War Wagon Gane is going to shock the world.

[Prince Nephilim]

He has nothing to lose and everything to…Gane

 

[Doughie99]

I think Tom wins by KO or sub in R1, but if he doesnt....yeah I could see it maybe getting dicey for him.

Aspinall by sub in rd 1 or 2 I think would be the most likely outcome.

 

[snugglecakes]

Gane was outstriking Volkov 146-106

 

[contrail]

Gane is 35, which isn't young for professional athlete injury recovery. My big concern is that while we saw x-rays showing a shattered big toe, I haven't found any information about damage to the ball joint at the end of that toe or what kind of surgery was required to repair the toe. That kind of injury can easily lead to a degenerative joint, bone spurs at the joint, fusion surgery at the joint, or any number of other issues that could limit mobility directly or, through pain, indirectly (front kicks and pivoting with the injured foot, both key for Gane, could also be impaired due to a problematic ball joint). It also could require the kind of adjustments to maintain mobility that you can't properly make until you've actually fought post-injury.

I'm sure Gane had a great surgeon and top-notch PT, but even a small difference in mobility or kicking ability could materially degrade his fighting, and even if Gane's at 100%, Aspinall is a terrible matchup for him.

We'll find out in the first few minutes of the fight re: injury. The rest is an unknown - HW shockers happen all the time.

 

[haj02]

No, he sucks because one legged striker Francis outgrappled him

But it's hard to be coherent with Jon's cock in your mouth I guess

 

[BowserJr]

Gane absolutely fucking sucks, and he's going to lose badly.

He is super 1 dimensional. People point to defending some takedowns in today's grappling thin HW division but Im not sold on that at all.

That being said Tom is all about striking these days despite being from a bjj background.

Its HW so a shock could be in store which would be sad AF.

Tom does sound like he has good fight IQ. Hopefully he does and goes for a quick sub

 

[mkess101]

Its only an upset since Aspinall is the champ, Gane is a way better technical striker. Tom just has a puncher's chance.

Tell us you don't understand the sport without telling us...

 

[RockyLockridge]

I think you’re arguing with so many people you can’t keep to straight.

Me: The division would be weaker

You: I disagree.

Me: Yeah it would, weird you think it wouldn’t.

You: No idea where you got the idea I thought that.

Me: Because of all these reasons.

You: No idea what you’re talking about.

my man, you're reading things I did not say. (sorry for late reply I had a 18 hole of twilight golf)


you said THIS.

I’m actually kind of flabbergasted you think having a champion that lost to the last 2 makes the division appear stronger than one that didn’t.

There is a distinction to be made. I used very deliberate speech. I did not say it would look or appear STRONGER. I specifically made the following statement;

I disagree, it would just make those champs look better. (Jones and Ngannou If I wasn't being clear, This statement does not imply the division would be STRONGER in anyway.)

To think the division would feel weaker (Here, I'd like to believe I'm implying nothing changes) only because tom never fought the best (Jones and Ngannou) is a bit offside for me.

I Did not indicate that it would make the division stronger or weaker. Although did not say this explictly, what I've failed to convey is that It does not make it appear any weaker or stronger. the strength of the division stays the same. With either tom or gane being the number one or two anyway you slice it. Not that it would be weaker, only that it would not change the complexion of the division. I think even ganes biggest detractors would probably agree he's one of the best HWs to be signed to the UFC in the last decade. If toms number one, I think most would agree Gane would be number 2. Almedia 3 (maybe 1/2 we dont know yet)

I did not at any point say that it would be STRONGER with gane as champion and as you can see that is what Im protesting with this following statement

I cant re-call saying this, Im not sure where you've extrapolated this idea from. I never said that at all. (division being stronger with gane victory.)

I hope this helps you better understand where I am coming from. I was never trying to troll you, you're a good poster @sdpdude9

 

[dominion]

He has a puncher's chance that's about it. But he does even punch that hard

 

[Epsteins Guard]

It was 48-47 I recall, which is impressive given the danger ngannou possesses on the feet.

Also, I wouldn't compare ngannou wrestling with Toms', Ngannou has success because of his brute strength.

Tom is an opportunistic explosive wrestler, you don't see him go for single legs, trips etc. I am really skeptical he 'll be able to pin down Gane.

Gane has a 43% TD defense percentage. Volkov, who is literally slower than shit, took him down 3 out of 4 times. Jones took him down 2 out of 2 times. Ngannou took him down 4 out of 5 times. In his last 5 fights, he's been taken down 9 out of 11 times.

Interestingly, Gane has a lot more TD attempts of his own than one would think. He's just fucking awful at that too. For example, he tried to take down Rozenstruik 14 times. He managed to do it twice. His takedown finish rate is 25%.


For comparisons sakes, Tom Aspinall has a 100% TD rate, 100% TD defense rate, and a 100% finish rate.

