Dakota Ditcheva is the future of WMMA

[Kevin Sorbo]

Grow up

Concession accepted.

 

[Ares Black]

Concession accepted.

Grow up

 

[Dreyga_King of Sherbums]

On more friendly note: Just wanted to say I really like your avatar. Brain Azzarello's run on Wonder Woman was gem that wasn't given the praise it deserves. You are a man of taste

Grasso wasn't a former champion when she beat Barber. Fighters don't freeze in ability at 22. But I can only judge them based on what they've done so far. I can't predict how far their skills will go. Right now, she's average in terms of skill level.

Average?? She is TOP 5 in the divsion. By definition she is not average.

Yes, she's improved from being below average to now average. In her six fight win streak, Amanda Ribas is the only opponent she showed improvement against. The rest of them were decisions that could have gone either way. I was rooting for her and personally thought she lost against both Chookagian and Lee. She's good looking, she's young and she has heart-- that's about it. Paige Van Zant had all of those attributes and we saw how her career panned out. Let's not be so quick to say that she's elite before she actually puts in the work.

I think you confusing excitement with improvement. Just because she didn't get finish doesn't mean she didn't imrpove. Her distance control is better, her defense is better, her get ups are better, more vareity of weapons, her fight IQ improved. She has shown all these skills since her loss to Roxy and Grasso.

Ribas and Cortez aren't good though.

What? They are both very good. Cortez only has single loss in her UFC career. Ribas is ranked in 2 divisions.

How good are Ribas and Cortez compared to Zhang Weili and Jędrzejczyk? Who she defeated in much more dominant and impressive fashion over five round bouts?

I will grant you her first round finishes against Weili and Joanna were all time great moments but the reamtches were competive wars. Rose abrely got touched at all fighting Ribas and Cortez. Real dominance is outclassing your opponent while taking minimal damage

Ok, I'm trying to figure out how any of that you just typed disproves the fact that Andrade is not performing at the same level as she was in the past at 115lbs. Tatiana Suarez is the only fighter you've mentioned so far that I would say is above average.

Andrade lost wehn she fought better competion than fought the same when she took a step down. She is still in her prime.

Yan is striker skillset is FAR greater than Jessica Andrade who is just brawler. There really isn't much of comparison. Yes Andrade has more finishes but her techincal ability is nowhere near Yan's in the striking.

Erin is younger, bigger and more techinical.

Let's be real. She got lucky against her in the first fight.

Grasso did not get lucky she and her team trainied the fnishing sequence. There is video on it

The second fight was only a draw due to champion biased judging.

Check out the Media Scores most people had Grasso winning the fight

And this is all against an older Shevchenko. Alexa Grasso isn't that good. She had absolutely nothing for Valentina in the third fight as well.

Shevchenkno made agood strategy adjustment but you cna't just ignore the two competive fights they had. Its cherry picking confirmantion bias in it's most blatant.

When I think elite female fighters, I think Cyborg. I think Holly Holm. I think Ronda Rousey. I think Amanda Nunez. I think Megumi Fuji. I think Gina Carano. Valentina Shevchenko. Miesha Tate. Weili Zhang. Joanna. None of the female fighters you mentioned outside of DItcheva are cut like that.

Seems to me you don't care about actual skills you only name and star power.

Gina Carano? Miesha Tate? These women are NOT more skilled than the 125 TOP 5 or TOP 15 for that matter. How can you say Amanda Ribas isn't that good but then champion GINA CARANO

 

[Ares Black]

On more friendly note: Just wanted to say I really like your avatar. Brain Azzarello's run on Wonder Woman was gem that wasn't given the praise it deserves. You are a man of taste




Average?? She is TOP 5 in the divsion. By definition she is not average.



I think you confusing excitement with improvement. Just because she didn't get finish doesn't mean she didn't imrpove. Her distance control is better, her defense is better, her get ups are better, more vareity of weapons, her fight IQ improved. She has shown all these skills since her loss to Roxy and Grasso.




What? They are both very good. Cortez only has single loss in her UFC career. Ribas is ranked in 2 divisions.



