Comparing DJ and Silva's 10 title defenses

so the days of people saying Anderson fought in a weak MW division are over?
 
I'd maybe put Kyoji Horiguchi as the hardest opponent of all their defences. Tougher then Benavidez, Hendo, Dodson, and Vitor. I just don't see anyone other then DJ beating him at 125. I expect he'll become a legend in Japan soon.
 
Claude said:
Anderson is my boy, but MM puts his career to shame:

Anderson's competition:

2-10 Alexander Otsuka
0-1 Caneiro
2-7 Waldir dos Anjos
10-6 Curtis Stout
4-7 Daiju Takase (loss by domination)
7-4 Chonan (loss)

All of these fights were after Silva was ranked #1 WW.

Overmatched/Undersized:

LW's

1-0 Camoes
Azeredo (loss)
5-4 Fontinelle
1-1 Pinheiro
Kato
Sakurai (small WW that later became a LW)

WW's

0-1 Barreto
12-6 Newton
0-3 Albuquerque

Mid/low tier in the UFC:

Stephan Bonnar
James Irvin
Patrick Cote
Thales Leites
Travis Lutter
Chris Leben
Nick Diaz (WW)

What they did before fighting Silva:

*Lutter had no top wins
*Cote had no top wins
*Marquardt had no top wins
*Vitor had no top wins at 185. Was coming off an injury and layoff of a year and a half. Was not on TRT
*Leites earned his shot by getting beat up but winning by deducted points against Marquardt
*Maia came 1-1 in his last 2, with a recent loss by KO in under a minute
*Henderson, coming off a loss at LHW. Also lost his last MW fight against Misaki.
*Okami only had 2 top wins
*Sonnen had 9 losses when he fought Anderson the 1st time, 3 losses in the UFC
*Franklin, champion of a very weak division, only defended his belt twice against Loiseau and Quarry. Took the belt from Tanner.
*Forrest coming off a loss

Silva's division was full of guys who couldn't cut it at 205:

Bisping - never ranked at LHW- MW champ
Boetsch - never ranked at LHW- reached #5 at MW
Munoz - never ranked at LHW- reached #3 at MW
Stann - never ranked at LHW- Top 10 at MW
Sonnen - 1-3 at LHW- reached #2 at MW
Vitor - Lost 6 of his last 8 Pride and UFC LHW fights. Went to MW and became Top 10 again

A division that granted top rankings very easily:

Michael Bisping becomes #8 MW after two wins over unranked opponents:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-38355

Then gets bumped from #8 to top 5 after a loss.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-40091

Anderson ducked more fighters than MM and anyone in MMA history:

-Ducked elite time proven LHW's during his time at the top (only fought 2 cans and a tailor made ex champion who was coming off a brutal loss. He fought Cormier when he was no longer champion and was on a losing streak)
-Ducked Weidman in 2012 (took time off to avoid him, then returned as soon as Chris got injured. Tried to fight other people). Was finally forced to fight him when he had not option left.
-Ducked Shogun
-Ducked Jones citing weight class difference, while calling out GSP
-Was reluctant to rematch Chael
-Ducked Yoel and Rockhold not long ago, while still asking for Nick Diaz

And the cherry on the cake:

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Says the stupid ass hater. Get fucked.
 
Why are people even comparing win streaks in such disparate weight classes? This would be the equivalent of comparing Japanese baseball records to MLB ones.
 
Unfinished Sentenc said:
Who fought the better competition?

DJ:
Dodson x2, Benavidez, Horiguchi, cejudo, bagautinov, moraga, Elliot, reis, cariaso

Or

Silva:
Belford, Henderson, sonnen x2, Maia, marquardt, griffin, Leithes, cote, franklin
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Vitor, Rich and Forrest are UFC champions. Good fighters, good records, nobody can contest that.
Henderson is a guy who fought the best of the best. Clearly a skilled fighter.
Maia is one of the best grapplers in MMA. Also a good record.
Cote, Leithes are good fighters also.
Nate and Sonnen, altough they used PEDs, have good records. I know some people don't think Sonnen is a good fighter, but he has wins over some champions and he almost beat Silva in their first fight.


