War Wagon Gane is going to shock the world.

[Reapzz]

Gane doesn't take training full time seriously. Tom does. The level Tom is at, he is probably going to destroy Gane. Toms not a man to half ass train for.

 

[RockyLockridge]

You also can look at their common opponent. (Not as the only metric of course, but as one metric). Gane won a competitive but clear decision first time vs Volkov, then was gifted a robbery (while injured, yes). Aspinall knifed through Volkov. Took him down and subbed him inside a round.

yeah and?

Different fighters, DIfferent match ups, Different styles. Volkov had lost a 50-45 to gane the first time in volkovs own wheelhouse. Im sure he's had plenty of time to make adjustments and learn from his first fight against gane. Also it being a 3 round fight may have benefitted him aswell. Gane may have pulled away in wider championship rounds like the first fight. Stylistically, Gane is as good as a match up gets for Volkov, A striker without one shot KO power like a lewis or Ngannou. And he still lost a 50-45.

Aspinall has completely different threats for volkov. Nothing i saw from tom showed that he'd stand up with volkov for 25 mins and win every single round.

 

[mkess101]

Actually it does because if you actually take the time out to watch the fights you'll see that ngannou was knocking everyone out in minutes flat as well but gane bested him on the feet and stood up infront of him the entire fight.

Gane is the only person to beat Ngannou in a stand up fight. Everyone else who has had to stand up with him has been ko'd bar lewis.

but now, All of a sudden, Aspinall is the greatest and most dangerous KO artist the HW division has ever seen. Ngannou; Just some pfl guy right? Just another common case of recency bias.

Well, seeing Gane a cunt hair away from being KO'd by Tuivasa doesn't help.

The point is more that you went off on people for using hyperbole and followed it up by saying Aspinall (who's never been hurt standing yet and has smoked everyone hes faced--including half the top 10) has no chance standing vs Gane. Yes, the same Gane that was extremely lucky to survive vs Tuivasa. You see why someone might say that's a wee bit hypocritical?

 

[RockyLockridge]

Well, seeing Gane a cunt hair away from being KO'd by Tuivasa doesn't help.

No he wasn't. He got dropped and got RIGHT back up he didn't get ground and pounded and saved by the bell which would be this cunt hair you speak of. you're using hyperbole.

You see why someone might say that's a wee bit hypocritical?

No I dont because Im using francis ngannou as the measuring stick for how good his stand up striking is; he's defensively very responsible, I'm not saying this to discount tom's striking.

i'll make my self clear: Gane fought 2 of the most dangerous one shot guys to EVER fight in the UFC (Ngannou and Lewis) Stood right infront of them and won the striking exchanges, Whatever you're saying about aspinall's striking, Gane has navigated before. That is why i'm making this statement. no it's not hyperbole. No it's not hypocritical of me to call out hyperbole.

 

[Docrob2354]

Aspinall’s a human highlight reel, but Gane’s slick footwork and technical game might just steal the show.
Picture Gane dancing around Ngannou’s bombs at UFC 270, landing crisp counters and kicks over five rounds—his heavyweight ballet could make Aspinall chase and test that unproven gas tank.

Tom’s has quick KOs over Pavlovich and Blaydes, plus a slick sub on Volkov , but he’s faced no one with Gane’s finesse. Gane was outstriking Volkov 146-106 and TKO’ing Lewis with surgical precision.

Aspinall’s never seen round 3 in 18 fights , while Gane’s gone 25 minutes against Ngannou and Volkov—can Tom keep up if Gane drags him to deep waters?

Seriously, if Gane avoids the early storm, he might outpoint or even finish a gassed Aspinall.

48-47 Gane, you heard it here first folks.

This fight will go just like the Jones fight. early take down and submission, if he doesn't knock him out first. Jones and Ngannou had no trouble taking Gane down and neither will Tom

 

[JBJ was here]

But we all know, when you rationalise their strengths and weaknesses, Tom wins this fight 99/100

I'm pretty sure Tom suffers a freak injury or gets DQed for a brain fart a lot more frequently than one time in a hundred. But yes, Gane doesn't have even the typical HW puncher's chance against Aspinall.

 

[mkess101]

No he wasn't. He got dropped and got RIGHT back up he didn't get ground and pounded and saved by the bell which would be this cunt hair you speak of. you're using hyperbole.



