International E Jean Carroll Bests Donald J Trump to the Tune of $83 million

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PainIsLIfe said:
Before you ignore my answer of maybe, you need to realize that there was nothing to put Clinton alone with that woman

And it didn't com back after impeachment; he was impeached over his lying during his deposition in that civil suit.
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Right, it was pre-trial discovery. The case was thrown out before it reached trial, then he was impeached for his comments under oath about Lewinsky. Then the civil suit being thrown out was overturned because he had lied. Its not similar to the Trump case.

I didn't say they could be put together. It's been awhile, but I seem to recall there was someone working security or something that could only confirm that Jones had met Clinton or something along those lines. Like I said, it was a long time ago. But I know it wasn't an allegation of an incident 30 years prior and there was some sort of possible link between them. Not proof it happened, just that they there was a possibility they met beyond simply her own allegation.

And it was still thrown out first and he settled out of court once it was shown he lied about Lewinsky.

I don't dismiss your maybe, I just don't understand it. That level of evidence is either enough for a civil trial or not. Doesn't matter who it is.

But it's interesting you bring up Clinton. Tell me, do you think the conservatives were out to get him and they backed whatever they could to do it? I've always considered it a given that thats what was happening.
 
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PainIsLIfe said:
Just asking for a link - 5th time.

The judge said the dress couldn't prove rape without semen and Trump had refused dna. So the judge tossed the dress as a compromise.
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No. Trump offered his DNA, but he judge had an election timeline to keep to hurt Trump, so he refused it. He also refused it because it was learned the dress was not manufactured at the time E. Jean Carroll alleged the assault. She made this shit up by any reasonable standard, but the jury didn't get to hear it.
 
Whippy McGee said:
No. Trump offered his DNA, but he judge had an election timeline to keep to hurt Trump, so he refused it. He also refused it because it was learned the dress was not manufactured at the time E. Jean Carroll alleged the assault. She made this shit up by any reasonable standard, but the jury didn't get to hear it.
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This is a lie.

Trump offered his DNA 3 months after the submission deadline.

And you know this, because I have literally posted it in response to you lying about this before lol.
 
Can anyone shed any light on who "Deleted member 585708" was? The guy who made this thread? And under what circumstance they're no longer with us?
 
Bob Gray said:
Right, it was pre-trial discovery. The case was thrown out before it reached trial, then he was impeached for his comments under oath about Lewinsky. Then the civil suit being thrown out was overturned because he had lied. Its not similar to the Trump case.

I didn't say they could be put together. It's been awhile, but I seem to recall there was someone working security or something that could only confirm that Jones had met Clinton or something along those lines. Like I said, it was a long time ago. But I know it wasn't an allegation of an incident 30 years prior and there was some sort of possible link between them. Not proof it happened, just that they there was a possibility they met beyond simply her own allegation.

And it was still thrown out first and he settled out of court once it was shown he lied about Lewinsky.

I don't dismiss your maybe, I just don't understand it. That level of evidence is either enough for a civil trial or not. Doesn't matter who it is.

But it's interesting you bring up Clinton. Tell me, do you think the conservatives were out to get him and they backed whatever they could to do it? I've always considered it a given that thats what was happening.
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The maybe is because it depends on how much corroboration is attached to the claim.

In Trump's case you had the Access Hollywood tape, you had another woman he assaulted on a plane (showing a pattern of behavior), and you had witnesses to verify that she told them at the time it happened. I think that is enough for a civil trial - not necessarily a conviction.

The assault allegation against Clinton was legit, the impeachment was Rs out to get him, but it was a turning point in politics - up to that point a sex scandal would typically cause a politician to resign.
 
Whippy McGee said:
No. Trump offered his DNA, but he judge had an election timeline to keep to hurt Trump, so he refused it. He also refused it because it was learned the dress was not manufactured at the time E. Jean Carroll alleged the assault. She made this shit up by any reasonable standard, but the jury didn't get to hear it.
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Again, no link?

I can link the original filing that says late fall or early spring a nd you just keep repeating something without any source.
 
Whippy McGee said:
No. Trump offered his DNA,
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you conveniently keep leaving out the fact that the mandarin molester spent nearly 4 years refusing to provide a dna sample upon each and every single request during discovery until the clock had already ran out and it was only a few weeks before his trial and he was desperate to try to delay it by any means

yeah despite spending nearly 4 years refusing to turn over a dna sample, he was totally going to submit it any day now, but just not today. he's been busy throughout the better part of the last decade working on his brand new health care plan and preparing to release obama's real birth certificate. he never had the time to take a simple dna swab until his trial date was just around the corner. he wanted to provide a dna sample before he booked his plane tickets and fled the country to avoid his own civil trial (like any innocent person understandably would) but that crooked deep state judge just wouldn't let him!

oh what a victim he is! the courts wronged him! he totally was going to provide a dna sample but just like how he said outside of the courtroom in front of the tv cameras that he was going to testify in his criminal fraud trial, the courts never even gave the poor guy a chance! it's so unfair!

zesto molesto was just talking poppycock. clearly he had no actual intentions of ever providing a sample after spending 4 years doing everything he could just to avoid doing so.

sounds like something that any innocent person would do if they wanted to quickly clear their names and move on with their lives. but you know what they say, it's better to be known as a rapist than a bad golfer.
 
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Just in: Trump's appeal, DENIED.

abcnews.go.com

Appeals court rejects Trump's attempt to overturn E. Jean Carroll verdict

An appeals court has rejected Donald Trump's attempt to overturn a jury's verdict last year that found he sexually abused writer E. Jean Carroll in the mid-1990s.
abcnews.go.com abcnews.go.com

Merry Christmas, ladies. Where are the chuds who told me all the cases against him would disappear upon appeal?
 
Fergelmince said:
Are you claiming Trump never offered to provide DNA, or that the Judge didn't reject it?
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lol Trump's appeal is what got rejected. Speaking of getting rejected, that must be why he assaulted Ms. Carrol.
 
Bob Gray said:
This is always what happens. If I ask someone to actually present compelling evidence put forth in the trial, they point to anything else they can other than evidence presented in the trial.

Put it another way. My argument is the jury got it wrong this time. It happens. We both know it does. So simply referencing the verdict isn't actually an argument that the verdict is sound.

The best way to defeat the argument I have, that the jury got it wrong and the evidence provided in the trial was incredibly poor, is to show how the evidence that Trump raped Carrol 30 years ago was strong. You can't do that, that's why you don't.
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Speaking of evidence, the lawyer that Trump used to defend himself had to be told by the judge how to enter evidence. Alina was even given a recess so she could brush up on how to enter evidence, and she still fucked it up. The judge had to walk her through the process.
Only hires the best.
 
Fergelmince said:
Are you claiming Trump never offered to provide DNA, or that the Judge didn't reject it?
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Did Trump finally offer DNA 4 months after the deadline for evidence was supposed to be given and only after he had spent 3+ years fighting doing it and after Carroll 's team had said there was no semen in the DNA sample?

Yes.


Did the judge reject his late offer along with the dress since it did not contain semen and had little evidentiary value?

Yes.
 
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