DC might have checkmated JBJ...

[CRuck1980]

Not talking about H2H confrontations or who´s better, talking here strictly about legacy and overall career.

H2H is the most important thing in this case. Both are dominant and have great resumes with dc being a 2 division champ and jones testing positive but that is not enough to erase the 2 losses

 

[Paynebringer]

The reality is you're not important enough to see the facts. Deals get signed so the facts remain between two parties and save USADA money. When you're important enough you'll see them, until that moment stay blinded.

What does any of this ^^^ gibberish even mean? Facts are facts what does anyone's importance have to do with facts..?

 

[markg171]

DC fans are so delusional it’s not even funny. Even if you were to discount Jon being 3-0 against him (their press conference brawl), his list of accomplishments is so much bigger it shouldn’t even be in any doubt who’s higher on the all time list. Like Jon has 3x the amount of title fight wins, yet DC is somehow supposed to be ahead of him?

 

[Gucci 'Trap God' Mane]

Jones is the GOAT. People who cry PED us are just a bunch of dumb ass DC dick riders.. Trace amounts of a random Ped in his system ain't doing shit its been proven over and over and over.. You guys just can't handle that job Jones whooped his fucking ass with pure skill and top notch fight IQ. DC will always be second to Jones

 

[Kid Killashaw]

What does any of this ^^^ gibberish even mean? Facts are facts what does anyone's importance have to do with facts..?

Because facts aren't always listed especially when lawyers and money is involved. You cop your fine and suspension, athlete signs a form saying they accept and their may be stipulations in place e.g privacy or accepting that you won't continue to pursue other legal avenues. surely you're old enough to know this by now. How many USADA reports have you read? Good luck getting clear cut facts unless it is a study in a scientific journal and last I checked Jones being a drug addict wasn't science.

 

[Koro_11]

Jones is a cheater, criminal and remorseless psychopath who should be in prison.

After all that he has done there's no way he should even ever be considered as great / HOF potential or compared to DC's achievements.

Maybe, but he was still better than DC at kicking ass... and he kicked his ass twice. But ya we could pretend none of it happened cause Jones is a dick and doesn’t deserve it.

 

[Shadowthrone]

Man, Jones got some nerds on here insanely triggered

 

[ZOD66]

In the end good wins. Jones fuck up to many times

 

[Ancient Warrior]

I don’t know if I’d consider it a “checkmate”, just a feather in his cap that Jones doesn’t have.

It does look bad that Cormier did something Jones was afraid to do throughout his career.

 

[Captain Herb]

DC is objectively a superior fighter to Jon Jones. While DC is 0-2 against Jon at LHW, that's not his natural division. Much like Machida, DC is at his best in the higher division because he needs weight, muscle and a speed advantage to implement his game. The Heavyweight division is traditionally home to 'The Baddest Man on the Planet' because it is generally accepted that the HW champ is the best in the world and would stand a greater chance than anyone else at beating everyone else. Despite his lack of power, Jon may still have been a great Heavyweight but the fact is that he never tried. He never entered the octagon at the highest level. DC has a huge resume at HW and multiple championships while JJ has been content to reside at LHW, facing generally much smaller competition. Until Jon moves up to HW and proves to the world that he is indeed the Baddest on the Planet, DC will always be considered the greater fighter.

 

[Your Salad]

who really cares about USADA? im watching fights to be entertained i dont want to watch people point fight and spar for 5 rounds

DC was outclassed in both fights plain and simple

Yes, it's a TV show that I watch to be entertained. DC lost and I was entertained

 

[gono btw]

H2H is the most important thing in this case. Both are dominant and have great resumes with dc being a 2 division champ and jones testing positive but that is not enough to erase the 2 losses

legacy goes beyond H2H...

Weidman beat Spider twice, is he greater legacy-wise?

 

[gono btw]

Lets not pretend Jones is old and near the end of this career. DC is great, should be in the argument of GOAT but juice or no juice Jones beat him twice and once DC retires Jones could POTENTIALLY fight another 10 or more times. Makes it pretty easy to surpass anyone that is currently considered the GOAT

it goes beyong H2H... Weidman beat Spider twice, is he greater?

 

[One MMA Fan]

@gono btw Jones put a serious beating on DC and even took a 25 min decision so no matter how we slice it roids or not he took him out.

BUT be sure DC royally answered in ways that kept Jones up at night and made him punch doors.. DC went to HW and got the strap it's a big F Y to Jones that teased it but never dare to go for it... then the cherry on top what probably counts the most to them is he took one big ass payday and exposure in a Brock fight that will at least do 1 mill PPV a new career record.

 

[gono btw]

@gono btw Jones put a serious beating on DC and even took a 25 min decision so no matter how we slice it roids or not he took him out.

BUT be sure DC royally answered in ways that kept Jones up at night and made him punch doors.. DC went to HW and got the strap it's a big F Y to Jones that teased it but never dare to go for it... then the cherry on top what probably counts the most to them is he took one big ass payday and exposure in a Brock fight that will at least do 1 mill PPV a new career record.

JBJ´s camp is a pretty 'conservative' one, not really a D2BG one... That might have worked against JBJ´s timeline for greatness...

 

[xX420TokeeyXx420Swag]

I just know JBJ wouldn't dry hump Silva all night like DC did.
Pulled a Colby Covington on us that night.

 

[Darbo]

That one of yours? That's fucking inspired.

 

[NGute87]

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This is just great.

 

[Readybodisready]

Jon is top 2 ATG. DC is maybe top 10 ATG. He is DC's father. It's not close between them.

 

[chaos_36]

That's ^^^ all I needed to read all that priests molestation stuff and twisting & bending to try and reach a point that's not there is just unnecessary, gut feelings is not evidence or fact....

Okay you let your naivety and fandom cloud your judgement if you wish, that's your prerogative. Your logic (or lack thereof) suggests Jon has only failed the tests that we have evidence for therefore he has only cheated those times. He has also only done coke that one weekend and has only had sex a couple of times with his fiance as evident by his only kids being to her. Man do people not use common sense or intuition any more? It's kind of sad people don't trust their own instincts.