No I dont because Im using francis ngannou as the measuring stick for how good his stand up striking is; he's defensively very responsible, I'm not saying this to discount tom's striking.

He was rocked and hurt badly. He did get up and held on for a second and recovered well. Denying he was in real trouble there is just disingenuous. One more solid shot lands while he's clearing the cobwebs and he's likely done. But whatever, I won't try to make you believe it. People see what they want. I had $ on a Gane finish so was rooting for him 100% and I was absolutely worried he was about to be finished. And his "defensive responsibility" didn't stop him from getting rocked and dropped from a far slower and worse striker than Aspinall.

I mean, you can use Ngannou as a measuring stick if you want...Ngannou was terrified of Black Beast's power and wouldn't even throw. Likely he'd be frozen like that vs a guy knocking everyone out too.

"Gane sucks" gets you angry and hating hyperbole.

"Aspinall can't stand up with Gane or he'll be easily finished inside 2 rounds" isn't hyperbole though? We should all just accept that as reasonable analysis? Tai Tuivasa can rock and drop him and damn near make the final bell but Aspinall won't last 2 rounds? Tanner Boser (LMAO) can go 3 full rounds but Tom won't make 2? Pretty sure I don't need to keep going to prove why you're being a hypocrite by not accepting your own words as silly hyperbole.

 

[RockyLockridge]

"Aspinall can't stand up with Gane or he'll be easily finished inside 2 rounds" isn't hyperbole though?

You're right.

there is Some hyperbole there.

Aspinall would almost certainly lose to gane if he chose to stand with him for the entire fight.

That i will say with no emotion and with no point to prove.

just remember, Aspinall has never in his entire career faced hitters like lewis, ngannou and tuivasa. Just remember that. He might completely crumble if he got touched by any of those 3 you dont know. But we can be certain that Gane can navigate that, Because he has. So i see no reason why he doesn't navigate tom on the feet aswell.

 

[SuperAlly]

Whatever you're saying about aspinall's striking, Gane has navigated before.

No he hasn't

Your love of Jon has you talking all kinds of bs on here

Francis and Lewis are 1 hitter quitters but nothing like Tom in terms of striking. His power is probably slightly less, but also good enough to one shot KO you, but he moves more like Gane than those 2 and is more technical than both

You are being absurd in this thread

 

[Dorkman]

Gane needs this fight to remain standing. And I doubt Tom is going to let that happen. Gane is just not a good grappler.

 

[bean88]

Gane is a point fighting bum. Im
Not even that assed about Tom but Gane getting smoked

 

[mkess101]

You're right.

there is Some hyperbole there.

Aspinall would almost certainly lose to gane if he chose to stand with him for the entire fight.

That i will say with no emotion and with no point to prove.

just remember, Aspinall has never in his entire career faced hitters like lewis, ngannou and tuivasa. Just remember that.

Uhh...yes he has. Pavlovich hits as hard as any HW out there. (We can debate exactly how hard each guy hits, but without question Pavlovich is in that mix. If someone forced me to rank those 4, I'd go Ngannou, then probably Lewis and Pavlovich tied, then Tuivasa--but it's honestly irrelevant because all 4 hit like trucks). And remember--even though it was a short fight, Pav actually did land one okay shot on Tom and he ate it.

 

[JKS]

Never understood why this fight was such a foregone conclusion for Tom to win. And Gane not getting enough respect. Gane is not joke and among the best HWs of the last decade. This will not be easy for Tom.

 

[sdpdude9]

I cant re-call saying this, Im not sure where you've extrapolated this idea from. I never said that at all. Sure one lets you speculate (pretend) that tom would beat jones and ngannou EASIER, However, I watch the actual fight and I think it is very possible for gane to beat francis based on the result of the first fight. he lost that fight by an inch.


For who? You? for me? or for The promoter?

The promoter I can see liking it, But I dont have to subscribe to; or pretend that Aspinall is a super proven champion who has fough the best of the best. I can look at Ganes record and concede that he has fought better fighters, despite having lost.

Really? No idea where that came from? Disagreeing the division would be weaker, talking up Gane and downplaying his losses, and taking not so subtle jabs at Aspinall? You’re not doing any of that? Come on dude, everybody sees what you’re doing.

General consensus except for with you apparently, is the division would appear stronger having a champion that didn’t already lose multiple title fights. It’s really not hard to understand, unless you’ve got a personal stake in it like I suspect you do.

