War Wagon Gane is going to shock the world.

[SuperAlly]

I think people dismissing Gane do so more to delegitimize Jones as a HW champ. If Jones hadn't man-handled him so easily on the way to a win, they'd still be talking about him like they did before their fight. I seem to remember predictions that he'd expose Jones.

No one could beat him until Ngannou did it, because his striking was that much better than everyone else, and even Francis chose to go for the wrestle-fuck decision path rather than stand and trade with him, which I thought was telling and somewhat remarkable.

He's very good. So is Aspinall. Aspinall has more ways to win, so I'd have to say he's favored. If Gane can keep it on the feet, mostly in the middle of the cage, and can keep it at distance, that's his path to winning.

I think people keep propping up Gane as a way to legitimise Jon's HW "run", he'd already been badly exposed as a one dimensional kickboxer by a 1 legged, 1 kneed Francis yaddi yadda yadda

 

[WhiteMousse]

It's just such incredibly ridiculous hyperbole.

He's lost to ngannou and jones so he's absolutely terrible.

just like max holloway who lost to Volk and topuria he's abosolutely terrible too right?

Well if anyone's saying Gane is terrible yeah they're dead wrong. I think what's happening is that Tom has a lot of hype, an amazing resume to back it up, and a lot of anger against Jon, which I share.

As far as Gane goes, I think the Jones loss is not bad at all-- it's unfortunate that we didn't get to see more standup, Jones is a monster on the ground. But I'd say the Ngannou loss was bad. He really should have won that fight, had the tools to do it, and I believe Ngannou had really bad knees at the time.

People use hyperbole all the time, you're right. Just try not to let it get to you brother

 

[SuperAlly]

Why did people suddenly forget gane was the boogeyman of the division? is it because he (a striker) got choked by the literal goat?
or was it because he lost a close decision to the most dangerous hw of all time in ngannou?
many years later sherdog users still show their iq lolol

Wait, I thought Pav was the boogeyman of the division

It definitely was never Gane, although his striking looks pretty I agree

 

[SuperAlly]

Hes a great striker on a technical level, the issue is he lacks power and has fairly weak grappling. Tom has serious KO power and is also a very aggressive and explosive grappler.

Not writing Gane off but stylistically this is a tough fight for him imo. I also think theres a good chance he would lose to some of the other guys Tom beat ie Blaydes and Pav, and we already saw him arguably lose to Volkov too.

I think it the Jones stans stopped trying to hide Gane’s glaring weaknesses, people wouldn't highlight them so strongly.

It's HW. One 250+ lb mother fucker always has a chance of destroying another. Shit, Tai almost had Gane out on his arse.

But we all know, when you rationalise their strengths and weaknesses, Tom wins this fight 99/100

 

[SuperAlly]

I favor Gane but it's HW. Anyone can win in HW.

Why?

 

[SuperAlly]

Gane apparently sucks because the GOAT walked through him and 15-3 Aspinall is now a God amongst men because the GOAT wasn't interested in fighting him.

No, he sucks because one legged striker Francis outgrappled him

But it's hard to be coherent with Jon's cock in your mouth I guess

 

[SuperAlly]

The last Volkov fight was 3 rounds, and he gassed hard af because he was forced to fight. He can probably dance around looking pretty for 10 rounds. If you pressure him, force him to grapple, hit him, he will gas and wilt.

I used to rate Gane very highly but I don't think his head is in the game like it used to be.

If Aspinall is having problems on the feet, there's nothing Gane can do to stop the takedown. Once it's on the ground, he has nothing to offer.

There are still serious questions around Aspinall's cardio and it wouldn't surprise me if it's pretty bad, but I think he finishes Gane within 2 rounds.

There arent serious questions. Questions maybe, but no reason to jump to the extreme fear and also no reason to believe it will be bad. It might be. But it shouldn't be the expectation.

 

[sdpdude9]

is also a fair way to look at it . Gane lost in title fights twice, yes. his fight with francis was very very close and he only lost via one fatal error which is not terrible for a young fighter like gane in his first title fight.

Aspinall has not faced a single fighter as good as Jones or Ngannou yet, So we dont know if aspinall is only champ because they are gone.

Beating Cryil, IMO is far more important for tom than beating Jones. Beating jones just means jones is old and past it, As expected. Gane, Is without a doubt, the best HW of the last 10 years signed to the UFC who is still there outside of tom himself..

I’m actually kind of flabbergasted you think having a champion that lost to the last 2 makes the division appear stronger than one that didn’t.

You can speculate whether Aspinall would have been champion if those guys were still around. But with Gane you know he’s only champion because those guys aren’t around. Gane beating Aspinall would appear to be a weaker champion than Aspinall beating Gane would. And a weaker champion makes the division as a whole look weaker. The question mark is better than having a known negative answer.

 

[SuperAlly]

He'd lose really badly if he tried it. He gets finished in 2 if he tries to strike with gane.

"you couldn't be more wrong.

Honestly, I fucking hate this place sometimes. Posts like this make me hate mma fans so much. Thankfully, the promotion doesn't respect mma fans."

Stop watching MMA with you eyes closed or whilst receiving a roman helmet from Jon Jones

 

[SuperAlly]

no he hasn't, He's gone 25 mins multiple times and has won before.

