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Do you get a flu shot?

Real_Magi said:
Actually I only stated that they can be dangerous/deadly one time, that's right, one time, and that is an out right medical fact. You can't deny that, you won't, you will continue to argue with the wind. I only brought that up in response to you saying that you can't get sick from a vaccine. I was simply pointing out that you can get symptoms, or even die from a vaccine.




Washing your hands excessively exposes your body to less pathogens and allows the immune system to weaken because of under exposure. Once again, that's a medical fact, and I know you won't deny it, because you're just barely smart enough to refrain from denying fact, but just stupid enough to make up bullshit in order to argue... against nothing? I'm actually not sure why I even respond to you. You never make any sort of point, you just kind of talk in circles, and when you are out right proven wrong, like the top of this page, you just continue to speak in circles.
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You said it here:

you are willingly exposing yourself to it and taking that risk every time you get a flu vaccine.
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and here:

it is out right medical fact that a flu vaccine can cause flu symptoms and in rare cases even death.
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You are fear mongering against safe and effective medical procedures.

You can get sick and die from bananas too. You are about as likely to die from eating eggs as you are a flu shot.

Washing your hands also keeps pathogens off of you and is one of the most recommended prevention techniques by health professionals.

Again, you were concerned about the flu shot because it exposed you to the flu pathogen but are suggesting handwashing is bad because it doesn't expose you to pathogens.
 
Real_Magi said:
Washing your hands excessively exposes your body to less pathogens and allows the immune system to weaken because of under exposure. Once again, that's a medical fact, and I know you won't deny it, because you're just barely smart enough to refrain from denying fact, but just stupid enough to make up bullshit in order to argue... against nothing? I'm actually not sure why I even respond to you. You never make any sort of point, you just kind of talk in circles, and when you are out right proven wrong, like the top of this page, you just continue to speak in circles.
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Patently false. Even if washing your hands removed 99.99% of the bacteria present, you would still have literally billions present. Washing your hands reduces the chances of infection, but your immune system will still be exposed to every single bacteria present.
 
I wonder... are there people who don't wear seat belts out of the legitimate fear that the mechanism may trap them in their car should it catch fire?

Those are the sorts of statistics we are dealing with, here.
 
Siderealmotion said:
Patently false. Even if washing your hands removed 99.99% of the bacteria present, you would still have literally billions present. Washing your hands reduces the chances of infection, but your immune system will still be exposed to every single bacteria present.
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lol

http://www.easy-immune-health.com/Handwashing.html

Siderealmotion said:
I wonder... are there people who don't wear seat belts out of the legitimate fear that the mechanism may trap them in their car should it catch fire?

Those are the sorts of statistics we are dealing with, here.
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You may want to notify the New England Journal of Medicine, or the various other medical institutions that agree with me.

It's hilarious to me how so many people assume that the popular opinion is in line with science or medicine. You could try reading a little before just blindly forming an opinion.
 
Real_Magi said:
You may want to notify the New England Journal of Medicine, or the various other medical institutions that agree with me.

It's hilarious to me how so many people assume that the popular opinion is in line with science or medicine. You could try reading a little before just blindly forming an opinion.
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Agree with you on what? That there is a risk to taking a flu vaccine? Sure. They also note that the risk is so infinitesimally small as to be a non factor.
 
Siderealmotion said:
Oh look, an altmed site. What a surprise. Don't worry, I'm sure they have no profit motive for their articles... I mean, it's not like the entire site is a giant store for their woo.
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Yup, that site he linked is still perpetuating the debunked myth that vitamin d fights or prevents colds.
 
Siderealmotion said:
Agree with you on what? That there is a risk to taking a flu vaccine? Sure. They also note that the risk is so infinitesimally small as to be a non factor.
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Wow, you really didn't read the source, did you? I hope for your sake you didn't.
 
Real_Magi said:
Oh the irony.
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I'm sure that massive 2% of their global revenue that vaccines make up for pharma companies is the big driving factor behind the global conspiracy, bro. But, you know, for only $49.99 a month, you can get my exclusive vitablend that will magically treat all the symptoms of all the evil products that big pharma has been pushing on you over the years.
 
Tomax said:
The two parts I've put in bold seem to contradict each other in the context of this discussion. I stated that the vaccination requires an immune response to be effective, and the immune system has finite capabilities. You said, no, that's not correct, the immune system can handle it. Then you go on to say that sometimes the immune system cannot handle it. Can you please clarify?
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The mild symptoms people get sometimes from vaccines is not because they are sick, but because the adjuvants or immunogens in the vaccine cause the immune system to release inflammatory cells and cytokines. These cause your temp to rise and the interferon causes you to feel chills and malaise. You aren't actually infected with the flu tho and it won't cause you harm.

Also the immune system is a finite resource but it can and does fight more than one infection all the time. Your innate immune system is constantly clearing out infections before they even have a chance to give you symptoms.
 
The hygiene hypothesis is pretty legit. In countries with higher vaccination rates and better hygeine, allergies tend to be a lot higher.

However, I think an increase in allergies is worth the risk of not having children die from preventable diseases like diptheria, pertussis and others
 
JonesBones said:
Anecdotes aren't proof.

The vaccine contains a few strains that are supposed to be most common in the population that year. It isn't "retarded".
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Injecting a virus into my bloodstream sounds pretty fucking stupid to me. You be you. I'll stay healthy.
 
I'm surprised that the poll was as heavily NO as it is. As for me and my children NO. I don't believe in getting vaccinations for the most part. Polio and hep are all I need.
 
Strikes Again said:
Injecting a virus into my bloodstream sounds pretty fucking stupid to me. You be you. I'll stay healthy.
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If the most of the world was like you, we'd still have smallpox destroying the population.
 
def1 said:
The mild symptoms people get sometimes from vaccines is not because they are sick, but because the adjuvants or immunogens in the vaccine cause the immune system to release inflammatory cells and cytokines. These cause your temp to rise and the interferon causes you to feel chills and malaise. You aren't actually infected with the flu tho and it won't cause you harm.

Also the immune system is a finite resource but it can and does fight more than one infection all the time. Your innate immune system is constantly clearing out infections before they even have a chance to give you symptoms.
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I understand what you're saying, but there's a bit of hair splitting of the term 'sick'. Your immune system responds, you display symptoms, it is what it is.
 
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