I will grant you her first round finishes against Weili and Joanna were all time great moments but the reamtches were competive wars. Rose abrely got touched at all fighting Ribas and Cortez. Real dominance is outclassing your opponent while taking minimal damage



Andrade lost wehn she fought better competion than fought the same when she took a step down. She is still in her prime.

Yan is striker skillset is FAR greater than Jessica Andrade who is just brawler. There really isn't much of comparison. Yes Andrade has more finishes but her techincal ability is nowhere near Yan's in the striking.

Erin is younger, bigger and more techinical.


Grasso did not get lucky she and her team trainied the fnishing sequence. There is video on it



Check out the Media Scores most people had Grasso winning the fight

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Shevchenkno made agood strategy adjustment but you cna't just ignore the two competive fights they had. Its cherry picking confirmantion bias in it's most blatant.


Seems to me you don't care about actual skills you only name and star power.

Gina Carano? Miesha Tate? These women are NOT more skilled than the 125 TOP 5 or TOP 15 for that matter.

Prime Gina Carano would get her ass handed to her by half the roster.

 

[JBJisGOAT14]

Pretty hot too.

 

[Bobby Boulders]

I’m doing alright, just doing some laundry !
Pushed my chemo back till after Christmas, starting back in January

Idk, I guess I missed this. Currently worried for you. Hope you get past it and have a speedy recovery. You're one of my favorite posters here

 

[Neck&Neck]

Idk, I guess I missed this. Currently worried for you. Hope you get past it and have a speedy recovery. You're one of my favorite posters here

I’ve been fighting cancer for the last 11 years bro
I made it a career lol
It’s going to get me eventually but I keep on fighting till the end
Thanks for the kind words my dog

 

[Bobby Boulders]

I’ve been fighting cancer for the last 11 years bro
I made it a career lol
It’s going to get me eventually but I keep on fighting till the end
Thanks for the kind words my dog

You're welcome.

I admire that you haven't given up. That's a long fight, but is an indicator of your resolve.

 

[joy2day]

Illia is an insufferable cunt. I doubt anyone can stand his company for more than an hour.

Are you British, Australian maybe by nationality? Or maybe second language English?

 

[Dreyga_King of Sherbums]

Then they're going to have to explain to me how Maycee Barber just arguably lost to Chookagian.

She definitviely beat Katlyn

Lauren Murphy fought as closely with Andrea Lee as Barber did as well. And I'm not even saying the former list is better.

Lauren Murphy and Andrea Lee stagnated while Barber steadily got better

I'm just disagreeing with the idea that the division has *drastically* improved. If anything, that older list is underrated. Maia was putting in decent work during her Invicta run. She deserved to be up there at that time as much as any of these new fighters.

Fair enough Maia had a very respectable run. But Maia got DOMINATED Manon. And frnakly couldn't see Maia beating Rose. But I guess she does have win over Andrade so.... Hmmm... I guess I can see what you are saying with her. Don't understand why she was released

 

[TITS]

Can't believe this idiot is still white knighting for such a bum like Barber. She could arguably be 6-5 in the UFC and back to fighting cans in LFA. Even her DWCS "showcase fight" against a 35-year-old soccer mom was a fix.

 

[Tapatio]

Barber has a fake McDojo BBJ black belt, holds the record for air punches per round, and hogged the mic after she got wasted by Roxanne Modaferri. Future champ fer sure.

 

[Superzorro]

On more friendly note: Just wanted to say I really like your avatar. Brain Azzarello's run on Wonder Woman was gem that wasn't given the praise it deserves. You are a man of taste




Average?? She is TOP 5 in the divsion. By definition she is not average.



I think you confusing excitement with improvement. Just because she didn't get finish doesn't mean she didn't imrpove. Her distance control is better, her defense is better, her get ups are better, more vareity of weapons, her fight IQ improved. She has shown all these skills since her loss to Roxy and Grasso.




What? They are both very good. Cortez only has single loss in her UFC career. Ribas is ranked in 2 divisions.



I will grant you her first round finishes against Weili and Joanna were all time great moments but the reamtches were competive wars. Rose abrely got touched at all fighting Ribas and Cortez. Real dominance is outclassing your opponent while taking minimal damage



Andrade lost wehn she fought better competion than fought the same when she took a step down. She is still in her prime.

