Do you get a flu shot?

[Tremendous]

I haven't gotten the flu since I stopped getting vaccinated about three years ago.

 

[Strikes Again]

I'm required to get one by virtue of being in the Army National Guard. I hate getting them, most years I still get really sick despite the shot.

It's not despite, its because.

 

[CaptEvilSpirit]

I just got over the worst flu of my life. Lost twenty one pounds. had to go to the ER twice for a bag of saline

this time around I'm taking the shot

 

[JonesBones]

It's not despite, its because.

Proof?

 

[Real_Magi]

He contradicts himself because he made an argument against flu shots by saying it exposes the body to pathogens,

LOL you guys... I never once made an argument against it. Show me the quote where you think I did. You guys argue like children in the sense that you make shit up rather than bringing up valid points. And you're one of the worst. You do it in just about every thread really. I guess I should be used to it, this is Sherdog after all.

 

[JonesBones]

LOL you guys... I never once made an argument against it. Show me the quote where you think I did. You guys argue like children in the sense that you make shit up rather than bringing up valid points. And you're one of the worst. You do it in just about every thread really. I guess I should be used to it, this is Sherdog after all.

You said:

If the flu does have the potential to do long term damage, you are willingly exposing yourself to it and taking that risk every time you get a flu vaccine.

So why should we risk exposing ourselves to other pathogens by not washing our hands? You say its ok to expose yourself to pathogens to build up immunity in one case, but not another.

 

[Real_Magi]

It's a dead virus or weakened virus.



http://www.health.harvard.edu/flu-resource-center/10-flu-myths.htm



http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/nasalspray.htm



http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/flushot.htm

Hell I didn't even notice this post before.

Despite everything you posted, it is out right medical fact that a flu vaccine can cause flu symptoms and in rare cases even death.

http://www.vaxa.com/flu-shot-side-effects.cfm

 

[Da Speeit]

I've actually gotten the flu twice, once as a small child and the first time in my adult life was the year i was not vaccinated.
Terrible.

 

[JonesBones]

Hell I didn't even notice this post before.

Despite everything you posted, it is out right medical fact that a flu vaccine can cause flu symptoms and in rare cases even death.

http://www.vaxa.com/flu-shot-side-effects.cfm

You realize that every food and drug on the market can cause similar side effects and death, right?

 

[Josh]

I can assure you thats not how the works. The immune system is perfectly capable to launching multiple responses, and in any case the flu vaccine is systemic, while the virus you encounter is the wild is encountered in the respiratory system.

The flu vaccine is helpful, but it's no magic bullet. Sometimes the strains don't match, sometimes the patient's response is not good (especially in older people), and sometimes people have mild flu systems from the immune response to the vaccine. Thats why we keep doing research to make a better one. But that doesn't mean it's useless. When H1N1 came through in 2008 alot of people I know were very, very sick. Severe influenza is no joke, especially if you have pre-existing illnesses. If you're seeing your doctor anyway or it's offered through work, I would absolutely recommend getting the shot. As for the sentiment that "I just work on having a healthy immune system", well the 1918 Spanish Influenza pandemic didn't kill ~50 million people because they didn't eat enough fruits and vegetables. Season influenza isn't going to do that, but the moral of the story is influenza isn't just a common cold.

The two parts I've put in bold seem to contradict each other in the context of this discussion. I stated that the vaccination requires an immune response to be effective, and the immune system has finite capabilities. You said, no, that's not correct, the immune system can handle it. Then you go on to say that sometimes the immune system cannot handle it. Can you please clarify?

 

[Real_Magi]

You said:



So why should we risk exposing ourselves to other pathogens by not washing our hands? You say its ok to expose yourself to pathogens to build up immunity in one case, but not another.

HAHAHAH!! Where in that quote do I say anything against exposing yourself to pathogens? I'm actually asking you a question in that quote and it was in response to you responding to another poster. Regardless, I have never in this thread stated that exposing yourself to pathogens is bad and you just proved that by posting that quote.

You realize that every food and drug on the market can cause similar side effects and death, right?

ok...

 

[Strikes Again]

Proof?

Me. I tested it. I'm the source. I got flu shots till I was 16 and ALWAYs got sick. @ 31 years old I've probably got an illness with flu like symptoms 4-5 times at most. When I do get it sick it lasts for 48 hours or less.
The flu shot is supposed to build your anti bodies by exposing you to the virus. That's retarded. How many different strands of an illness are there out there? How many types are in the "vaccine"? Eat right take, your multis don't disinfect everything in your house and your body will combat any illness on its own.
I'm not saying all vaccines are bogus but the flu shot is a money grab that makes everyone involved money except for you.
Of course you will get the flu when you pump a needle full of multiple viruses directly into your blood stream.

