DDP before JJ vs Gane analysis;

[Luffy]

DDP was asked about how he sees the upcoming fight between Jon Jones and Gane (it was back in start of 2023 when the JJ vs Cyril Gane was announced)



He seemed kinda nervous about the fight, saying he didn't want JJ to fight Gane, who he said was like a LHW JJ...

Then, DDP now talking about JJ vs Tom:



He is saying the same thing, that he doesn't want to see it. But it's cool how he worded both match ups. He seemed more confident in JJ chances vs Tom, I think the way JJ beat Gane made him realize just how grate JJ is. He said that when he watched JJ vs Cyril, he realized that JJ is not only the GOAT but is a different kind of beast...

 

[Bowel-forged Stool]

These pure blood Africans see things for how they really are…

Lions fall and become grass, and GOATs eat grass

 

[Pierce 34]

realize just how grate JJ is.

Yeah he's definitely grated PEDs do that for you

 

[RockyLockridge]

same thing happened to me I gave jones zero chance against gane, now I know he'd beat aspinall.

 

[Tweak896]

It's strange how everyone is overlooking Jones when Aspinall has defended only 2 takedowns his entire UFC career, both in 1st round by Spivac who had no training camp and was a last minute opponent. Most people that can be objective might say this could be Aspinall's toughest matchup. Grappler vs Striker usually goes to grappler, yet many people disregard that Aspinall could possible be taken down.

 

[Hog-train]

Gane sucks and has always sucked.

 

[Aurelian]

It's strange how everyone is overlooking Jones when Aspinall has defended only 2 takedowns his entire UFC career, both in 1st round by Spivac who had no training camp and was a last minute opponent. Most people that can be objective might say this could be Aspinall's toughest matchup. Grappler vs Striker usually goes to grappler, yet many people disregard that Aspinall could possible be taken down.

Yeah, I think Jon's wrestling could be a determining factor. Even if Jon is old and slow, his wrestling would be the one thing that's not really affected as much by it. Tom has good BJJ but can he prevent himself from getting lay n prayed.

 

[mkess101]

It's strange how everyone is overlooking Jones when Aspinall has defended only 2 takedowns his entire UFC career, both in 1st round by Spivac who had no training camp and was a last minute opponent. Most people that can be objective might say this could be Aspinall's toughest matchup. Grappler vs Striker usually goes to grappler, yet many people disregard that Aspinall could possible be taken down.

Nah. I'd imagine most people understand there's a challenge that Aspinall hasn't yet faced. Even those of us who think he'll win understand that Jones (even not at his optimal weight class and a little past his prime) brings things Aspinall hasn't seen yet.
Seeing Gane outgrappled by Ngannou prior to Jones, and now Volkov after Jones though has to make people understand that Cyril's grappling really isn't all that good. Aspinall clowned Volkov with grappling and subbed him inside a round. Gane was outworked on the mat by Volkov.
Again, that doesn't mean Jon isn't Aspinall’s biggest test. He is imo, for a lot of obvious reasons.

On the flipside, it's funny to me that so many Jones backers want to desperately convince themselves that Aspinall=Gane (despite as I said seeing both Aspinall utterly wreck Volkov on the mat, and then Volkov get the better of Gane there). There seems to be this communal wishing into existence that Aspinall is "just another guy" which imo is gonna bring about a rude awakening for them if Jones accepts this fight.

 

[Luffy]

Nah. I'd imagine most people understand there's a challenge that Aspinall hasn't yet faced. Even those of us who think he'll win understand that Jones (even not at his optimal weight class and a little past his prime) brings things Aspinall hasn't seen yet.
Seeing Gane outgrappled by Ngannou prior to Jones, and now Volkov after Jones though has to make people understand that Cyril's grappling really isn't all that good. Aspinall clowned Volkov with grappling and subbed him inside a round. Gane was outworked on the mat by Volkov.
Again, that doesn't mean Jon isn't Aspinall’s biggest test. He is imo, for a lot of obvious reasons.

