Do you get a flu shot?

[faustian]

Screw fancy medicine. I just pray for health and Jesus keeps the flu away.

 

[TeTe]

I haven't had one for about 15 years and any time I get sick it goes through me in literally a day. It never even fucks with me that bad. I get super mild symptoms and they never last longer than a day.

Everyone in my family will get crazy sick as it passes between them and no one is ever surprised that I either don't get sick at all or it just barely affects me.

The best defense again getting sick and/or staying sick is being in great shape.

I'm guessing that's the case with you?

 

[TeTe]

Screw fancy medicine. I just pray for health and Jesus keeps the flu away.

Yous one of dat dem dere Christian Scientists aren't ya?

 

[Fat Abbot]

I haven't had one for about 15 years and any time I get sick it goes through me in literally a day. It never even fucks with me that bad. I get super mild symptoms and they never last longer than a day.

Same story for me. I rarely ever get sick.

 

[CC's left foot]

And has done so without antibiotics, cardiovascular meds, cancer meds etc...yet we have them know and they help us continue to thrive as a species. Or just be ignorant and refuse to get one on those grounds.

Yeah, not taking a vaccination of questionable efficacy for a sickness that has a statistically zero chance of doing long term harm to me is "ignorant".

Sure, Mac.

 

[JonesBones]

Yeah, not taking a vaccination of questionable efficacy for a sickness that has a statistically zero chance of doing long term harm to me is "ignorant".

Sure, Mac.

Zero chance? Where did you get that number from?

We survived thousands of years without modern science. Surely we can get by without it.

 

[Real_Magi]

The best defense again getting sick and/or staying sick is being in great shape.

I'm guessing that's the case with you?

Normally yes, I hit the gym and do enough physical activity with sports and such that I'm normally in good shape, but the past couple of months I've had to devote more time to my career and haven't been nearly as physically active as I normally would be.

I'm still in good shape as far as body composition goes, but my cardio isn't where it should be.

Zero chance? Where did you get that number from?

If the flu does have the potential to do long term damage, you are willingly exposing yourself to it and taking that risk every time you get a flu vaccine.

 

[Da Speeit]

I get the spray

 

[satchmo]

Antibiotics are not good and get rid of your body's natural biotics that keep you healthy. They are necessary sometimes but make no mistake, they are not good for you. People who are exposed to antibiotics for extended periods of time severely weaken their ability to fight illnesses.

Cancer treatments also reduce the person's ability to fight illness. Someone who is going through chemo and radiation can not get sick at any cost because their immune system is non existent.

I'm not saying that either of those are unnecessary, because sometimes they are the lesser of two evils, but I will say that it is in the medical industry's best interest to treat people for illnesses rather than cure them.

You are seriously hurting my head if you only think we are better off without the advances of modern medicine.

 

[Stranger Come Knocking]

And has done so without antibiotics, cardiovascular meds, cancer meds etc...yet we have them know and they help us continue to thrive as a species. Or just be ignorant and refuse to get one on those grounds.

Well that depends on how you define "thriving as a species." Its a grey area. Yes it helps people live longer and all that shit. It also allows the weak to survive and pass on their weak genes and so on and so forth.

On one hand I can say that it would be better if all those weak fucks just took one for the team to cull this herd we call the human race. On the other hand what if one of those people is someone you love?

 

[JonesBones]

Normally yes, I hit the gym and do enough physical activity with sports and such that I'm normally in good shape, but the past couple of months I've had to devote more time to my career and haven't been nearly as physically active as I normally would be.

I'm still in good shape as far as body composition goes, but my cardio isn't where it should be.



If the flu does have the potential to do long term damage, you are willingly exposing yourself to it and taking that risk every time you get a flu vaccine.

It's a dead virus or weakened virus.

Here are 10 common myths about the flu.

You can catch the flu from the vaccine.

The vaccine is made from an inactivated virus that can't transmit infection. So people who get sick after receiving a flu vaccination were going to get sick anyway. It takes a week or two to get protection from the vaccine. But people assume that because they got sick after getting the vaccine, the shot caused their illness.

http://www.health.harvard.edu/flu-resource-center/10-flu-myths.htm

Can the nasal spray flu vaccine give you the flu?

Unlike the flu shot, the nasal spray flu vaccine does contain live viruses. However, the viruses are attenuated (weakened) and cannot cause flu illness.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/nasalspray.htm

Can the flu shot give me the flu?

