Economy Donald trump to impose Tariffs feb.1st.

[Strychnine]

That's not what the NY Times, President of Mexico, or our leadership s saying. That is not what our Border Control has witnessed on their side of the border pre-Trump. You can believe all the bullshit Left Cult propaganda you want. I'll stick with reality.

Just because someone's "reality" means that they see the sky as purple with green polka dots as clouds, doesn't mean that it's correct.

You do you bud, peace.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

"So lets recap:

- Trump announces tariffs.
- Allies turn against the U.S., launch boycotts on U.S. products and boo us at events.
- Markets nosedive.
- Trump caves.

The "deals":
- Mexico agrees to do the same things they always do at the border to help the U.S. (including under Biden)—but ALSO get Trump to agree to work to stop weapons trafficking from the U.S.-Mexico.
- Trudeau agrees to do the same things they always do to help the U.S., but also says he'll name a 'fentanyl czar' (despite the fact that barely any fentanyl at all comes from Canada to the U.S.)"

Boy got folded.

cucked again by the canadian chad

 

[Strychnine]

See what you did there?

You said calling a man a woman, even though he's a man, is "the correct pronoun". So calling him a man, which is what he is would be incorrect right? That's what I'm talking about, you're playing that same game and I'm the impolite asshole for simply acknowledging reality right?

Yeah, go fuck yourself, for a moment there I thought you were trying to have an honest conversation.

TAKE THIS CONVERSATION TO THE TRANSGENDER THREAD PLEASE, SO AS NOT TO DERAIL THIS ONE. THANK YOU.

 

[mkess101]

It looks like you’re the new “no matter what you say bad about Trump it doesn’t matter” poster here.

Used to be me.

Man...it's just hilarious in some ways. Sad in others. And it's not like I've made it some secret. I lean right on plenty of issues, and left on some others. I cannot stand Trump, but also think the Dems are completely out of touch.

It's like conversations one would have with a child that has a very strong view but simply cannot fathom someone not seeing the world exactly as they do. If you don't 100% agree with every aspect of their stance, they stomp their feet and act like you pissed in their cereal. I imagine trying to interact with an adult like this irl and just laugh.

 

[Islam Imamate]

"We all know" and " others can judge". Talk about concession via empty response LOL, sheesh.

Do you want me to link one such example? Here's one where you twist my wording of "partially" to "wholly" thinking I wouldn't catch it. Since @Rob Battisti liked your post I'll link one of his examples here where he blatantly misrepresents my views on zoning.

Perhaps, I willing to see what happens before making my judgment

But how exactly are these tariffs going to rejuvenate the economy? And why not the same charitability towards H1B1? Why not wait to see what happens with how an expansion of H1B visas work out?

Not the companies that are bloated with investment. But that's a conversation for another time. It's more an argument of principal anyways. If you expect Americans to be loyal to their country, then the oligarchs must at least remain loyal to Americans.

Loyal how?

Yeah, your norms. It clearly hasn't felt normal for many Americans, which is why a populist has been elected twice now

Well one of those norms is respecting the peaceful transfer of power which I guess you don't really care for since you voted for Trump. So fair enough, shouldn't assume all Americans care about democracy.

 

[BFoe]

I'd start with reminding people what happened to a lot of 401k's when the GFC hit. And then explain why blanket tariffs can lead to recessions that drive the stock market (and those 401k's) into the dirt. That resonates more imo than "You're 6 pack of Corona is going up a buck". Especially now that the country kinda has Munchausen syndrome when it comes to inflation.

It's obviously not gonna resonate with everyone, and maybe my perspective is just that much different. But seeing my 401k drop 30 or 40 percent scares me a helluva lot more than paying an extra 2 bucks for an entree at a restaurant. And my time horizon still isn't imminent with my retirement $. How many people in their 50's and 60's with short windows still have exposure to the markets in their retirement funds, pensions, etc? A shit ton. If this shit moves forward and these big gains of the past couple years start getting wiped out...THAT is where Dems could say "Well look at this...the tariffs put us in a recession and now your portfolio doesn't look so great does it?"