 

[JonesBones]

HAHAHAH!! Where in that quote do I say anything against exposing yourself to pathogens? I'm actually asking you a question in that quote and it was in response to you responding to another poster. Regardless, I have never in this thread stated that exposing yourself to pathogens is bad and you just proved that by posting that quote.



ok...

Then why did you advise against hand washing, but keep trying to fear monger about flu shots being an exposure to the flu?

You know that you could walk into a supermarket pick up any fruit or vegetable, or any kind of food, eat it, and dead be within 5 minutes right? For the same reason people rarely die from flu shot. From anaphylaxis. There is not a product in existence that won't cause anaphylaxis in some people.

 

[Real_Magi]

Me. I tested it. I'm the source. I got flu shots till I was 16 and ALWAYs got sick. @ 31 years old I've probably got an illness with flu like symptoms 4-5 times at most. When I do get it sick it lasts for 48 hours or less.
The flu shot is supposed to build your anti bodies by exposing you to the virus. That's retarded. How many different strands of an illness are there out there? How many types are in the "vaccine"? Eat right take, your multis don't disinfect everything in your house and your body will combat any illness on its own.
I'm not saying all vaccines are bogus but the flu shot is a money grab that makes everyone involved money except for you.
Of course you will get the flu when you pump a needle full of multiple viruses directly into your blood stream.

BonesJones's response, "Oh ok, so eating cookies and milk is going to end poverty in the middle east. That's what you're telling me right now."

Then why did you advise against hand washing, but keep trying to fear monger about flu shots being an exposure to the flu?

... If fear mongering is talking about how antibiotics weaken your body's ability to combat infections (which is a medical fact), then I guess I'm guilty? lol...

What are you even arguing right now?

 

[JonesBones]

Me. I tested it. I'm the source. I got flu shots till I was 16 and ALWAYs got sick. @ 31 years old I've probably got an illness with flu like symptoms 4-5 times at most. When I do get it sick it lasts for 48 hours or less.
The flu shot is supposed to build your anti bodies by exposing you to the virus. That's retarded. How many different strands of an illness are there out there? How many types are in the "vaccine"? Eat right take, your multis don't disinfect everything in your house and your body will combat any illness on its own.
I'm not saying all vaccines are bogus but the flu shot is a money grab that makes everyone involved money except for you.
Of course you will get the flu when you pump a needle full of multiple viruses directly into your blood stream.

Anecdotes aren't proof.

The vaccine contains a few strains that are supposed to be most common in the population that year. It isn't "retarded".

 

[JonesBones]

BonesJones's response, "Oh ok, so eating cookies and milk is going to end poverty in the middle east. That's what you're telling me right now."



... If fear mongering is talking about how antibiotics weaken your body's ability to combat infections (which is a medical fact), then I guess I'm guilty? lol...

What are you even arguing right now?

You keep on trying to make flu shots look dangerous, even deadly. Why? What is your motive? And why are saying things like you will get sick less if you don't wash your hands and avoid vaccines? Those are the two main fucking preventive ways to avoid sickness for christs sake.

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

No. Let my body handle it.

 

[Real_Magi]

You keep on trying to make flu shots look dangerous, even deadly. Why? What is your motive?

Actually I only stated that they can be dangerous/deadly one time, that's right, one time, and that is an out right medical fact. You can't deny that, you won't, you will continue to argue with the wind. I only brought that up in response to you saying that you can't get sick from a vaccine. I was simply pointing out that you can get symptoms, or even die from a vaccine.

And why are saying things like you will get sick less if you don't wash your hands and avoid vaccines? Those are the two main fucking preventive ways to avoid sickness for christs sake.

Washing your hands excessively exposes your body to less pathogens and allows the immune system to weaken because of under exposure. Once again, that's a medical fact, and I know you won't deny it, because you're just barely smart enough to refrain from denying fact, but just stupid enough to make up bullshit in order to argue... against nothing? I'm actually not sure why I even respond to you. You never make any sort of point, you just kind of talk in circles, and when you are out right proven wrong, like the top of this page, you just continue to speak in circles.

 

[JonesBones]

And Strikes Again, you said taking multis and the foods you eat are prevention against sickness. No, they aren't. Vitamin C, Vitamin D, and many other vitamins and minerals have been claimed to prevent sickness/fight of colds/flus for a long time. But it all turned out to be bunk. That's why they sell this homeopathic garbage like Airborne that contains these vitamins and minerals have to come with a label that says "these claims haven't been approved by the FDA". Because they aren't actually backed by any science.

 

[Joe_Armstrong]

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