On the flipside, it's funny to me that so many Jones backers want to desperately convince themselves that Aspinall=Gane (despite as I said seeing both Aspinall utterly wreck Volkov on the mat, and then Volkov get the better of Gane there). There seems to be this communal wishing into existence that Aspinall is "just another guy" which imo is gonna bring about a rude awakening for them if Jones accepts this fight.

Well, if he wants the fight then yes. Again, the UFC chose to leave the belt with him. He didn't ask for it, he said he was totally fine with vacating. Still, I've a strong guess that Tom and Gane will fight for the belt, with JJ's retirement being announced and only taking this long to keep the HWs somewhat on the spotlight. If JJ doesn't want to take this fight at this stage of his career, he doesn't need to. It was up to the UFC to publicly say he vacated, but they did not. At the end, I still think Stipe's was JJ last match. He doesn't need to prove anything else. He has done it all.

 

[Tweak896]

Nah. I'd imagine most people understand there's a challenge that Aspinall hasn't yet faced. Even those of us who think he'll win understand that Jones (even not at his optimal weight class and a little past his prime) brings things Aspinall hasn't seen yet.
Seeing Gane outgrappled by Ngannou prior to Jones, and now Volkov after Jones though has to make people understand that Cyril's grappling really isn't all that good. Aspinall clowned Volkov with grappling and subbed him inside a round. Gane was outworked on the mat by Volkov.
Again, that doesn't mean Jon isn't Aspinall’s biggest test. He is imo, for a lot of obvious reasons.

On the flipside, it's funny to me that so many Jones backers want to desperately convince themselves that Aspinall=Gane (despite as I said seeing both Aspinall utterly wreck Volkov on the mat, and then Volkov get the better of Gane there). There seems to be this communal wishing into existence that Aspinall is "just another guy" which imo is gonna bring about a rude awakening for them if Jones accepts this fight.

Here's the thing, if you go back and read the boards here before the fight happened, the narrative wasn't Gane sucks on the ground, it was the same argument for Aspinall now. That Gane is a real HW and huge for the division, so his strength and athleticism should make it hard to take down.

Now I don't want to say Aspinall = Gane. They are very different styles. But neither guy has a wrestling background. Aspinall hasn't shown takedown defense at all in the UFC. The wrestler he fought twice didn't even get a chance to shoot a takedown both times (Blaydes). Wrestling also isn't huge in the UK. And I haven't got to how his cardio hasn't been tested.

Flipside, Jones is the oldest he's been and has mileage and fighting above his normal weight. I don't think he's a natural HW. He has to have a disciplined gameplan against Aspinall and not make mistakes, but Jones always comes in well prepared. I think he can do it.

I hope we get the fight and see what happens.

Yeah, I think Jon's wrestling could be a determining factor. Even if Jon is old and slow, his wrestling would be the one thing that's not really affected as much by it. Tom has good BJJ but can he prevent himself from getting lay n prayed.

Fair enough. Also I admit at 38 years old, no matter how much damage he's avoided, his chin is in the worst spot it's ever been. So if he get cracked it won't be surprising it's a giant guy in his prime like Aspinall/

 

[Aurelian]

Here's the thing, if you go back and read the boards here before the fight happened, the narrative wasn't Gane sucks on the ground, it was the same argument for Aspinall now. That Gane is a real HW and huge for the division, so his strength and athleticism should make it hard to take down.

Now I don't want to say Aspinall = Gane. They are very different styles. But neither guy has a wrestling background. Aspinall hasn't shown takedown defense at all in the UFC. The wrestler he fought twice didn't even get a chance to shoot a takedown both times (Blaydes). Wrestling also isn't huge in the UK. And I haven't got to how his cardio hasn't been tested.

Flipside, Jones is the oldest he's been and has mileage and fighting above his normal weight. I don't think he's a natural HW. He has to have a disciplined gameplan against Aspinall and not make mistakes, but Jones always comes in well prepared. I think he can do it.

