Comparing DJ and Silva's 10 title defenses

[Unfinished Sentenc]

Who fought the better competition?

DJ:
Dodson x2, Benavidez, Horiguchi, cejudo, bagautinov, moraga, Elliot, reis, cariaso

Or

Silva:
Belford, Henderson, sonnen x2, Maia, marquardt, okami, Leithes, cote, franklin

 

[wilKO]

Anderson...

Who the hell has DJ fought outside of Dodson and Benevidez???

Anderson has wins over all time greats. MM doesn't have a single win over an all time great.

 

[Soul On Ice]

Anderson

The artistry in how he did it was also levels above MM.

 

[El General]

Lol anderson by a country mile. Does Johnson even have a win over a former champ?

 

[Claude]

Anderson is my boy, but MM puts his career to shame:

Anderson's competition:

2-10 Alexander Otsuka
0-1 Caneiro
2-7 Waldir dos Anjos
10-6 Curtis Stout
4-7 Daiju Takase (loss by domination)
7-4 Chonan (loss)

All of these fights were after Silva was ranked #1 WW.

Overmatched/Undersized:

LW's

1-0 Camoes
Azeredo (loss)
5-4 Fontinelle
1-1 Pinheiro
Kato
Sakurai (small WW that later became a LW)

WW's

0-1 Barreto
12-6 Newton
0-3 Albuquerque

Mid/low tier in the UFC:

Stephan Bonnar
James Irvin
Patrick Cote
Thales Leites
Travis Lutter
Chris Leben
Nick Diaz (WW)

What they did before fighting Silva:

*Lutter had no top wins
*Cote had no top wins
*Marquardt had no top wins
*Vitor had no top wins at 185. Was coming off an injury and layoff of a year and a half. Was not on TRT
*Leites earned his shot by getting beat up but winning by deducted points against Marquardt
*Maia came 1-1 in his last 2, with a recent loss by KO in under a minute
*Henderson, coming off a loss at LHW. Also lost his last MW fight against Misaki.
*Okami only had 2 top wins
*Sonnen had 9 losses when he fought Anderson the 1st time, 3 losses in the UFC
*Franklin, champion of a very weak division, only defended his belt twice against Loiseau and Quarry. Took the belt from Tanner.
*Forrest coming off a loss

Silva's division was full of guys who couldn't cut it at 205:

Bisping - never ranked at LHW- MW champ
Boetsch - never ranked at LHW- reached #5 at MW
Munoz - never ranked at LHW- reached #3 at MW
Stann - never ranked at LHW- Top 10 at MW
Sonnen - 1-3 at LHW- reached #2 at MW
Vitor - Lost 6 of his last 8 Pride and UFC LHW fights. Went to MW and became Top 10 again

A division that granted top rankings very easily:

Michael Bisping becomes #8 MW after two wins over unranked opponents:
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdog-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-38355

Then gets bumped from #8 to top 5 after a loss.
http://www.sherdog.com/news/rankings/4/Sherdogs-Official-Mixed-Martial-Arts-Rankings-40091

Anderson ducked more fighters than MM and anyone in MMA history:

-Ducked elite time proven LHW's during his time at the top (only fought 2 cans and a tailor made ex champion who was coming off a brutal loss. He fought Cormier when he was no longer champion and was on a losing streak)
-Ducked Weidman in 2012 (took time off to avoid him, then returned as soon as Chris got injured. Tried to fight other people). Was finally forced to fight him when he had not option left.
-Ducked Shogun
-Ducked Jones citing weight class difference, while calling out GSP
-Was reluctant to rematch Chael
-Ducked Yoel and Rockhold not long ago, while still asking for Nick Diaz

And the cherry on the cake:

 

[yookfarb]

Isn't it obvious?

 

[SuperNerd]

This thread is recreated and re-branded every hour or so.

 

[qw3rty]

High Tier:
MM: Dodson, Benavidez, Horiguchi
AS: Franklin, Belfort, Henderson

Medium Tier:
MM: Cejudo, Elliot *
AS: Sonnen, Maia **, Marquardt

Low Tier:
MM: Bagautinov, Cariaso, Moraga, Reis
AS: Leites, Cote, Okami

* You could say Elliot was low tier but he was on a nice winning streak (Titan and TUF)
** Maia was tailor made for Silva, that's why I didn't put him at high tier

Winner: Silva

 

[Soul On Ice]

Anderson should be sitting a 11 too

Fook that weight-missing playboi

We counting it

 

[Toner]

Anderson has 11 title defenses.

 

[NoContest]

Anderson destroyed 3 LHWs who juiced on top of the fighters on that list and Okami who you forgot.

 

[chinarice]

Silva.

 

[Karelinator]

Lol anderson by a country mile. Does Johnson even have a win over a former champ?

That's a bit like saying that Aldo doesn't have wins over former UFC champions...


And besides, yes, DJ has wins over former Flyweight, (or higher weight) champs.

McCall, Benavidez, Reis, Elliot

 

[BigMuffler]

High Tier:
MM: Dodson, Benavidez, Horiguchi
AS: Franklin, Belfort, Henderson

Medium Tier:
MM: Cejudo, Elliot *
AS: Sonnen, Maia **, Marquardt

Low Tier:
MM: Bagautinov, Cariaso, Moraga, Reis
AS: Leites, Cote, Okami

* You could say Elliot was low tier but he was on a nice winning streak (Titan and TUF)
** Maia was tailor made for Silva, that's why I didn't put him at high tier

Winner: Silva

Solid analysis but I wouldn't say Maia was tailor made for Silva considering Silva's TDD is often considered a weak point, also I would put Okami at mid tier he did beat Marquardt didn't he?

 

[Phronimos]

How does this matter?

How many of Floyd's 50 wins can you name?

At the end of the day the record is all that matters.

 

[pookiyama]

Legacy title challenger Tier:
AS: Henderson, Belfort
MM: N/A

High level title challnger Tier:
AS: Franklin, Marquardt, Super Steroid Sonnen
MM: Dodson

Medium level title challenger Tier:
AS: Sonnen, Maia, Okami,
MM: Benavidez, Horiguchi, Bagautinov, Cejudo

Low level title challenger tier:
AS: Cote, Lietes,
MM: Moraga, Elliot

Should not count towards the record at all, as they had no business fighting for a title.
AS: Lutter
MM: Cariaso, Reis, Borg

 

[Headkicktoleg]

Most of mighty mouse's list I only recognize because they are on a list of guys might mouse has beat.

 

[5Rounder]

How does this matter?

How many of Floyd's 50 wins can you name?

At the end of the day the record is all that matters.

Right, which is why Travis Fulton's the greatest fighter of all time.

 

[mkt]

How does this matter?

How many of Floyd's 50 wins can you name?

At the end of the day the record is all that matters.

By your logic, fighters should just go to regional shows like Travis Fulton and Dan Severn did--and win over 100 fights.

It's about both quantity and quality, and always has been.

 

[chefa]

That's a bit like saying that Aldo doesn't have wins over former UFC champions...


And besides, yes, DJ has wins over former Flyweight, (or higher weight) champs.

McCall, Benavidez, Reis, Elliot

It's not like saying that at all because Aldo has a wins over Edgar who is a former champion