Yan is striker skillset is FAR greater than Jessica Andrade who is just brawler. There really isn't much of comparison. Yes Andrade has more finishes but her techincal ability is nowhere near Yan's in the striking.

Erin is younger, bigger and more techinical.


Grasso did not get lucky she and her team trainied the fnishing sequence. There is video on it



Check out the Media Scores most people had Grasso winning the fight

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Shevchenkno made agood strategy adjustment but you cna't just ignore the two competive fights they had. Its cherry picking confirmantion bias in it's most blatant.


Seems to me you don't care about actual skills you only name and star power.

Gina Carano? Miesha Tate? These women are NOT more skilled than the 125 TOP 5 or TOP 15 for that matter. How can you say Amanda Ribas isn't that good but then champion GINA CARANO

If the division you're fighting in is below average, you can be average in the top five.

I don't think she showed any of those things. If anything, she showed that she had lesser skills than Lee and Chookagian, but was able to get by on youth, tenacity and aggression. And again showing improvement doesn't automatically make you elite. It depends on where you start from, and how far the improvement has taken you. In my opinion, it hasn't taken her to the point where she could be considered elite.

Ribas is almost exclusively a ground fighter. She's a punching bag on the feet. And she's not known for being mentally tough. Barber hurt her and broke her will standing, then finished her on the ground. Nothing to see there really.

No, I disagree, it's a combination of her now facing much larger opponents and also hitting a slump in her career. That's not to say that she would have dominated them in the past. But Andrade is a much different fighter in the late 2010s at 115lbs than now. To beat her here at this weight and now doesn't mean as much as it did back then.



I'm not ignoring the first two fights, I just have a different perspective on them. To try and lump the first two fights in together as "competitive," is a really clever tactic, but it's false. The first two fights weren't the same. Only the second one was "competitive," but clear 3-2 for Valentina unless you go by "to beat the champion you have to take it from them" logic. Grasso was clearly losing the first fight until Valentina missed the kick. The only fight that they had that was clear cut objective dominance was the last one where Valentina completely shut Grasso out. Grasso has never dominated Valentina, so I don't particularly see their rivalry as "competitive." If you have two inconclusive fights, then one where there's dominance to that degree, the one who dominated is the better fighter.

Even if I conceded that point, and we went with this notion that they are somehow close in skill, you're still looking at an old Valentina that has tapered off and slowly started to perform worse and worse at older age. She's been competing in MMA since 2003. There's no argument that can be made for her being in her prime.


I believe Miesha Tate would destroy the 125lb division right now, stopping just short of the champion. Gina Carano would beat most of them as well. But again, here's another example of you cherry picking outliers and then trying to use them to make a rule. What about the OTHER fighters that I named? You don't want to talk about them, because we both know what would happen. Put Cyborg and any one of these "elite" 125 women in the ring, and they would have to charge the matchmakers with murder for hire.

She definitviely beat Katlyn


Lauren Murphy and Andrea Lee stagnated while Barber steadily got better
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Fair enough Maia had a very respectable run. But Maia got DOMINATED Manon. And frnakly couldn't see Maia beating Rose. But I guess she does have win over Andrade so.... Hmmm... I guess I can see what you are saying with her. Don't understand why she was released

This is just an appeal to authority. I watched the fight live and thought that Chookagian got it while actively rooting or Barber. If I grant you that Barber edged the fight, how exactly does that prove your point? Barber went life and death with an older version of another one of the people on the other list that you claim are leaps and bounds beneath her. Tell me how you look at that fight and see an extremely skilled, elite contender in Barber?

But yeah, it is what it is. You think this division is amazing, I disagree. If it has changed, the difference is marginal. I personally don't find myself randomly daydreaming about how much this division has gotten better (maybe about how much hotter the fighters are although that should be a given considering that they're younger). I didn't care for it too much back then and I don't now.

 

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

Are you British, Australian maybe by nationality? Or maybe second language English?

No. I'm an American. He's a cunt.

