Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

[Magooglie]

Trump said that about the ventilators because there were thousands of ventilators sitting around in warehouses that Cuomo was unaware of

Trumps comment about Governors needing to show appreciation to the federal government was stupid. But I do understand his hate for the MI governor. She is an evil bitch

So Trump is confusing. It's okay if you're confused by him. He's a confusing guy.

 

[SBJJ]

Yes, which is why I find Trump and Republicans constantly talking about shutting down the borders and flights such a stupid and worthless talking point to feed their "build the wall" tard base.
It only takes one person to infect other people. If the virus started in December, how much are you really doing with border shutdowns?. Plenty of infected people were already inside by that point.
Im not saying you shouldnt restrict acccess, but that measure is already too late for it to be truly effective. And Trump and his staff kept talking about it as if that was priority #1.
And the virus would be coming in mostly from flights anyways, so how much are you doing by shutting down Mexican and Canadian borders?

Im in South Korea, and the government gives us detailed information on the virus and where it pops up via our phones. The places that often pop for the virus have been GYMS.
Small, enclosed spaces with people coughing, sweating, and breathing on weights and machines is a pretty easy way to get a very contagious virus.

Uh. Gyms are open and being used in SK

 

[BarryDillon]

https://cepr.net/money-is-not-the-reason-the-u-s-is-not-following-the-danish-model/

 

[Magooglie]

No. WA was far from Wuhan.

And it's not all of italy that is getting scorched.

Again, NY should have been quarantined long ago and the focus could have been to help the residents

Washington used to be the #1 state with cases and had the earliest cases. I remember when New York passed it and California to be #1. Now New York is like Italy.

 

[SBJJ]

So Trump is confusing. It's okay if you're confused by him. He's a confusing guy.

Both are confusing. When Cuomo is unaware he actually has ventilators. Well, that is very confusing.

When the MI governor threatens doctors who are giving patients drugs to save them. Well, that is very confusing.

But yea, Trump says stupid shit

 

[SBJJ]

Washington used to be the #1 state with cases and had the earliest cases. I remember when New York passed it and California to be #1. Now New York is like Italy.

You mean NYC. WA is not the threat to the rest of the country that NY at this time and never was. If u want to call them Italy or N Italy I will not argue it.

But bottom line, NY should have been quarantined long ago. And so should NO at this moment

 

[Magooglie]

Both are confusing. When Cuomo is unaware he actually has ventilators. Well, that is very confusing.

When the MI governor threatens doctors who are giving patients drugs to save them. Well, that is very confusing.

But yea, Trump says stupid shit

Cuomo said they need the ventilators in preparation for expected cases. Which highlights the problem that there's no comprehensive plan, just to wait for people to get sick and then treat them.

I agree Trump says stupid shit

 

[SBJJ]

Lol No ,just no , it was a blanket statement , you didn't even argue it . You made your position clear ,you were shitting on Chinese people in general , it went past talking about the " wet markets ".

Perhaps you've modified your position in the interim , good for you if true .

Edit: your memory sucks eggs lol

You were called out on it by both sides bro. Both sides.

All my comments were REPLIES to posts about the wet markets.

You stopped commenting on it when you were called out by multiple posters (2 were left leaning posters)

And yes, Chinese culture is fucked up in regards to their treatment of animals.

Notice you brought up wet markets in this thread(I did not) showing you actually knew what I was commenting on. Lol

 

[SmilinDesperado]

Uh. Gyms are open and being used in SK

They have had periods of being closed.
Mines was closed for 2 weeks, and many others have been as well.

South Korea hasnt had to do much in terms of forcing people and businesses to do things because Koreans have actually listened to what the experts say and have been cautious.

Even though gyms are open right now , as are most businesses, people have mostly stayed away, and if they do go out, they take precautions to lessen their chances of getting or spreading the virus. There are hand sanitizers literally everywhere--even in random elevators. And you have to wear a mask while in the gym if you go.
Many gym classes have been cancelled.
But even though the gym is open, there arent a lot of people going.

 

[Magooglie]

You mean NYC. WA is not the threat to the rest of the country that NY at this time and never was. If u want to call them Italy or N Italy I will not argue it.

