expenses you would see a much different set of athletes than you do today. As it stands you have top level wrestlers going into other sports because there is no money in MMA.

This
People forget that there are champions that were and have other jobs to survive, its like the early nfl.

 

[AnotherOldGuy]

How long it takes is dependent on the athlete. Definitely would take more than 6 months though. But great athletes have more potential than everyone else. Because technique and skill can be taught. Athleticism, speed, power, cannot.

The question is whether the appropriate mental requirements for fighting can be taught. Every sport has different mental requirements: its a major reason that there are very, very few athletes who are among the best in the world in more than one sport. As you say technique and skill can be taught, so it should be fairly common for great athletes to be great at multiple sports. But according to every high level coach in every big money sport, the key element in becoming a champion is mental, and its different for every sport.

Individual sports require a very different mental outlook than team sports, and fighting in particular requires a very different mental outlook than other individual sports. People who think high level sport are solely physical (a combination of just skill and athleticism) are naive, and should read up what the coaches and athletes themselves say.

You never know how an athlete is going to do in a new sport until they try. Michael Jordan's attempt at baseball is a good example of that. He had plenty of time (and coaching) to learn the skill's required - his form apparently was fine; but getting his mind right for baseball (especially batting) wasn't so easy.

 

[untitled]

Guys watch this sweep by Lebron, already a master of BJJ.


But on a serious note, these huge guys are real heavyweights who are lean and still over 225 lbs, unlike half the heavyweight roster which are 6 feet tall men battling obesity. Mark hunt, despite being a good fighter, is clinically obese. Probably Fedor at this point too.

 

[Pikkon]

That's not something you can learn.

Have you ever trained combat sport before? That exactly one of the things you can learn.

 

[D 1 Wrestler]

Brock was 10 years past his prime when he started mma and won the belt in 3 fights.

Morton was also after his prime. Of course his chin was shot he spent 12 years getting concussed in the nfl

 

[TobikanJudan94]

It might be somewhat true,at HW. The division is shallow and being a freak athlete can give you an incredible boost. Of course not in 6 months,that's retarded,but an excellent athlete could do very well in MMA at HW.

But people need to realize that being fast,coordinated,strong etc. etc....isn't enough. These guys get punched in the face for a living. You need to be tough as hell to do it,and just being a "A level athlete" is not enough.

 

[LSU]

Im pretty sure Ray Mercer KO'ed the former UFC champ Sylvia less than 2 years after he lost the title in only EIGHT SECONDS. Keep in mind this happened while Sylvia was only 33 which is a HWs prime and Mercer with no MMA experience was 48 which is washed up. Explain that please! Lol!

 

[Orni]

Bismack Biyombo or James Johnson could be heavyweight champs with legit 3 months of training at a high level gym.

Sure they could.

 

[Orni]

Im pretty sure Ray Mercer KO'ed the former UFC champ Sylvia less than 2 years after he lost the title in only EIGHT SECONDS. Keep in mind this happened while Sylvia was only 33 which is a HWs prime and Mercer with no MMA experience was 48 which is washed up. Explain that please! Lol!

And James Toney got subbed by Randy Couture. First of all your point is completly irrelevant and dumb as shit since you're talking about a former elite boxer who has plenty of MMA experience, you know MMA includes boxing right? jesus....so many fools on these forums.

 

[S Class]

You just had to open that can of worms