No, a flu shot cannot cause flu illness. The viruses contained in flu shots are inactivated (killed), which means they cannot cause infection. Flu vaccine manufacturers kill the viruses used in the flu shot during the process of making vaccine, and batches of flu vaccine are tested to make sure they are safe. In randomized, blinded studies, where some people got flu shots and others got saltwater shots, the only differences in symptoms was increased soreness in the arm and redness at the injection site among people who got the flu shot. There were no differences in terms of body aches, fever, cough, runny nose or sore throat.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/flushot.htm

 

[Real_Magi]

You are seriously hurting my head if you only think we are better off without the advances of modern medicine.

You are hurting your own head by jumping to conclusions and putting words in my mouth. Everything I stated that you quoted was factual and I never said that we are better off without modern medicine.

 

[satchmo]

Yeah, not taking a vaccination of questionable efficacy for a sickness that has a statistically zero chance of doing long term harm to me is "ignorant".

Sure, Mac.

Show me questionable efficacy. Level of effectiveness can vary year to year, but it will reduce your chance of getting the flu or the severity of the illness vs. not getting it. It's a little thing called evidence-based medicine.

Many people are hospitalized or die every year from complications of the flu. While a young, healthy adult has a very low risk of those complications, think of the people around you. Any young ones? Old ones? Sickly ones? These are the people you should be worried about. If not for your sake, for theirs.

 

[JonesBones]

You are seriously hurting my head if you only think we are better off without the advances of modern medicine.

The amount of anti-science luddites on this site, and in the world, is frightening.

 

[Real_Magi]

Well that depends on how you define "thriving as a species." Its a grey area. Yes it helps people live longer and all that shit. It also allows the weak to survive and pass on their weak genes and so on and so forth.

On one hand I can say that it would be better if all those weak fucks just took one for the team to cull this herd we call the human race. On the other hand what if one of those people is someone you love?

Or someone with a brilliant mind.

 

[satchmo]

You are hurting your own head by jumping to conclusions and putting words in my mouth. Everything I stated that you quoted was factual and I never said that we are better off without modern medicine.

I was being somewhat facetious in response to the guy who said "humanity survived all these years without it", so I listed just a few benefits of modern medicine. If you would like, I can list some different ones and you can attempt to refute those?

 

[Real_Magi]

I was being somewhat facetious in response to the guy who said "humanity survived all these years without it", so I listed just a few benefits of modern medicine. If you would like, I can list some different ones and you can attempt to refute those?

Aw I see.

No that's fine, I was simply pointing out how concern and forethought should be applied in all situations in life, rather than just trusting the local nurse and jumping in blindly. Your comment actually had me somewhat confused because I did conclude that severe and even damaging treatment is necessary at times -- essentially I wasn't "anti modern medicine", but rather, anti ignorance.

I have broke quite a few bones through out my life and it's a damn good thing we have modern medicine because the compound fracture I had in my leg most certainly would have killed me, never mind the shattered nasal cavity and multiple fractures in my face/skull.

I'm very thankful for modern medicine, but some things are simply better if you treat them on your own. For example, a yeast infection is very easily cured by avoiding sweets, eating yogurt, and drinking unsweetened cranberry juice. Interestingly enough, the probiotics in yogurt really help to cure the yeast infection, where the doctor would prescribe antibiotics. In my opinion the natural method is better in this situation because you're not weakening your immune system and you're not spending a ton of money.

Also, a paranoid person that is constantly washing their hands and getting flu vaccines will probably wonder why they still continue to get sick, where someone who never washes their hands will have a far stronger immune system and not only get sick far fewer times through out their life, but also be able to deal with the sickness more effectively when they do get sick.

 

[Siderealmotion]

Also, a paranoid person that is constantly washing their hands and getting flu vaccines will probably wonder why they still continue to get sick, where someone who never washes their hands will have a far stronger immune system and not only get sick far fewer times through out their life, but also be able to deal with the sickness more effectively when they do get sick.

Somehow, I don't think the numbers would bear that out. Countries with high vaccination rates and good hygiene have orders of magnitude less disease than countries with low vaccination rates and poor hygiene.

 

[JonesBones]

Somehow, I don't think the numbers would bear that out. Countries with high vaccination rates and good hygiene have orders of magnitude less disease than countries with low vaccination rates and poor hygiene.

He contradicts himself because he made an argument against flu shots by saying it exposes the body to pathogens, but then in another post he says washing your hands is often bad because you need to strengthen your immune system by exposing it to germs. Which is exactly what the flu shot does.

 

[Slade]

I had my tonsils taken out in 7th grade and haven't been sick (minus alcohol related sickness) since. I'm practically invincible.