Well to your last point, sure, we can try and point out the wreckage after it’s happened. But it’d be ideal to persuade people beforehand. It’s kind of bizarre to me that inflation/high prices can supposedly be the #1 issue of the election, but when we point out something Trump is doing that will make that worse it’s somehow seen as bad messaging.

I don’t know if talking about 401(k) would be better or not. I think Trump has such a bizarre hold on people that they’re like Fox Mulder with a poster of Trump that says “I WANT TO BELIEVE.” They won’t see it until it’s too late.

 

[mkess101]

Do you want me to link one such example? Here's one where you twist my wording of "partially" to "wholly" thinking I wouldn't catch it. Since @Rob Battisti liked your post I'll link one of his examples here where he blatantly misrepresents my views on zoning.

But how exactly are these tariffs going to rejuvenate the economy? And why not the same charitability towards H1B1? Why not wait to see what happens with how an expansion of H1B visas work out?

Loyal how?

Well one of those norms is respecting the peaceful transfer of power which I guess you don't really care for since you voted for Trump. So fair enough, shouldn't assume all Americans care about democracy.

You stated it in a different post in that thread. And if that's your example of "lying"...yikes dude.

 

[mkess101]

Well to your last point, sure, we can try and point out the wreckage after it’s happened. But it’d be ideal to persuade people beforehand. It’s kind of bizarre to me that inflation/high prices can supposedly be the #1 issue of the election, but when we point out something Trump is doing that will make that worse it’s somehow seen as bad messaging.

I don’t know if talking about 401(k) would be better or not. I think Trump has such a bizarre hold on people that they’re like Fox Mulder with a poster of Trump that says “I WANT TO BELIEVE.” They won’t see it until it’s too late.

I think that's true of his base. Not of the swing voters that seemed to do a 180 this time around. Abortion rights were and generic "Trump is dangerous" took center stage. Explaining how tariffs would likely lead to a recession that would tank a lot of 401k's isn’t something I heard even one time.

 

[Islam Imamate]

You stated it in a different post in that thread. And if that's your example of "lying"...yikes dude.

Like I said others can go read it for themselves and make their own determination but if you're going to be cheeky and act like I was making some concession I'm going to feel the need to pull up the record.

 

[AWilder]

You guys are so fucking out of touch. You can't even comprehend that someone could have disdain for both political parties. And you're telling ME to touch grass.

I can't even make this stuff up.

No, the Dems can't be disconnected, allowing a narcissistic felon to trounce them. It's not possible!

Does living in reality scare you? Is that the problem?

you guys? i'm one person. Talk about being out of touch and divorced from reality.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Well to your last point, sure, we can try and point out the wreckage after it’s happened. But it’d be ideal to persuade people beforehand. It’s kind of bizarre to me that inflation/high prices can supposedly be the #1 issue of the election, but when we point out something Trump is doing that will make that worse it’s somehow seen as bad messaging.

I don’t know if talking about 401(k) would be better or not. I think Trump has such a bizarre hold on people that they’re like Fox Mulder with a poster of Trump that says “I WANT TO BELIEVE.” They won’t see it until it’s too late.

The centrists, and especially that guy in particular, will always move the goalposts to justify their "both sides" framing of everything.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

 

[Cajun]

@Cajun on your behalf, if I may,

No idea what this is haha

 

[Islam Imamate]

you guys? i'm one person. Talk about being out of touch and divorced from reality.

Its funny to see how the "centrists" assume anyone who disagrees with them or Trump must be a leftist or a Democrat partisan. The Democratic party in my state is dogshit so I'd sooner vote GOP for state legislature than Dem but since I criticize Trump and the "both sides" approach centrist programming leads them to believe I'm a Democrat operative.

They can't wrap their head around the idea that people who have agreement and disagreement with both parties can take umbrage with the lazy "both sides" approach of the faux-centrists.

 

[mkess101]

Its funny to see how the "centrists" assume anyone who disagrees with them or Trump must be a leftist or a Democrat partisan. The Democratic party in my state is dogshit so I'd sooner vote GOP for state legislature than Dem but since I criticize Trump and the "both sides" approach centrist programming leads them to believe I'm a Democrat operative.

They can't wrap their head around the idea that people who have agreement and disagreement with both parties can take umbrage with the lazy "both sides" approach of the faux-centrists.

Garbage word salad.