But bottom line, NY should have been quarantined long ago. And so should NO at this moment

Anywhere with an airport is a real threat to anywhere that airport connects to. Washington is Wuhan, the original American epicenter, formerly #1. New York is Italy, the new American epicenter, now #1.

 

[SBJJ]

Cuomo said they need the ventilators in preparation for expected cases. Which highlights the problem that there's no comprehensive plan, just to wait for people to get sick and then treat them.

I agree Trump says stupid shit

Dude. Cuomo said that about the ventilators AFTER it was pointed out he was unaware of those in the warehouses.

They are both doing the best job they can but are not perfect

 

[Magooglie]

Dude. Cuomo said that about the ventilators AFTER it was pointed out he was unaware of those in the warehouses.

They are both doing the best job they can but are not perfect

You mean he responded to something someone said, okay.

 

[SBJJ]

Anywhere with an airport is a real threat to anywhere that airport connects to. Washington is Wuhan, the original American epicenter, formerly #1. New York is Italy, the new American epicenter, now #1.

You are now arguing with yourself.

There is absolutely no reason to quarantine WA. While NY is in dire need of it.

And we still are not 100% sure WA was first contact. And they were obviously in a better spot to contain it or at least slow it

And yea. All air travel should be axed or at least severely limited. All international flights should have been stopped in January in Hindsight

 

[SBJJ]

You mean he responded to something someone said, okay.

No. He went from we need them NOW to we need them for the future.

He did not know he even had them. But that's not his fault. It's not like this shit is easy

 

[Magooglie]

You are now arguing with yourself.

There is absolutely no reason to quarantine WA. While NY is in dire need of it.

And we still are not 100% sure WA was first contact. And they were obviously in a better spot to contain it or at least slow it

No, I'm arguing with you. I didn't say Washington needs to be quarantined, I said it's the Wuhan of the US. Formerly #1 with most cases and earliest hit. Italy has been hard hit, and was the new epicenter and it has a lot of cases, like NY. Which is why NY is the Italy.

 

[Arkain2K]

This one is for all the Californians:

Arnold must be royally pissed when Jerry Brown undone all his hard work to prepare California for the next pandemic, all to save a measely $5.8 millions, and never restored it when the state has billions in budget surplus in recent years.

California once had mobile hospitals and a ventilator stockpile under Schwarzenegger. But Jerry Brown dismantled them.
BY LANCE WILLIAMS, WILL EVANS AND WILL CARLESS | MARCH 27, 2020

They were ready to roll whenever disaster struck California: three 200-bed mobile hospitals that could be deployed to the scene of a crisis on flatbed trucks and provide advanced medical care to the injured and sick within 72 hours.

Each hospital would be the size of a football field, with a surgery ward, intensive care unit and X-ray equipment. Medical response teams would also have access to a massive stockpile of emergency supplies: 50 million N95 respirators, 2,400 portable ventilators and kits to set up 21,000 additional patient beds wherever they were needed.

In 2006, citing the threat of avian flu, then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger announced the state would invest hundreds of millions of dollars in a powerful set of medical weapons to deploy in the case of large-scale emergencies and natural disasters such as earthquakes, fires and pandemics.

“In light of the pandemic flu risk, it is absolutely a critical investment,” he told a news conference. “I’m not willing to gamble with the people’s safety.”

The state, flush with tax revenue, soon sank more than $200 million into the mobile hospital program and a related Health Surge Capacity Initiative to stockpile medicines and medical gear for use in outbreaks of infectious disease, according to former emergency management officials and state budget records.

But the ambitious effort, which would have been vital as the state confronts the new coronavirus today, hit a wall: a brutal recession, a free fall in state revenues — and in 2011, the administration of a fiscally minded Democratic governor, Jerry Brown, who came into office facing a $26-billion deficit.

And so, that year, the state cut off the money to store and maintain the stockpile of supplies and the mobile hospitals. The hospitals were defunded before they’d ever been used.

Much of the medical equipment — including the ventilators, critical life-saving tools that are in short supply in the current pandemic — was given to local hospitals and health agencies, former health officials said. But the equipment was donated without any funding to maintain them. The respirators were allowed to expire without being replaced.

Together, these two programs would have positioned California to more rapidly respond as its COVID-19 cases exploded. The annual savings for eliminating both programs? No more than $5.8 million per year, according to state budget records, a tiny fraction of the 2011 budget, which totaled $129 billion.