 

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

She definitviely beat Katlyn


Lauren Murphy and Andrea Lee stagnated while Barber steadily got better
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Fair enough Maia had a very respectable run. But Maia got DOMINATED Manon. And frnakly couldn't see Maia beating Rose. But I guess she does have win over Andrade so.... Hmmm... I guess I can see what you are saying with her. Don't understand why she was released

It's sad because it looked like kgb was getting better then she just dropped off a cliff

 

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

If the division you're fighting in is below average, you can be average in the top five.

I don't think she showed any of those things. If anything, she showed that she had lesser skills than Lee and Chookagian, but was able to get by on youth, tenacity and aggression. And again showing improvement doesn't automatically make you elite. It depends on where you start from, and how far the improvement has taken you. In my opinion, it hasn't taken her to the point where she could be considered elite.

Ribas is almost exclusively a ground fighter. She's a punching bag on the feet. And she's not known for being mentally tough. Barber hurt her and broke her will standing, then finished her on the ground. Nothing to see there really.

No, I disagree, it's a combination of her now facing much larger opponents and also hitting a slump in her career. That's not to say that she would have dominated them in the past. But Andrade is a much different fighter in the late 2010s at 115lbs than now. To beat her here at this weight and now doesn't mean as much as it did back then.



I'm not ignoring the first two fights, I just have a different perspective on them. To try and lump the first two fights in together as "competitive," is a really clever tactic, but it's false. The first two fights weren't the same. Only the second one was "competitive," but clear 3-2 for Valentina unless you go by "to beat the champion you have to take it from them" logic. Grasso was clearly losing the first fight until Valentina missed the kick. The only fight that they had that was clear cut objective dominance was the last one where Valentina completely shut Grasso out. Grasso has never dominated Valentina, so I don't particularly see their rivalry as "competitive." If you have two inconclusive fights, then one where there's dominance to that degree, the one who dominated is the better fighter.

Even if I conceded that point, and we went with this notion that they are somehow close in skill, you're still looking at an old Valentina that has tapered off and slowly started to perform worse and worse at older age. She's been competing in MMA since 2003. There's no argument that can be made for her being in her prime.


I believe Miesha Tate would destroy the 125lb division right now, stopping just short of the champion. Gina Carano would beat most of them as well. But again, here's another example of you cherry picking outliers and then trying to use them to make a rule. What about the OTHER fighters that I named? You don't want to talk about them, because we both know what would happen. Put Cyborg and any one of these "elite" 125 women in the ring, and they would have to charge the matchmakers with murder for hire.



This is just an appeal to authority. I watched the fight live and thought that Chookagian got it while actively rooting or Barber. If I grant you that Barber edged the fight, how exactly does that prove your point? Barber went life and death with an older version of another one of the people on the other list that you claim are leaps and bounds beneath her. Tell me how you look at that fight and see an extremely skilled, elite contender in Barber?

But yeah, it is what it is. You think this division is amazing, I disagree. If it has changed, the difference is marginal. I personally don't find myself randomly daydreaming about how much this division has gotten better (maybe about how much hotter the fighters are although that should be a given considering that they're younger). I didn't care for it too much back then and I don't now.

Because Katlyn is good at ruining people like Maycee Barber, and Barber beat her anyway.

 

[joy2day]

No. I'm an American. He's a cunt.

Oh OK, just really rare that men call other men cunts in America. Far more a British thing.

 

[Dreyga_King of Sherbums]

If the division you're fighting in is below average, you can be average in the top five.

What? I don't think know the defintion of average.

Being better than most of your competitors means you are above average. Being in the upper echeloen means you are elite. Being average mean you don't stand out form your comeptition.

I don't think she showed any of those things. If anything, she showed that she had lesser skills than Lee and Chookagian, but was able to get by on youth, tenacity and aggression. And again showing improvement doesn't automatically make you elite. It depends on where you start from, and how far the improvement has taken you. In my opinion, it hasn't taken her to the point where she could be considered elite.

So I have ask how do you define elite. Since we're not using the definition.

Ribas is almost exclusively a ground fighter. She's a punching bag on the feet.

Ribas has great distance striking. She is very competant on the feet. She just outmatched by the elite strikers and has a glass jaw.

No, I disagree, it's a combination of her now facing much larger opponents and also hitting a slump in her career. That's not to say that she would have dominated them in the past. But Andrade is a much different fighter in the late 2010s at 115lbs than now. To beat her here at this weight and now doesn't mean as much as it did back then.