 

[sdpdude9]

my man, you're reading things I did not say. (sorry for late reply I had a 18 hole of twilight golf)


you said THIS.



There is a distinction to be made. I used very deliberate speech. I did not say it would appear STRONGER. I specifically made the following statement;


I Did not indicate that it would make the division stronger or weaker. Although did not say this explictly, what I've failed to convey is that It does not make it appear any weaker or stronger. the strength of the division stays the same. With either tom or gane being the number one or two anyway you slice it. Not that it would be weaker, only that it would not change the complexion of the division. I think even ganes biggest detractors would probably agree he's one of the best HWs to be signed to the UFC in the last decade. If toms number one, I think most would agree Gane would be number 2. Almedia 3 (maybe 1/2 we dont know yet)

I did not at any point say that it would be STRONGER with gane as champion and as you can see that is what Im protesting with this follwing statement



I hope this helps you better understand where I am coming from. I was never trying to troll you, you're a good poster @sdpdude9

You’re right, you never said stronger. I think I interpreted your statements as having that implication, but it seems it was a misunderstanding.

We disagree on the core issue still, I firmly believe the division would still live in the shadow of Ngannou/Jones with Gane as champion, thus feeling weaker. Having a champion that didn’t lose to either in as also beating Gane like the other 2 did allows the division to move on more cleanly in my eyes, thus seeming stronger.

As always, I enjoy the banter. You’re always good for a fun back and forth. Never any hard feelings.

 

[Chama]

Aspinall’s a human highlight reel, but Gane’s slick footwork and technical game might just steal the show.
Picture Gane dancing around Ngannou’s bombs at UFC 270, landing crisp counters and kicks over five rounds—his heavyweight ballet could make Aspinall chase and test that unproven gas tank.

Tom’s has quick KOs over Pavlovich and Blaydes, plus a slick sub on Volkov , but he’s faced no one with Gane’s finesse. Gane was outstriking Volkov 146-106 and TKO’ing Lewis with surgical precision.

Aspinall’s never seen round 3 in 18 fights , while Gane’s gone 25 minutes against Ngannou and Volkov—can Tom keep up if Gane drags him to deep waters?

Seriously, if Gane avoids the early storm, he might outpoint or even finish a gassed Aspinall.

48-47 Gane, you heard it here first folks.

Lel

 

[RockyLockridge]

You’re right, you never said stronger. I think I interpreted your statements as having that implication, but it seems it was a misunderstanding.

We disagree on the core issue still, I firmly believe the division would still live in the shadow of Ngannou/Jones with Gane as champion.

I get what you mean man, but it's incredibly fleeting; Yes Jones and Ngannou get to ride of with lineal titles, but did The BW or Flyweight division live in Cejudos Shadow? No, They moved on quickly. same with MW and WW after GSP. Woodley was the goat 3 years later and would easily beat gsp(LMAO) I feel it's already moved on from ngannou. Most probably dont favour Jones against the majority of the division either.

 

[sdpdude9]

I get what you mean man, but it's incredibly fleeting; Yes Jones and Ngannou get to ride of with lineal titles, but did The BW or Flyweight division live in Cejudos Shadow? No, They moved on quickly. same with MW and WW after GSP. Woodley was the goat 3 years later and would easily beat gsp(LMAO) I feel it's already moved on from ngannou. Most probably dont favour Jones against the majority of the division either.

There’s a pretty big difference in those examples though. None of the next champions lost to the outgoing champion before, except Hendricks in a highly contentious decision.

I don’t know man, I just think we have not had a strong, exciting line up of champions in a while. And Aspinall has the aura going for him and would even more so beating Gane. I don’t think Gane can carry that same aura given how embarrassingly he lost to the previous champion. And I think once you have a champion people don’t feel like is really the best, the whole division quickly feels stale.

 

[MDoza]

I think Gane is terrible and doesn’t even really want to be a fighter

But he still might beat Aspinall.

 

[MrCoffee]

Why did you post your thought publicly?

 

[BigOlJeet]

Gane is a can and he’s gonna get sent to the shadow realm.

 

[FriskyRandy]

He may lose but that's an absolutely laughable take. Gane is one of the most mobile, defensively-sound HW's we've ever seen lol

On the FEET. He arguably lost his last fight and has been embarrassed twice.
Would you expect the #1 contender to have as poor grappling as he does? He got wrestle fucked by big frank. That's something that's laughable, not my reasonable take which the majority of people on this forum agree with.

 

[JustBleed69]

Aspinall gets hit clean once and then takedowns Gane and subs him

 

[FriskyRandy]

I think he loses. But you absolutely fucking suck. He is a pro fighter. And at Hw. You sound dumb.

Huh? A majority of that division absolutely fucking sucks. Adding that he's a HW in your post makes your point worse, you know that correct?
You fucking suck dinglenuts.