Like I said, i have numerous posts itt and in at least one other (maybe more) from the weekend where I criticize ONLY Trump. And you and Wilder, like bloodhounds LMAO...immediately chime in the second I post anything about the Dems. But yeah, continue your fantasy and pretend it's not transparent.

 

[AWilder]

Its funny to see how the "centrists" assume anyone who disagrees with them or Trump must be a leftist or a Democrat partisan. The Democratic party in my state is dogshit so I'd sooner vote GOP for state legislature than Dem but since I criticize Trump and the "both sides" approach centrist programming leads them to believe I'm a Democrat operative.

They can't wrap their head around the idea that people who have agreement and disagreement with both parties can take umbrage with the lazy "both sides" approach of the faux-centrists.

It's just amazing to watch someone say "Trump is bad and i disagree with his policy... Buuuuut I blame democrats for not telling me trump is bad and has bad policy."

 

[sickc0d3r]

Yeah, and I picked Newsweek for you, bud.

"In a report by the Migration Policy Institute (MPI) think tank, which assessed the agreement, the White House reported that while 25,000 troops in a "new national guard" were created since the tariff agreement, 10,000 were positioned along the southern border of Mexico to Guatemala.

These figures were taken from a (since-deleted) 2019 White House press briefing.

An archived copy, quoting former Acting Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection Mark Morgan, stated: "In addition, since June, Mexico has deployed thousands of troops.

"They've created a new national guard within their country: 10,000 troops to the southern border; 15,000 troops to the northern border with the United States. Again, unprecedented support and cooperation with the government of Mexico."

Fact Check: Did Donald Trump get 28,000 Mexican soldiers to police border?

Former president Donald Trump alleged he had threatened the Mexican government with tariffs to secure the troops.

www.newsweek.com

Pres. Sheinbaum is doing the same thing but with more with troops with Trump as Mexico did with Biden PLUS she got Trump to bend the knee and go AGAINST the NRA and STOP the flow of guns into Mexico.

Congratulations.

You can applaud as you can PLAINLY see that Trump hasn't got a clue. But hey, those tariffs are gonna kick in any minute now, right??!

He stirs shit up for the attention, knowing people will loudly (and rightly) criticize him. Then he settles for whatever he can get before it blows up in his face, and sells it as a genius deal. His rabid supporters run around spiking the football, the cycle continues. Though it's not without some damage, as we keep alienating friendly countries.

This goes to the point, though, that this kind of populist approach is working more than anything any democrat is doing right now. It's not close. And the more people react to his show, the easier it is for him.

 

[Islam Imamate]

It's just amazing to watch someone say "Trump is bad and i disagree with his policy... Buuuuut I blame democrats for not telling me trump is bad and has bad policy."

Its like a child who wants to eat a bucket of ice cream and the parent tells them they'll get a tummy ache later and when the child still does it and ends up with the tummy ache they blame the parent for not stopping them.

 

[idrankyourbeer]

Yeah, and I picked Newsweek for you, bud.

"In a report by the Migration Policy Institute (MPI) think tank, which assessed the agreement, the White House reported that while 25,000 troops in a "new national guard" were created since the tariff agreement, 10,000 were positioned along the southern border of Mexico to Guatemala.

These figures were taken from a (since-deleted) 2019 White House press briefing.

An archived copy, quoting former Acting Commissioner of Customs and Border Protection Mark Morgan, stated: "In addition, since June, Mexico has deployed thousands of troops.

"They've created a new national guard within their country: 10,000 troops to the southern border; 15,000 troops to the northern border with the United States. Again, unprecedented support and cooperation with the government of Mexico."

Fact Check: Did Donald Trump get 28,000 Mexican soldiers to police border?

Former president Donald Trump alleged he had threatened the Mexican government with tariffs to secure the troops.

www.newsweek.com

Pres. Sheinbaum is doing the same thing but with more with troops with Trump as Mexico did with Biden PLUS she got Trump to bend the knee and go AGAINST the NRA and STOP the flow of guns into Mexico.

Congratulations.

isn't that what sheinbaum and president biden already agreed on months ago?

 

[Darkballs]

If Trump keeps tucking his dick this hard we've got to start considering him pro-trans.