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I swear to god man, how does this place has people who actually fill out a registration form to join a forum only to post things that are factually incorrect with such confidence.

Why does sherdogs collective IQ drop 50 points when speaking about cyril gane?

Ask OP and RockyLockridge

Oh wait...

 

[SuperAlly]

Why? If they're wrong and you're right and you know it, why does it bother you?

Because he's slurping Jones spunk daily

No reason for the outburst on this thread otherwise with bizarre claims that KO artists Tom who has knocked out most the top 10 in a round can't handle the French pitter patter man who admittedly looks pretty while pitter pattering

 

[SuperAlly]

is also a fair way to look at it . Gane lost in title fights twice, yes. his fight with francis was very very close and he only lost via one fatal error which is not terrible for a young fighter like gane in his first title fight.

Aspinall has not faced a single fighter as good as Jones or Ngannou yet, So we dont know if aspinall is only champ because they are gone.

Beating Cryil, IMO is far more important for tom than beating Jones. Beating jones just means jones is old and past it, As expected. Gane, Is without a doubt, the best HW of the last 10 years signed to the UFC who is still there outside of tom himself..

Young? Have a word with yourself mate

You're having a mare because of your infatuation with Jones

 

[RockyLockridge]

I’m actually kind of flabbergasted you think having a champion that lost to the last 2 makes the division appear stronger than one that didn’t.

I cant re-call saying this, Im not sure where you've extrapolated this idea from. I never said that at all. Sure one lets you speculate (pretend) that tom would beat jones and ngannou EASIER, However, I watch the actual fight and I think it is very possible for gane to beat francis based on the result of the first fight. he lost that fight by an inch.

The question mark is better than having a known negative answer.

For who? You? for me? or for The promoter?

The promoter I can see liking it, But I dont have to subscribe to; or pretend that Aspinall is a super proven champion who has fough the best of the best. I can look at Ganes record and concede that he has fought better fighters, despite having lost.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Well if anyone's saying Gane is terrible yeah they're dead wrong.

That is exactly what i responded to.

 

[RockyLockridge]

Gane certainly isn't terrible but it didn't help your stance that same post of yours added that the guy that keeps knocking people out in under two minutes stands no chance on the feet with Gane though.

This x 1000

Actually it does because if you actually take the time out to watch the fights you'll see that ngannou was knocking everyone out in minutes flat as well but gane bested him on the feet and stood up infront of him the entire fight.

Gane is the only person to beat Ngannou in a stand up fight. Everyone else who has had to stand up with him has been ko'd bar lewis.

but now, All of a sudden, Aspinall is the greatest and most dangerous KO artist the HW division has ever seen. Ngannou; Just some pfl guy right? Just another common case of recency bias.

 

[arcadeperfect]

I actually like Gane. BUT if there's any justice in this world Aspinall will win. If Gane wins then Jones gets away with ANOTHER bullshit scenario.

 

[burningspear]

I actually like Gane. BUT if there's any justice in this world Aspinall will win. If Gane wins then Jones gets away with ANOTHER bullshit scenario.

Do you think he would be shameless enough to call for a Gane rematch?

 

[mkess101]

I cant re-call saying this, Im not sure where you've extrapolated this idea from. I never said that at all. Sure one lets you speculate (pretend) that tom would beat jones and ngannou EASIER, However, I watch the actual fight and I think it is very possible for gane to beat francis based on the result of the first fight. he lost that fight by an inch.


For who? You? for me? or for The promoter?

The promoter I can see liking it, But I dont have to subscribe to; or pretend that Aspinall is a super proven champion who has fough the best of the best. I can look at Ganes record and concede that he has fought better fighters, despite having lost.

You also can look at their common opponent. (Not as the only metric of course, but as one metric). Gane won a competitive but clear decision first time vs Volkov, then was gifted a robbery (while injured, yes). Aspinall knifed through Volkov. Took him down and subbed him inside a round.

 

[SuperAlly]

I actually like Gane. BUT if there's any justice in this world Aspinall will win. If Gane wins then Jones gets away with ANOTHER bullshit scenario.

Even forgetting about Jones as we all should, Gane ducked tom like the plague on the way up, lost to Volkov and was gifted a robbery decision and only gets this fight because Tom has destroyed all the guys who didn't duck him on his rise.

I like Gane too. Who doesn't like a guy who stylistically looks very good striking and moves unlike most HWs (Tom aside).

But as you say... if there's any justice.... this would be Volkov's fight

 

[JBJ was here]

The last Volkov fight was 3 rounds, and he gassed hard af because he was forced to fight. He can probably dance around looking pretty for 10 rounds. If you pressure him, force him to grapple, hit him, he will gas and wilt.

Gane shattered several bones in his left foot and was unable to put nearly full weight on it or kick with it for two-and-a-half rounds. That's what gassed him. Volkov applied no pressure at all, which is why so little happened in the second round that judges who didn't get a clear view of one backfist that Gane, somewhat impressively, was able to walk (hobble) through were able to very legitimately score the round for Gane.

Don't get me wrong: Gane has almost no chance against Aspinall, but reading anything into his second fight with Volkov beyond the fact that totally fucking up your foot makes it hard to fight is almost as absurd as claiming that Aspinall can't be that good because of his loss to Curtis Blaydes.