Comparing DJ and Silva's 10 title defenses

[Tactitus]

Easily Anderson.

Half the guys Johnson defended against are unknowns.

 

[savemgs]

Judah, Gatti, Marquez, Pacman, Canelo, Mosley, Castillo, Conor (trollface), Berto, Maidana x2, Cotto, Ortiz, Hatton, off the top of my head. Floyd has fought some elite fighters. He was excellent at doing it at the right time, under the right circumstances though.

So making people cut down to weight divisions they never competed in. Then waiting into people past their Prime.
By the way that's not a criticism of Mayweather that's boxing all together

 

[120wrestling]

Lol anderson by a country mile. Does Johnson even have a win over a former champ?

That's an EXTREMELY idiotic way of basing things. He's the ONLY champion in his division. Even at Bantamweight, he only fought two of MMA's longest reigning and most dominant BW Champs. Miguel Torres and Dominick Cruz who were both retardedly bigger than him. Oh and he beat one of them

 

[El General]

That's an EXTREMELY idiotic way of basing things. He's the ONLY champion in his division. Even at Bantamweight, he only fought two of MMA's longest reigning and most dominant BW Champs. Miguel Torres and Dominick Cruz who were both retardedly bigger than him. Oh and he beat one of them

Speaking of overrated, miguel torres. People were telling me that guy was a p4p great too.

 

[clutchCAT420]

Dj is a joke of a champion. He should move up and test himself like Andy did. Plus djs wins are against CaNs. The guy who won the tuf contest only had a few wks to prepare after a brutal tournament and almost beat DJ. Give him a fullcamp and a rematch.

 

[MitMcl]

Not even comparable.

 

[Krixes]

Anderson beat straight up studs....

DJ beat up a bunch of guys....

 

[yookfarb]

Anderson is my boy

you literally just wrote a little essay trashing him didn't even address MM let go of the bitterness in your heart

 

[TewPoint0]

Lol anderson by a country mile. Does Johnson even have a win over a former champ?

He doesn't let anyone else become a champ to begin with.

 

[120wrestling]

Speaking of overrated, miguel torres. People were telling me that guy was a p4p great too.

Well, during his prime he was the most dominant champ in MMA with a crazy 32-1 record. Still a top 5 all time BW

 

[fightfan84]

All facts, playboy.

Not facts. For one vitor has stated he was on trt for the vitor fight. Another one is lutter winning the tuf come back show so earn that fight. He was on a career high at that point. Down playing hendo? Lol serious I don't even need to touch that one. I could keep going but it's pointless cause you are super bias

 

[Claude]

Not facts. For one vitor has stated he was on trt for the vitor fight. Another one is lutter winning the tuf come back show so earn that fight. He was on a career high at that point. Down playing hendo? Lol serious I don't even need to touch that one. I could keep going but it's pointless cause you are super bias

Lost me there. That is absolutely false. Here, allow me to educate you on the subject:

Keith Kizer, executive director of the Nevada Athletic Commission, stated that Vitor Belfort did not use TRT in his fight against Anderson Silva at UFC 126. He also showed Vitor's pre-fight medical questionnaire, in which he indicates he wasn't on any medication.

http://nagradedomma.blogosfera.uol.com.br/2013/05/24/cabmma-explica-processo-de-liberacao-de-uso-de-trt-de-belfort-no-brasil/

Post fight drug tests came back clean, confirming Vitor wasn't on TRT:

http://www.mmamania.com/2011/2/14/1993167/ufc-126-drug-test-results-come-back-clean-for-silva-vs-belfort-on-feb

Vitor himself says he started taking TRT after the fight with Anderson:

Q: When did you start with the (TRT) treatment exactly?
Vitor: It was after the fight with Anderson (february 2011)

http://sportv.globo.com/site/combate/noticia/2013/07/belfort-espera-de-spider-x-weidman-tentaram-tudo-para-me-tirar-e-liquidei.HTML

The ONLY source that claims Vitor was on TRT during his fight with Anderson is an article in which the writer assumes that Vitor was using it because he said in an interview that he had been taking it for “3 years” and since Vitor’s fight with Silva happened almost 3 years before that interview, the writer simply assumed he was already on TRT.