“When you’re stretched, prevention and readiness, future needs — unfortunately, that’s what gets cut,” said state Sen. Richard Pan of Sacramento, chairman of the Senate Health Committee, who fought the cuts as a first-term assemblyman.

Now, many California hospitals are being forced to ration their inadequate supply of N95 masks, and hospitals are rushing to rent ventilators in anticipation of a severe shortage as COVID-19 caseloads grow. A nursing union, National Nurses United, organized a protest earlier this month over inadequate safety equipment; in a survey, only 55% of their members said they had access to N95 masks.

Preparing for a pandemic

Dr. Howard Backer spent years preparing the state for a flu pandemic and then watched it all fall apart.

Backer had worked as an emergency room physician for 25 years before becoming the state’s chief medical consultant on disaster preparedness efforts, and later associate secretary for emergency preparedness, under Schwarzenegger.

“We began doing various kinds of disaster planning around infectious agents,” he recalled. First smallpox; then anthrax; then H5N1, or bird flu; and, more broadly, “pandemic influenza.”

As part of that effort, starting in 2006, he helped develop and implement the state’s drive to stockpile emergency medical resources.

After Schwarzenegger left office, Backer was appointed by Brown to head the Emergency Medical Services Authority, the state agency overseeing the mobile hospitals, just as they were defunded.

“It’s the nearsightedness of political decision-making,” said Backer, who retired last year. “If you talked to the experts, we knew that pandemics were going to come around.”

Now, it’s here, with California under sweeping shelter-in-place orders as one of the global hotspots of the COVID-19 pandemic.

“These supplies were exactly for this scenario,” he said.

Through a spokesperson, Brown, the former governor, declined to be interviewed for this story. Officials in the state Department of Finance declined to comment. Officials with the state Public Health Department declined interviews and provided only brief written answers to some questions, declining to provide a full accounting of the stockpile.

https://www.latimes.com/california/...fornia-mobile-hospitals-ventilators?_amp=true

 

[Magooglie]

No. He went from we need them NOW to we need them for the future.

He did not know he even had them. But that's not his fault. It's not like this shit is easy

He said the need was urgent and they would need them in two weeks. He didn't say he needed them that day.

 

[HereticBD]

There is absolutely no reason to quarantine WA. While NY is in dire need of it.

There is plenty reason, and I actually agree with Biden on this one. If quarantine is the solution, you can't half ass it. The logistics are a friggin' nightmare, but without a cure, a full quarantine for a couple of weeks is probably the only solution. Otherwise, how will they ever make the argument that's it's okay to get back to normal? We'll never get out of this cycle. Since nobody without severe symptoms are being tested, there are gonna be fuck loads of people out there who are potential carriers if they open the doors up prematurely, and we'll be right back to where we are now.

It's the same deal over here, where they're talking out of both sides of their mouth, telling people to stay home and calling you selfish if you don't, but are still keeping certain "essential" businesses open like the fucking liquor store.

They gotta pick a street. Either this is the most serious virus ever, that demands drastic action to fight it, or it's not, and we should just play it by ear. They can't just keep walking this line, because it's helping nobody.

 

[SmilinDesperado]

I can agree with you there. NO ONE outside of a few Asian countries were prepared for this

And what is sad is that this virus is actually time compared to what could eventually hit us

You can never be truly prepared for random pandemics, but you need to have the basic materials in order to make an effective response.
What those Asian countries have are a national medical care system, coherent leadership/messaging, and a population that listens.

The US has a shitty healthcare system, has had incoherent messaging, information, and leadership on dealing with the virus, and that has emboldened a bunch of dumb people to be even dumber and not take it seriously.

 

[SBJJ]

No, I'm arguing with you. I didn't say Washington needs to be quarantined, I said it's the Wuhan of the US. Formerly #1 with most cases and earliest hit. Italy has been hard hit, and was the new epicenter and it has a lot of cases, like NY. Which is why NY is the Italy.

Wuhan was a death zone. They were locking people in buildings to contain the infected. It was the hardest hit area in all of China

That is not WA. Not even close.

NY is Americas Wuhan just like NY is Americas Lombardy

Wuhan is a territory/province/state/city of a larger country(China)

Same as Lombardy

Italy is a country, NY is not