DC might have checkmated JBJ...

[Jorge Luis Borges]

i don't even care about the PEDs. but the fact that Cormier is beating all of the division's contenders AND goes up to HW and KO's the greatest UFC HW champion ever, is a lot better than 2 wins.

Er, but Jones has more than those two wins to compare with Cormier, right? He's got seven or eight title defenses. He cleaned out LHW. Add in to a better resume at LHW the fact that Jones bested DC twice head to head. I thin a much more accurate way of comparing the two outside of the PED issue is to say Jones is clearly the much better LHW but Cormier has the HW strap as well.

And if we are only considering the fights themselves and not the extra-curricular stuff, it's worth remembering Cormier never would have been LHW champ without Jones' non-fight problems.

I'm not trying to take away from Cormier at all. I think he's an impressively good fighter. But outside of the PED issue, I don't think there's a compelling argument that he's better than Jones.

 

[RawkyMarciano]

Please lemme hug yo ass bro....

 

[AleYeah]

Ain't no checkmating somebody that kicked your ass twice, regardless of whether it happened "cleanly" or not.

 

[dittohead84]

0-2 against USADA

Such a sociopathic, fake cry

 

[mahavishnunj]

What a shitty situation, all because of USADA.

Yeah, Jones' multiple failures and fuckups had nothing to do with it at all.

 

[mmasask]

PEDS enhance your skill. That's what they are used for.

no they dont im sorry they give you strength and muscle endurance... have you seen brock lesnar throw a high kick?

 

[GOATime]

This is factually incorrect. He is 1-2 vs USADA. When he hid under the ring for 8 hours+ to avoid being tested by USADA, that's a WIN.

I think we all won when that surfaced

 

[MEAN357]

Real Ali and Frazier moment for MMA. Frazier took the losses but it doesn't tell the whole story. Either way they'r both ATGs and its not debatable. I wouldn't pick any LHW in history to beat either of them

 

[listrahtes]

no they dont im sorry they give you strength and muscle endurance... have you seen brock lesnar throw a high kick?

Have you ever trained with someone on PEDs? They have better cardio then you, will train longer and harder than you and in the process will aquire skill much faster than you. They are more agressive than you, will endure more pain than you....etc. More muscle mass is not even that important. Motoric skill is facilitated through resisted repetition. This is basic human physiology and how neural development patterns work.

Thats why despite the risk they still take them, not to be stronger but to be a much better mma fighter in all aspects. F.e. rugby player will develop a better tackle, a tennis player a better forehand&better footwork...etc.

If you dont believe me ask a medical expert you trust with experience in sports science or neurological diseases. Just go to your doc and tell him you frequent Sherdog often. Should get you a transfer to a neurospecialist in an instant.

 

[CRuck1980]

Nah Jones' legacy is beneath Cormier's because of the failed PED tests. If you just compare their resumes, it's really not close. A long line of title defenses is not easy to achieve.

None of that matters, when it comes to dc vs jones, the eternal image that comes to mind is jones shin on dc's skull

 

[mmasask]

ive done em before.. just because someone on them uses doesnt make you a gymnist if your Uncoordinated. what you described was either strength or muscle endurance.
your agruement about pain is total bs btw how do you have so much knowledge on something youve never experienced first hand?

 

[IamStryker]

no they dont im sorry they give you strength and muscle endurance... have you seen brock lesnar throw a high kick?

I didn't say they GIVE you skills lol. I said they enhance your skills. Since when does more strength not enhance your skills?

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

Er, but Jones has more than those two wins to compare with Cormier, right? He's got seven or eight title defenses. He cleaned out LHW. Add in to a better resume at LHW the fact that Jones bested DC twice head to head. I thin a much more accurate way of comparing the two outside of the PED issue is to say Jones is clearly the much better LHW but Cormier has the HW strap as well.

And if we are only considering the fights themselves and not the extra-curricular stuff, it's worth remembering Cormier never would have been LHW champ without Jones' non-fight problems.

I'm not trying to take away from Cormier at all. I think he's an impressively good fighter. But outside of the PED issue, I don't think there's a compelling argument that he's better than Jones.

he's better in the "what have you done for me lately?" kind of way.

it's not the PED use that is hurting Jones in my opinion, it's the time away.

it's the same way i feel about Cain, you can't be the greatest forever just because you did something years ago.

 

[Krushey]

DC's 0-2 vs bones he knows this and it burns his ass soo much he cried like a baby

This.

Didn't even bother to finish reading OP.

 

[LouDee16]

Why is DC pushing for the brock fight if he cares soo much about peds?

Really..... because he only has a few fights left in him and Brock will be his biggest pay day by far. Brock is the biggest draw and DC can ride into the sunset with a couple of million for that fight

 

[Paynebringer]

Jones' entire "legacy" is irrelevant, no one knows how good he is when he fights clean, not even Jon.

You got some proof to lifetime ped/steroid use that would tarnish his entire legacy..? Because other than the banned substance and confirmed pop I don't see how his entire legacy is irrelevant?

 

[El General]

Dc just gotta keep doing him. Its a fucked situation, none of which is dc's fault. But its a very tough evaluation.

 

[chaos_36]

You got some proof to lifetime ped/steroid use that would tarnish his entire legacy..? Because other than the banned substance and confirmed pop I don't see how his entire legacy is irrelevant?

I don't know how long Catholic priests had been molesting alter boys before reported cases were made public but I suspect it's much longer than they've been getting caught for it. So no I don't have evidence but it's the same logic, both his brothers have failed tests too so it's in his blood both literally and figuratively. Jon is our Lance Armstrong whether you want to admit it or not. Fantastic fighter whose career is tarnished by pathological lies and incessant cheating.

 

[SalvadorAllende]

DC did what JBJ was too scared to do... fight the HW champ.

Also got the money fight Jones asked.. Brock Lesnar.

At the end of the day one guys is making millinos and the other one is an unemployed bum training boxing in his garage.

 

[Paynebringer]

no I don't have evidence

That's ^^^ all I needed to read all that priests molestation stuff and twisting & bending to try and reach a point that's not there is just unnecessary, gut feelings is not evidence or fact....