I hope we get the fight and see what happens.


Fair enough. Also I admit at 38 years old, no matter how much damage he's avoided, his chin is in the worst spot it's ever been. So if he get cracked it won't be surprising it's a giant guy in his prime like Aspinall/

Yeah Tom has power. Jon doesn't need to be taking too many punches in this fight. Wrestling is likely his best chance to win. Good thing though is Tom generally likes to move forward and press the fight so Jon just needs the right timing. Tom might be able to defend, who knows, but like you said it hasn't really been thoroughly tested.

I mean, Tom is British so that's a mark against his wrestling to begin with. (I keed)

 

[Tweak896]

Yeah Tom has power. Jon doesn't need to be taking too many punches in this fight. Wrestling is likely his best chance to win. Good thing though is Tom generally likes to move forward and press the fight so Jon just needs the right timing. Tom might be able to defend, who knows, but like you said it hasn't really been thoroughly tested.

I mean, Tom is British so that's a mark against his wrestling to begin with. (I keed)

Haha, well Bisping had pretty good TDD so all hope isn't gone. I don't think Aspinall has no wrestling, it's just a matter of it being good enough against someone elite like Jones. Also if he's down on the ground for a round, what's his gas tank like later? Guys like Pereira just carry that power every round, but who knows if Aspinall does. Jones brings tons of shit that's never seen at HW, interesting to see how big guys handle it, it's like LHW vs HW is just 2 different styles.

 

[Luffy]

We don't know Tom's wrestling / grappling level. We know he's good in jiu jitsu, but so were many guys that JJ took down and it their jiujitsu didn't save them.

Plus, JJ isn't slow... The analysis I had done in that "debunking Stipe losing due to age" thread proved through concrete data, that JJ's striking speed was still as sharp as his heydays, as crazy as it sounds. And so was Stipe, until he got badly injured in the first round. JJ's chin isn't showing signs of weakness yet either, considering he took a clean right hand from Miocic, known for his big straight right KO power among HWs.... JJ did not even wobble... He stood calm and adapted his strategy to avoid hitting the liver, instead leaning to Miocic's right side to avoid straight right punches. He took 3 straight right punches from Stipe that were clean, and yet, JJ didn't show any signs of being in trouble, wobbling, shaken legs or being rocked. Which he has never shown, ever, in any fight, by the way. If anything, his chin is the best ever. Considering Aspinall got clearly bigger signs of discomfort and a sense of urgency from jabs from Blaydes, Tom's chin is not as good as JJ's based on the info we have.

 

[mkess101]

Here's the thing, if you go back and read the boards here before the fight happened, the narrative wasn't Gane sucks on the ground, it was the same argument for Aspinall now. That Gane is a real HW and huge for the division, so his strength and athleticism should make it hard to take down.

Now I don't want to say Aspinall = Gane. They are very different styles. But neither guy has a wrestling background. Aspinall hasn't shown takedown defense at all in the UFC. The wrestler he fought twice didn't even get a chance to shoot a takedown both times (Blaydes). Wrestling also isn't huge in the UK. And I haven't got to how his cardio hasn't been tested.

Flipside, Jones is the oldest he's been and has mileage and fighting above his normal weight. I don't think he's a natural HW. He has to have a disciplined gameplan against Aspinall and not make mistakes, but Jones always comes in well prepared. I think he can do it.

I hope we get the fight and see what happens.


Fair enough. Also I admit at 38 years old, no matter how much damage he's avoided, his chin is in the worst spot it's ever been. So if he get cracked it won't be surprising it's a giant guy in his prime like Aspinall/

Just because some people here created a narrative doesn't make it an accurate one. The absolute facts are that Gane DID get dominated by Ngannou on the mat when that wasn't Ngannou's game. He DID get outgrappled by Volkov. These aren't narratives, they happened. As did Tom dominating and subbing that very same Volkov. So this isn't conjecture-Aspinall clearly has shown he's levels above Gane with his grappling. Enough to thwart Jones? We don't know but we DO know he's in a different league than Gane so the narrative that it's gonna look like the Gane fight is actually the one that seems ridiculous.