Here’s the misleading article:

However, Belfort revealed in an interview to UOL that he was already on the testosterone replacement therapy when he fought Silva, back in 2011.

"Ive (been doing this) for three years," Belfort said. "I did some exams and they saw I had low testosterone levels. The doctor said “Vitor, we need to do something. I don’t know if you agree with this, but it’;s important that you do it.”; And it was done.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2013/10/...ould-accept-to-stop-trt-for-shot-at-the-title

Note that there’s no direct quote from Vitor saying he was on TRT, it was just the writer assuming that. As shown above, Vitor himself has clarified he was not on TRT at the time and so has the NSAC director. Most Anderson Silva fans who claim Vitor was on TRT will post this article, either by ignorance or dishonesty.

Picture comparison of TRT Vitor with pre TRT Vitor:

Bottom line:

As proven by several reliable sources Vitor was not on TRT when he fought Anderson Silva. Fanboys might claim Vitor was still on roids but the same can be said about Anderson, who is also a proven steroid user. Not only Vitor was not on TRT, but he was also coming off 16 months of inactivity and a shoulder surgery, which means he was rusty and his momentum was gone.

Anderson might have fought one of the worst versions of Vitor, pre TRT.

Cheers, playboy.

 

[kalabula]

Anderson is my boy, but MM puts his career to shame:

Anderson's competition:

2-10 Alexander Otsuka
0-1 Caneiro
2-7 Waldir dos Anjos
10-6 Curtis Stout
4-7 Daiju Takase (loss by domination)
7-4 Chonan (loss)

All of these fights were after Silva was ranked #1 WW.

Overmatched/Undersized:

LW's

1-0 Camoes
Azeredo (loss)
5-4 Fontinelle
1-1 Pinheiro
Kato
Sakurai (small WW that later became a LW)

WW's

0-1 Barreto
12-6 Newton
0-3 Albuquerque

Mid/low tier in the UFC:

Stephan Bonnar
James Irvin
Patrick Cote
Thales Leites
Travis Lutter
Chris Leben
Nick Diaz (WW)

What they did before fighting Silva:

*Lutter had no top wins
*Cote had no top wins
*Marquardt had no top wins
*Vitor had no top wins at 185. Was coming off an injury and layoff of a year and a half. Was not on TRT
*Leites earned his shot by getting beat up but winning by deducted points against Marquardt
*Maia came 1-1 in his last 2, with a recent loss by KO in under a minute
*Henderson, coming off a loss at LHW. Also lost his last MW fight against Misaki.
*Okami only had 2 top wins
*Sonnen had 9 losses when he fought Anderson the 1st time, 3 losses in the UFC
*Franklin, champion of a very weak division, only defended his belt twice against Loiseau and Quarry. Took the belt from Tanner.
*Forrest coming off a loss

Silva's division was full of guys who couldn't cut it at 205:

Bisping - never ranked at LHW- MW champ
Boetsch - never ranked at LHW- reached #5 at MW
Munoz - never ranked at LHW- reached #3 at MW
Stann - never ranked at LHW- Top 10 at MW
Sonnen - 1-3 at LHW- reached #2 at MW
Vitor - Lost 6 of his last 8 Pride and UFC LHW fights. Went to MW and became Top 10 again

A division that granted top rankings very easily:

Michael Bisping becomes #8 MW after two wins over unranked opponents:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-38355

Then gets bumped from #8 to top 5 after a loss.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-40091

Anderson ducked more fighters than MM and anyone in MMA history:

-Ducked elite time proven LHW's during his time at the top (only fought 2 cans and a tailor made ex champion who was coming off a brutal loss. He fought Cormier when he was no longer champion and was on a losing streak)
-Ducked Weidman in 2012 (took time off to avoid him, then returned as soon as Chris got injured. Tried to fight other people). Was finally forced to fight him when he had not option left.
-Ducked Shogun
-Ducked Jones citing weight class difference, while calling out GSP
-Was reluctant to rematch Chael
-Ducked Yoel and Rockhold not long ago, while still asking for Nick Diaz

And the cherry on the cake:

Quality post. But we can't be sure MM has never used PED's. Everyone is and should be suspect.

