Law Coronavirus the US GOV'T Response analysis Thread

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  1. PEB

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    Yes TYT but I pretty much explain the key points in my post.

    She is right you know and she should point out that fact given the dangers of coronavirus already death in the US by someone who has contracted the virus. There has been children as young as 45 days who have died from the virus and we have actual cases appearing across the Country in more and more states at a rapid rise. We need people who have dealt with actual dangerous viruses such as Ebola and SARS. I think many Republicans think the same way but are afraid of making their opinions known and recent comments by President Trump leads me to believe he may have a change of heart by the end of the week.

    Edit Point too I like Pence but he is not the man for the job. I don't think by his reactions he really wanted to be in charge of this effort because the damage is already happening.
     
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    Yeah between just smoking and HIV, Pence has a bad record administering public health (and a really bad record on science). He's not fit for this duty.

    Good time for some more Trump arguing with Trump:

     
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    How can he fix coronavirus? He doesn't even have dinner with whamen!
     
  4. MVelsor

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    They were already preemptively inept for a potential crisis like this as it is before that clown shoes cretin got installed. If this thing goes full blown pandemic, the public health and financial fallout could blow serious holes in his re-election bid.
     
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  7. Lubaolong

    Lubaolong A natural consequence of gamma radiation

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    Pence is obviously not very science literate, and republicans have historically been considered the anti-science party, but in truth, liberals are not really much better. They accept evolution and climate change, ok, but they also strongly believe in a lot of other stupid things en masse, like homeopathy, organic foods, anti-GMO, alternative med treatments, etc.
     
  8. MikeMcMann

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    Is the US prepared for this?

    As the worlds biggest market the handling of this and choices made both Pre and Post Coronavirus arrival to the US, by its officials will be key to analyse and watch to understand the impact the virus will have on the citizenry, the world Markets and beyond.

    Confidence in the leadership will lead to citizens following instructions, taking the necessary steps and the Market impact being minimized. COnfidence lost will result in the opposite.


    Pre Epidemic Preparedness:

    There was a clear belief stated by the Trump Admin as they cut preparedness that such capacity, both human and supplies, could be rebuilt quickly and on demand as needed.

    - Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response
    As it improvises its way through a public health crisis, the United States has never been less prepared for a pandemic....In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure.


    Post Epidemic Handling:

    Testing and Early Isolation are keys to minimizing. That is built around having a robust testing infrastructure to identify and then isolate the infected.

    Where does the US stand?


    • UK: 7,132 concluded tests, of which 13 positive (0.2% positivity rate). [source]
    • Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5.0% positivity rate). [source]
    • France: 762 tests, of which 17 positive, 179 awaiting results (at least 2.2% positivity rate). [source]
    • Austria: 321 tests, of which 2 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 0.6% positivity rate). [source]
    • South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4.3% positivity rate). [source]
    • United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3.1% positivity rate). [source]



    Whose in Charge:

    The History of these types of Medical Emergencies is that the top Gov't officials, The Doctors and Scientist in Charge are given unfettered access to the media and citizenry to be able to address questions, allay fears, and give precise and actionable information. Citizens take comfort in that knowing politics is not driving messaging and the information they are being given is accurate.

    Trump has changed that by putting Mike Pence (His VP) as point person and telling all gov't officials all information must funnel through him.

    Pence's only history in dealing with such issues should be of great concern to all. He is of the 'pray the "XXX" away" camp, instead of looking to science or medicine for guidance.

    Mike Pence, who enabled an HIV outbreak in Indiana, will lead US coronavirus response

    Pence has a track record of ignoring public health evidence


    Mike Pence claimed “smoking doesn’t kill” as late as 2000


    So what is the Confidence level of the Market and Citizens?

    We all know that a crisis like this or the 2008 Financial Crisis can shake markets. But confidence that there is a steady hand directing things can quickly stabilize things and allow for a much quicker return to normal. We saw that very quickly with the Obama Admin handling of the 2008 Financial Crisis which lead to the current growth and prosperity America has been enjoying for the last 12 years. Now the Trump Admin is thrown into a similar challenging environment and we will see how they handle it. If they quell fears and inspire confidence, and thus the markets stabilize and bounce back quicker or if things worsen and continue to decline due to a lack of confidence.

    The Stock Market Is In Free Fall On Coronavirus Fears. How Much Worse Will It Get?

    The U.S. stock market has officially plunged into correction territory—at the fastest rate ever recorded, suffering its worst losses since the 2008 financial crisis this week amid ongoing panic over the spreading coronavirus and its impact on the global economy.


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    These are all things that need to be watched to gauge the extent of damage the Virus will do to the US citizenry and the Markets. How much worse or better things get will be directly tied to the above.

    I'll keep updating this as things progress.
     
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    As said in an earlier dumped thread, this administration was already preemptively inept for a potential crisis like this as it is before that clown shoes cretin EFP got installed. If this thing goes full blown pandemic, the public health and financial fallout could blow serious holes into Trump's re-election bid. I'd be worried.
     