Yeah she different. She is actually techincally better now. She has head movement. Doesn't rush in blindly. Uses set ups now. But she still isn't match for the TOP girls. The only issue for her is that compettion has gotten better.

I'm not ignoring the first two fights, I just have a different perspective on them. To try and lump the first two fights in together as "competitive," is a really clever tactic, but it's false. The first two fights weren't the same.

Not a tactic it FACT they were competitive

Only the second one was "competitive," but clear 3-2 for Valentina unless you go by "to beat the champion you have to take it from them" logic.

So were just gonna ignore the Media Scores I showed you that have it 50/50 between them slighty favoring Grasso. Were not even going to take account any other opnions of how that fight went?? Calling that a clear 3-2 Valentina is straight disingeinous

Grasso was clearly losing the first fight until Valentina missed the kick.

But Grasso took Valentina's back and finished her. Even if Valentina somwhow survived that round it would have been 2-2 going in the fifth. That is the defintion COMPETITIVE

The only fight that they had that was clear cut objective dominance was the last one where Valentina completely shut Grasso out. Grasso has never dominated Valentina, so I don't particularly see their rivalry as "competitive." If you have two inconclusive fights, then one where there's dominance to that degree, the one who dominated is the better fighter.

My argument is that Grasso is competitive with Valentina hence she of comparable skill level not the she is better.

Even if I conceded that point, and we went with this notion that they are somehow close in skill, you're still looking at an old Valentina that has tapered off and slowly started to perform worse and worse at older age. She's been competing in MMA since 2003. There's no argument that can be made for her being in her prime.

Never made that argument

I believe Miesha Tate would destroy the 125lb division right now, stopping just short of the champion. Gina Carano would beat most of them as well. But again, here's another example of you cherry picking outliers and then trying to use them to make a rule.

You are just flat out WRONG. Both women would even beat the bottom of the TOP 15 of 125. The skill level right now is too high for them.

What about the OTHER fighters that I named?

Those were actually good examples of skilled fighters. All time great even. I won't argue with you there

This is just an appeal to authority. I watched the fight live and thought that Chookagian got it while actively rooting or Barber. If I grant you that Barber edged the fight, how exactly does that prove your point? Barber went life and death with an older version of another one of the people on the other list that you claim are leaps and bounds beneath her. Tell me how you look at that fight and see an extremely skilled, elite contender in Barber?

Appeal to authority? You mean cosnidering the opinions of others. Enageing with reality. Backing my claims with examples?

But yeah, it is what it is. You think this division is amazing, I disagree. If it has changed, the difference is marginal. I personally don't find myself randomly daydreaming about how much this division has gotten better (maybe about how much hotter the fighters are although that should be a given considering that they're younger). I didn't care for it too much back then and I don't now.

Then you have a bad eye for MMA.

 

[Kyojiro Kagenuma]

Oh OK, just really rare that men call other men cunts in America. Far more a British thing.

Illia earned it.

 

[DanDragon Machi]

Let's be real. She got lucky against her in the first fight. The second fight was only a draw due to champion biased judging. And this is all against an older Shevchenko. Alexa Grasso isn't that good. She had absolutely nothing for Valentina in the third fight as well. When I think elite female fighters, I think Cyborg. I think Holly Holm. I think Ronda Rousey. I think Amanda Nunez. I think Megumi Fuji. I think Gina Carano. Valentina Shevchenko. Miesha Tate. Weili Zhang. Joanna. None of the female fighters you mentioned outside of DItcheva are cut like that.

If do you think Holly Holm and Gina Carano are better fighters than Grasso you don't understand anything at all about fight. Holm got submited by Miesha Tate in a shameful way, she doesn't have any ground game and any white belt coud take her back. She turned into a wrestler because her striking is not that good for MMA
Gina Carano lol. She had 7 victories in her career and in the first (and only) elite fighter than fought couldn't last one round without calling for her mother in the fetal position

Grasso is way more well rounded and has much more heart than these two. If do you think her sub on Val was lucky you have never did grappling in your life. Many male MMA fighters got impressed and found that sub fantastic by the Alex's percpeption and by her speed of the executaiton