 

[JayE]

Judah, Gatti, Marquez, Pacman, Canelo, Mosley, Castillo, Conor (trollface), Berto, Maidana x2, Cotto, Ortiz, Hatton, off the top of my head. Floyd has fought some elite fighters. He was excellent at doing it at the right time, under the right circumstances though.

People say stuff like this all time, but rarely do they expand on or truly clarify what they mean.

 

[BigGing]

Lost me there. That is absolutely false. Here, allow me to educate you on the subject:

Jesus Christ dude. How many hate essays have you done on Anderson?


Cheers, playboy.

 

[NoContest]

Anderson also juiced. Him fighting anyone that juiced makes it nothing more than a fair fight.

But then he popped.

Who juiced as much as him

Exactly, still better than DJ.

 

[Toner]

DJ is a coward, Anderson is a GOAT

 

[gosuasus]

Lol anderson by a country mile. Does Johnson even have a win over a former champ?

Being a former champion at the moment of the fight means nothing. I am watching how skillful fighter (opponent) is in each title defence.

 

[Xaero]

I pick the guy who didn't get caught with PEDs

 

[Maori]

Anderson is my boy, but MM puts his career to shame:

Anderson's competition:

2-10 Alexander Otsuka
0-1 Caneiro
2-7 Waldir dos Anjos
10-6 Curtis Stout
4-7 Daiju Takase (loss by domination)
7-4 Chonan (loss)

All of these fights were after Silva was ranked #1 WW.

Overmatched/Undersized:

LW's

1-0 Camoes
Azeredo (loss)
5-4 Fontinelle
1-1 Pinheiro
Kato
Sakurai (small WW that later became a LW)

WW's

0-1 Barreto
12-6 Newton
0-3 Albuquerque

Mid/low tier in the UFC:

Stephan Bonnar
James Irvin
Patrick Cote
Thales Leites
Travis Lutter
Chris Leben
Nick Diaz (WW)

What they did before fighting Silva:

*Lutter had no top wins
*Cote had no top wins
*Marquardt had no top wins
*Vitor had no top wins at 185. Was coming off an injury and layoff of a year and a half. Was not on TRT
*Leites earned his shot by getting beat up but winning by deducted points against Marquardt
*Maia came 1-1 in his last 2, with a recent loss by KO in under a minute
*Henderson, coming off a loss at LHW. Also lost his last MW fight against Misaki.
*Okami only had 2 top wins
*Sonnen had 9 losses when he fought Anderson the 1st time, 3 losses in the UFC
*Franklin, champion of a very weak division, only defended his belt twice against Loiseau and Quarry. Took the belt from Tanner.
*Forrest coming off a loss

Silva's division was full of guys who couldn't cut it at 205:

Bisping - never ranked at LHW- MW champ
Boetsch - never ranked at LHW- reached #5 at MW
Munoz - never ranked at LHW- reached #3 at MW
Stann - never ranked at LHW- Top 10 at MW
Sonnen - 1-3 at LHW- reached #2 at MW
Vitor - Lost 6 of his last 8 Pride and UFC LHW fights. Went to MW and became Top 10 again

A division that granted top rankings very easily:

Michael Bisping becomes #8 MW after two wins over unranked opponents:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-38355

Then gets bumped from #8 to top 5 after a loss.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-40091

Anderson ducked more fighters than MM and anyone in MMA history:

-Ducked elite time proven LHW's during his time at the top (only fought 2 cans and a tailor made ex champion who was coming off a brutal loss. He fought Cormier when he was no longer champion and was on a losing streak)
-Ducked Weidman in 2012 (took time off to avoid him, then returned as soon as Chris got injured. Tried to fight other people). Was finally forced to fight him when he had not option left.
-Ducked Shogun
-Ducked Jones citing weight class difference, while calling out GSP
-Was reluctant to rematch Chael
-Ducked Yoel and Rockhold not long ago, while still asking for Nick Diaz

And the cherry on the cake:

Since this is all fact nobody on sherhack will listen