Now... Mighty Mouse.
I've heard of benvidez and Dodson.
That Horiguchi guy has an impressive record.
The problem is that flyweight is probably the weakest division in UFC, by far.


So, Silva is my pick. His career was tainted by 3 things:
- his stupid, stupid loss to Weidman. When taunting goes wrong, you get KTFO;
- he was caught with PEDs;
- his decision to remain in MMA, when it's clearly that he will fuck up his record. Still, better than BJ Penn.

MM career was not tainted by anything. And no, the refusal to fight TJ is a logical one. TJ never fought at FW and suddently he wants a shot at the title.
But, but... he is champion in the weakest division who can easily be dissolved and added to BW.

So... Silva...
 
5Rounder said:
Right, which is why Travis Fulton's the greatest fighter of all time.
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We are talking about two UFC champions and the defenses of titles here, as you are well aware.
What titles has Fulton held?
Which orgs has he competed in?

Ever hear of Mike Tyson or Ali?
 
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mkt said:
By your logic, fighters should just go to regional shows like Travis Fulton and Dan Severn did--and win over 100 fights.

It's about both quantity and quality, and always has been.
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This is not my logic, this is how you choose to twist what I have said.
We are talking about two UFC champions and the defenses of titles here, as you are well aware.
If you think you are being clever by talking about my logic, you are fooling no one.

The org and the titles count, but the rest will be lost in the sands of time.
Nobody will know what the orgs are.

Who has Ali or Tyson fought?
Who cares at this point, but their status is cememted.
 
Unfinished Sentenc said:
Who fought the better competition?

DJ:
Dodson x2, Benavidez, Horiguchi, cejudo, bagautinov, moraga, Elliot, reis, cariaso

Or

Silva:
Belford, Henderson, sonnen x2, Maia, marquardt, griffin, Leithes, cote, franklin
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Anderson. THere are no all-time-great midgets.

The problem with the lower weights is that they can hit each other all day with little damage. Anderson had to fight a lot of guys with one-punch knockout power.
 
Claude said:
Anderson is my boy, but MM puts his career to shame:

Anderson's competition:

2-10 Alexander Otsuka
0-1 Caneiro
2-7 Waldir dos Anjos
10-6 Curtis Stout
4-7 Daiju Takase (loss by domination)
7-4 Chonan (loss)

All of these fights were after Silva was ranked #1 WW.

Overmatched/Undersized:

LW's

1-0 Camoes
Azeredo (loss)
5-4 Fontinelle
1-1 Pinheiro
Kato
Sakurai (small WW that later became a LW)

WW's

0-1 Barreto
12-6 Newton
0-3 Albuquerque

Mid/low tier in the UFC:

Stephan Bonnar
James Irvin
Patrick Cote
Thales Leites
Travis Lutter
Chris Leben
Nick Diaz (WW)

What they did before fighting Silva:

*Lutter had no top wins
*Cote had no top wins
*Marquardt had no top wins
*Vitor had no top wins at 185. Was coming off an injury and layoff of a year and a half. Was not on TRT
*Leites earned his shot by getting beat up but winning by deducted points against Marquardt
*Maia came 1-1 in his last 2, with a recent loss by KO in under a minute
*Henderson, coming off a loss at LHW. Also lost his last MW fight against Misaki.
*Okami only had 2 top wins
*Sonnen had 9 losses when he fought Anderson the 1st time, 3 losses in the UFC
*Franklin, champion of a very weak division, only defended his belt twice against Loiseau and Quarry. Took the belt from Tanner.
*Forrest coming off a loss

Silva's division was full of guys who couldn't cut it at 205:

Bisping - never ranked at LHW- MW champ
Boetsch - never ranked at LHW- reached #5 at MW
Munoz - never ranked at LHW- reached #3 at MW
Stann - never ranked at LHW- Top 10 at MW
Sonnen - 1-3 at LHW- reached #2 at MW
Vitor - Lost 6 of his last 8 Pride and UFC LHW fights. Went to MW and became Top 10 again

A division that granted top rankings very easily:

Michael Bisping becomes #8 MW after two wins over unranked opponents:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-38355

Then gets bumped from #8 to top 5 after a loss.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-40091