 

[SuperAlly]

And his "defensive responsibility" didn't stop him from getting rocked and dropped from a far slower and worse striker than Aspinall.

Thank you, I also found this contradiction hilarious.

And Francis is my measuring stick, I'll just pretend Tai didn't happen

Gane looks nice striking, especially against slow sloppy brawlers
Jon is LHW GOAT and exploited favourable match ups to a ridiculous extent at HW before running for the hills in terror from Tom
Tom is probably slightly less powerful than Francis or Lewis but is also perhaps the most well rounded heavyweight in years whilst still possessing absurd KO power and ridiculous movement as a HW that roughly matches or perhaps exceeds Ganes own athleticism

All these things can be true

Jones stans don't have to pretend white belt grappling Gane wasn't a lay up for him

 

[SuperAlly]

You're right.

there is Some hyperbole there.

Aspinall would almost certainly lose to gane if he chose to stand with him for the entire fight.

That i will say with no emotion and with no point to prove.

just remember, Aspinall has never in his entire career faced hitters like lewis, ngannou and tuivasa. Just remember that. He might completely crumble if he got touched by any of those 3 you dont know. But we can be certain that Gane can navigate that, Because he has. So i see no reason why he doesn't navigate tom on the feet aswell.

Even certainly is hyper bole

It's completely unproven and more than likely false. At least my opinion allows for some room I am wrong.

Your opinion stated as fact is ridiculous based on available evidence

 

[RockyLockridge]

Really? No idea where that came from? Disagreeing the division would be weaker, talking up Gane and downplaying his losses, and taking not so subtle jabs at Aspinall? You’re not doing any of that? Come on dude, everybody sees what you’re doing.

I really do not have any idea what you are talking about. Disagreeing the division would be weaker is just my opinion, A perspective that I simply dont understand, Who is the champion has little to no baring on how strong the division is, in my eyes.


no i am not taking sublte jabs at Aspinall, I've not said anything like "He absolutely fucking sucks" Like the douchebag in the second post. Gane has been fantastic in most of his ufc fights with his only real blunder being the jones fight. Im not saying tom is bad, but I have more question about tom than I do about Gane.

everything else is in your head. Gane has 2 losses. One of them razor close, the other very bad. I've acknowledged this.


and regarding what "everyone sees me doing" What I see everyone else doing; is forgetting that gane at one point was universally heralded as the future of the division for a reason not very long ago. And acting like he never beat any good fighters like rozenstrikue, Volkov or lewis and gave ngannou all he could handle. I'm not forgetting that. The rest of you are. that's what I see.

 

[SuperAlly]

Never understood why this fight was such a foregone conclusion for Tom to win. And Gane not getting enough respect. Gane is not joke and among the best HWs of the last decade. This will not be easy for Tom.

Pretty much the same reason it was for Jon, a skinny fat HW

Gane is absurdly 1 dimensional

 

[JBJ was here]

No he hasn't

Your love of Jon has you talking all kinds of bs on here

Francis and Lewis are 1 hitter quitters but nothing like Tom in terms of striking. His power is probably slightly less, but also good enough to one shot KO you, but he moves more like Gane than those 2 and is more technical than both

You are being absurd in this thread

Tom literally lands more than three times the number of significant strikes per minute that either Ngannou or Lewis do, with much, much better accuracy. Anyone implying that Tom is a similar striker to Ngannou has never watched MMA even if they happen to have been present when and where a fight was on TV or actually happening. It's no different than saying that Fabricio Werdum and Harry Potter show similar jiu-jitsu skills in the cage.

 

[sdpdude9]

I really do not have any idea what you are talking about. Disagreeing the division would be weaker is just my opinion, A perspective that I simply dont understand, Who is the champion has little to no baring on how strong the division is.


no i am not taking sublte jabs at Aspinall, Gane has been fantastic in most of his ufc fights with his only real blunder being the jones fight. Im not saying tom is bad, but I have more question about tom than I do about Gane.

everything else is in your head. Gane has 2 losses. One of them razor close, the other very bad. I've acknowledged this.

I think you’re arguing with so many people you can’t keep to straight.

Me: The division would be weaker

You: I disagree.

Me: Yeah it would, weird you think it wouldn’t.

You: No idea where you got the idea I thought that.

Me: Because of all these reasons.

You: No idea what you’re talking about.