 

[mkess101]

Well, if he wants the fight then yes. Again, the UFC chose to leave the belt with him. He didn't ask for it, he said he was totally fine with vacating. Still, I've a strong guess that Tom and Gane will fight for the belt, with JJ's retirement being announced and only taking this long to keep the HWs somewhat on the spotlight. If JJ doesn't want to take this fight at this stage of his career, he doesn't need to. It was up to the UFC to publicly say he vacated, but they did not. At the end, I still think Stipe's was JJ last match. He doesn't need to prove anything else. He has done it all.

I agree, Jones doesn't need to take the fight. He needs to decide though. Take it, or vacate.

 

[orca]

Yeah he's definitely grated PEDs do that for you

but still you cant prove it

we also cant prove gsp was on peds because he didnt wanna fight USADA era

even though gsps shoulders is almost as big as his head
with a very low bodfat but with muscles and veins
a human being producing muscles like gsp by just kicking punching and doing cardio?

bodybuilders should make gsp their coach lmfao

 

[Poirierfan]

Luffy going for the record with the most gay Jon Jones threads in under a month. You're a true fan an a excellent partner for Jon TS, he's a very lucky guy to be loved by you.

 

[mkess101]

We don't know Tom's wrestling / grappling level. We know he's good in jiu jitsu, but so were many guys that JJ took down and it their jiujitsu didn't save them.

Plus, JJ isn't slow... The analysis I had done in that "debunking Stipe losing due to age" thread proved through concrete data, that JJ's striking speed was still as sharp as his heydays, as crazy as it sounds. And so was Stipe, until he got badly injured in the first round. JJ's chin isn't showing signs of weakness yet either, considering he took a clean right hand from Miocic, known for his big straight right KO power among HWs.... JJ did not even wobble... He stood calm and adapted his strategy to avoid hitting the liver, instead leaning to Miocic's right side to avoid straight right punches. He took 3 straight right punches from Stipe that were clean, and yet, JJ didn't show any signs of being in trouble, wobbling, shaken legs or being rocked. Which he has never shown, ever, in any fight, by the way. If anything, his chin is the best ever. Considering Aspinall got clearly bigger signs of discomfort and a sense of urgency from jabs from Blaydes, Tom's chin is not as good as JJ's based on the info we have.

You don't know what "concrete data" is. You literally just make shit up, inserting your interpretation of what things mean...and then spit out "So you can see I've clearly shown..." when you've done anything but that.

Your schtick is fucking tired, bud. This farce you've tried to sell as being the guy who "really digs deep into the nuts and bolts"---nobody is buying it. You flood posts with opinion that you present as fact because you evidently have an unlimited amount of time to do so, and then when someone doesn't take the same amount of time to shoot down every one of your asinine "points", you say "See! You didn't disprove how I 'showed' that Aspinall rushes to try to finish fights because he's worried he'll get tired!" When the reality is that nobody should NEED to shut down such a moronic take because of how stupid it is on its face.

Cliffs: You're a moron and laughing at you is the appropriate response. So, you're welcome for each time I or anyone else gives you more than that because you're getting more than you deserve.

 

[GluttonforPunishment]

Luffy going for the record with the most gay Jon Jones threads in under a month. You're a true fan an a excellent partner for Jon TS, he's a very lucky guy to be loved by you.
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And like flies to shit, here you are. Polishing Aapinal.

 

[mkess101]

And like flies to shit, here you are. Polishing Aapinal.

Is there a way to avoid Fluffer's threads LMAO? On any given day he's got half the board spammed with new threads sucking off Jones. When Jonny retires, I wonder who the new obsession will be?