Anderson ducked more fighters than MM and anyone in MMA history:

-Ducked elite time proven LHW's during his time at the top (only fought 2 cans and a tailor made ex champion who was coming off a brutal loss. He fought Cormier when he was no longer champion and was on a losing streak)
-Ducked Weidman in 2012 (took time off to avoid him, then returned as soon as Chris got injured. Tried to fight other people). Was finally forced to fight him when he had not option left.
-Ducked Shogun
-Ducked Jones citing weight class difference, while calling out GSP
-Was reluctant to rematch Chael
-Ducked Yoel and Rockhold not long ago, while still asking for Nick Diaz

And the cherry on the cake:

quote-when-you-use-the-steroids-you-use-them-for-a-long-time-when-you-use-the-steroids-for-anderson-silva-106-85-31.jpg
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The difference is I know every fighter you posted on this list. I only know two of DJ's opponents...
 
Both guys resumes involved beating a bunch of cans tbh, when Anderson went on his run 185lb divisio nwas the cheapest division in the ufc, see alot of similarities between the two.
 
anderson obviously.
 
Claude said:
Anderson is my boy, but MM puts his career to shame:

Anderson's competition:

2-10 Alexander Otsuka
0-1 Caneiro
2-7 Waldir dos Anjos
10-6 Curtis Stout
4-7 Daiju Takase (loss by domination)
7-4 Chonan (loss)

All of these fights were after Silva was ranked #1 WW.

Overmatched/Undersized:

LW's

1-0 Camoes
Azeredo (loss)
5-4 Fontinelle
1-1 Pinheiro
Kato
Sakurai (small WW that later became a LW)

WW's

0-1 Barreto
12-6 Newton
0-3 Albuquerque

Mid/low tier in the UFC:

Stephan Bonnar
James Irvin
Patrick Cote
Thales Leites
Travis Lutter
Chris Leben
Nick Diaz (WW)

What they did before fighting Silva:

*Lutter had no top wins
*Cote had no top wins
*Marquardt had no top wins
*Vitor had no top wins at 185. Was coming off an injury and layoff of a year and a half. Was not on TRT
*Leites earned his shot by getting beat up but winning by deducted points against Marquardt
*Maia came 1-1 in his last 2, with a recent loss by KO in under a minute
*Henderson, coming off a loss at LHW. Also lost his last MW fight against Misaki.
*Okami only had 2 top wins
*Sonnen had 9 losses when he fought Anderson the 1st time, 3 losses in the UFC
*Franklin, champion of a very weak division, only defended his belt twice against Loiseau and Quarry. Took the belt from Tanner.
*Forrest coming off a loss

Silva's division was full of guys who couldn't cut it at 205:

Bisping - never ranked at LHW- MW champ
Boetsch - never ranked at LHW- reached #5 at MW
Munoz - never ranked at LHW- reached #3 at MW
Stann - never ranked at LHW- Top 10 at MW
Sonnen - 1-3 at LHW- reached #2 at MW
Vitor - Lost 6 of his last 8 Pride and UFC LHW fights. Went to MW and became Top 10 again

A division that granted top rankings very easily:

Michael Bisping becomes #8 MW after two wins over unranked opponents:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-38355

Then gets bumped from #8 to top 5 after a loss.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-40091

Anderson ducked more fighters than MM and anyone in MMA history:

-Ducked elite time proven LHW's during his time at the top (only fought 2 cans and a tailor made ex champion who was coming off a brutal loss. He fought Cormier when he was no longer champion and was on a losing streak)
-Ducked Weidman in 2012 (took time off to avoid him, then returned as soon as Chris got injured. Tried to fight other people). Was finally forced to fight him when he had not option left.
-Ducked Shogun
-Ducked Jones citing weight class difference, while calling out GSP
-Was reluctant to rematch Chael
-Ducked Yoel and Rockhold not long ago, while still asking for Nick Diaz

And the cherry on the cake:

quote-when-you-use-the-steroids-you-use-them-for-a-long-time-when-you-use-the-steroids-for-anderson-silva-106-85-31.jpg
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lol biggest bullshit post ive seen on sherdog
 
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