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    In the early days of such crisis how it is messaged and the public Trust can be as important as what is happening on the ground.

    Without public confidence people may not trust officials and follow instructions. It is important that those in charge are perceived as truthful and knowledgeable and open. The history of such crisis in the US is that the top scientific or medical professional typically are open to the media and public to address these questions and concerns even if the news is not always good. That inspires far more confidence typically than appointing a Politician who may fear they or their party could lose votes if THEY are seen as not handling the issue well.

    The contrast typically being regimes like China who choose to try and restrict and lock down information and make sure only the party line it discriminated thru the appointed gov't official.


    What has the US done and which direction are they going?


    Trump’s reckless coronavirus statements put the entire US at risk
    ..This morning, President Trump seems to have wished a vaccine for the new coronavirus into existence. “I think that whole situation will start working out,” he told reporters at a press conference in India. “We’re very close to a vaccine.”


    Mike Pence ‘not up to task’ of leading US coronavirus response, say experts

    ...As an aspiring congressman, Mike Pence once claimed “smoking doesn’t kill”. As governor of the midwestern state of Indiana, he faced heavy criticism for his handling of the situation when the state experienced the worst HIV crisis in its history.

    It’s a track record that meant Donald Trump’s appointment of Pence on Wednesday to lead the US response to the coronavirus was met with immediate outrage from health specialists,
     
  11. trac209

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    Who will be voting for trump period if everybody is dead amirite...
     
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    Nah. We'll see how they handle the actual outbreak as it goes, but nobody is going to be blaming the Trump administration for an economic downturn brought on by such an anomaly. It's nobodies fault. It just is what it is, and I believe most will recognize that.
     
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    yea, I like I said above I agree with this.
     
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    You’re talking about the Democratic Party here , they already blame trump for the virus as it is..
     
  15. MikeMcMann

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    Trump gutted the US READINESS as he was reflexively looking to purge anything Obama put in place. Trump's position was that the US cold get rid of readiness and instead react in and 'On Demand' way as any Pandemics or things like that came up.

    Trump Has Sabotaged America’s Coronavirus Response

    ...For the United States, the answers are especially worrying because the government has intentionally rendered itself incapable. In 2018, the Trump administration fired the government’s entire pandemic response chain of command, including the White House management infrastructure. ..

    ...Building on the Ebola experience, the Obama administration set up a permanent epidemic monitoring and command group inside the White House National Security Council (NSC) and another in the Department of Homeland Security (DHS)—both of which followed the scientific and public health leads of the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and the diplomatic advice of the State Department...

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    But that’s all gone now.

    In the spring of 2018, the White House pushed Congress to cut funding for Obama-era disease security programs,...


    What is the VERY REAL result of Trump gutting READINESS?

    We see it play it out in testing blunders writ large in real time as the US now scrambles to play catch up and fix errors on the fly as the pressures mount...

    • UK: 7,132 concluded tests, of which 13 positive (0.2% positivity rate). [source]
    • Italy: 9,462 tests, of which 470 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 5.0% positivity rate). [source]
    • France: 762 tests, of which 17 positive, 179 awaiting results (at least 2.2% positivity rate). [source]
    • Austria: 321 tests, of which 2 positive, awaiting results: unknown (at least 0.6% positivity rate). [source]
    • South Korea: 66,652 tests with 1766 positives 25,568 awaiting results (4.3% positivity rate). [source]
    • United States: 445 concluded tests, of which 14 positive (3.1% positivity rate). [source]
     
  16. MVelsor

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    What's sad is that some legit TDS folks around the interwebs and such will actually be rooting for death and recession in hope of that. It's pretty unconscionable, and I've already lost waaay too much money in the last couple of weeks as it is.

    It does seem to disproportionately take out older folks.

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    Young Conservative blood better step up.
     
  17. PEB

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    First off the insane comment that Democrats wish people to die is a strawman in the worst way. How about Democrats want someone other then Pence "who'es history is sh&t on dealing with infections diseases running the show.
     
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    Well yeah, but that's just blatantly dishonest desperation. I do find it kind of amusing that the left might get the recession they've been praying for, but they can't even realistically blame it on Trump.

    Even when the shit they hope for happens, there's always something shielding Trump from responsibility. LOL.
     
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    It kind of goes both ways. Conservatives, Christians and Republicans were valorizing and cheering the death of hundreds of thousands when the AIDS crisis was ramping up. The US Government itself literally laughed as it is did nothing for years.
     
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    They knew about the coronavirus over 2 months ago and the administration has yet to make concrete steps to address the issues other then rain tweets about the big bad democrats. He even put a nearly 30 year man Anthony Fauci raised questions about his status and he had to twist his message and filled the room with bull shit. "We have to align our message with others in the administration" I never heard him make such a statement in over 30 freaking years.


    https://www.mediaite.com/news/trump...navirus-hoax-comments-dr-fauci-being-muzzled/
     

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