How many fighters better than Ronda actually existed in WMMA history?

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I remember after watching Holly controlling and crushing Ronda of thinking there wasn't doubt that Holly was a better athlete and fighter than her. But today I just see it was just a mismatch case and that don' t reflects the overall level difference between both.Then it became clear that Holly wouldn't even be able to beat every opponent in Ronda resume, much less demolish all them like Rousey did. Her loss by Tate just revealed her ground game was as problematic as Ronda striking, but Ronda's grappling/judo/bjj was way more effective than Holly standing game against most fighters

That said, which female fighters would you classified as a better/tougher to beat than Ronda? I really don't think there are many with tools as efficient as hers

I would classify like this

Arguably better:
Amanda Nunes
Valentina Shevchenko
Cris Cyborg

Same Level (little bit better or little bit worse)
Weli Zhang
Rose Namajunas
Alexa Grasso
Tatiana Suarez
Kayla Harrison
Manon Fiorot
Joanna Jedrzejczyk

Inferior (but no much)
Nathalia Silva
Dakota Ditcheva
Germaine de Randamie
Holly Holm
Norma Dumont
Felicia Spencer
Yan Xiaonan
Enrin Blanchfiled
Larrissa Pacheco

My bigger doubt was on classify Cyborg as better or same level. While she was a beast she wasn't totally dominating against Spencer and Holly and got murdered by the best who she faced
 
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There is literally only 5 fighters listed here that are not better. The ones listed on same level are NOT the same level they are all better thsn Ronda. ... the ones listed s as arguably better are levels better.

Edmond is that you?
 
Streeter said:
There is literally only 5 fighters listed here that are not better. The ones listed on same level are NOT the same level they are all better thsn Ronda. ... the ones listed s as arguably better are levels better.

Edmond is that you?
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I think you just understimate her (like I used to do).....
Her efficiency was just crazy, I don't think two bad nights define her level

No one more did what she did to Zingano and she was the only one who got Tate submitted (two times)
 
Streeter said:
There is literally only 5 fighters listed here that are not better. The ones listed on same level are NOT the same level they are all better thsn Ronda. ... the ones listed s as arguably better are levels better.

Edmond is that you?
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This/end thread.


The overall skill level of WMMA has quadrupled or so since Ronda was on top. This is a good thing.
 
Streeter said:
There is literally only 5 fighters listed here that are not better. The ones listed on same level are NOT the same level they are all better thsn Ronda. ... the ones listed s as arguably better are levels better.

Edmond is that you?
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Which are the only 5 not better?
 
DanDragon Machi said:
I think you just understimate her (like I used to do).....
Her efficiency was just crazy, I don't think two bad nights define her level

No one more did what she did to Zingano and she was the only one who got Tate submitted (two times)
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Cat fought like an absolute idiot in that fight. God knows what she was thinking.
 
there was nothing like prime Ronda, nothing before, nothing after, with exception of AS. That run was something else.

there are more accomplished fighters now, but none had that run.
 
DanDragon Machi said:
What a overstatement lol. Appeared pretty much talented girls at lower divisions but at 61 and 66 the level is pretty awful...Past prime Holm is a top 5 of the division even nowaday lol
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Nope. Look.At.Ronda's.Striking.
Just comical, and she'd (continue to) get pulverized via strikes. . .

. . . . .aaaaand look at how utterly pathetic the grappling/bjj of virtually all of Ronda's opponents was back then. Sub after sub after sub vs *at best* blue-belt level opponents (and that's being liberal).There are a dime-a-dozen up-and-comers these days with ground games alone (not to mention the world of striking) so, so, so much higher than virtually any of Ronda's opponents had. . . lol with the exception of the ones that clobbered her (and their ground games sucked too!)
 
I wanted to see Val vs Ronda more than anything at the time. I think Ronda loses that fight 10/10 at 135.

Rousey choosing the more powerful Nunes after getting KO'd by Holm was a dumb decision born out of pride. She needed to mentally recover prior to a championship caliber fight and instead got retired rather brutally on her feet. Val would have been a better pick.
 
Cyborg would have beat her up badly.

It would have been like Khabib vs Conor without losing the one round.
 
DanDragon Machi said:
I think you just understimate her (like I used to do).....
Her efficiency was just crazy, I don't think two bad nights define her level

No one more did what she did to Zingano and she was the only one who got Tate submitted (two times)
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Her dominance is comparable to Royce Gracie's dominance in the early days of the UFC. She benefited from having a bunch of weak competition.

Even Mackenzie Dern is overall better than Ronda. And has better head movement.
 
Aluminati said:
I wanted to see Val vs Ronda more than anything at the time. I think Ronda loses that fight 10/10 at 135.

Rousey choosing the more powerful Nunes after getting KO'd by Holm was a dumb decision born out of pride. She needed to mentally recover prior to a championship caliber fight and instead got retired rather brutally on her feet. Val would have been a better pick.
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She was very poor advised in fact
She should have run away from any good striker till to win again
 
I think the right answer is who gives a shit?
Comparing Ronda to other fighters outside of her relevant era is like comparing 1970's NHL hockey to modern players. Its apples to oranges.
She was a one trick pony, the talent was thin and until Holly rolled into town, none of her opponents showed up with any semblance of gameplan.
 
DanDragon Machi said:
I remember after watching Holly controlling and crushing Ronda of thinking there wasn't doubt that Holly was a better athlete and fighter than her. But today I just see it was just a mismatch case and that don' t reflects the overall level difference between both.Then it became clear that Holly wouldn't even be able to beat every opponent in Ronda resume, much less demolish all them like Rousey did. Her loss by Tate just revealed her ground game was as problematic as Ronda striking, but Ronda's grappling/judo/bjj was way more effective than Holly standing game against most fighters

That said, which female fighters would you classified as a better/tougher to beat fighter than Ronda? I really don't think there are many efficiency of the tools

I would classify like this

Arguably better:
Amanda Nunes
Valentina Shevchenko
Cris Cyborg

Same Level (little bit better or little bit worse)
Weli Zhang
Rose Namajunas
Alexa Grasso
Tatiana Suarez
Kayla Harrison
Manon Fiorot
Joanna Jedrzejczyk

Inferior (but no much)
Nathalia Silva
Dakota Ditcheva
Germaine de Randamie
Holly Holm
Norma Dumont
Felicia Spencer
Yan Xiaonan
Enrin Blanchfiled
Larrissa Pacheco

My bigger doubt was on classify Cyborg as better or same level. While she was a beast she wasn't totally dominating against Spencer and Holly and got murdered by the best who she faced
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Ronda beat most of her opponents with aura... Beat them before they got in the cage.
Once that was destroyed, she was done. She was largely a media creation.

Not to be dismissive of her grappling skills. They were great. Exceptional.
But because of the way she walked through people, she truly believed she was a good striker... In fact, she was not.

She was surrounded by sycophants like Dana White, Joe Rogan and Edmund, telling her that she was unbeatable. People like idiot Rogan so confidently spreading falsehoods like that she could beat half the MEN'S bantamweight roster or that she could submit Cain or box with Mayweather or whatever else that donkey-brained mother fucker used to say.

<suzylol><suzylol><suzylol>
 
Ronda is a one trick pony... Was probably the best In The world at the time of setting up and executing her one trick but sub par in several other important areas such as striking... Which Holly and Rondas own hubris exposed. Then she foolishly took a 'come back fight' against Amanda which sealed her fate in her own mind...
Proof of which is her quitting being a star in a legitimate sport and becoming a heel in fake male soap opera bullshit...
 
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