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[HereticBD]

I don't think Donald Trump cares about anything buy loyalty, but its base definitively has some serious double standards going on.

LOL. Or maybe, just maybe, your assertion is retarded and is so easily provably false.

It is cute how you've set up a no win scenario. You say they're saying that all women and minorities are DEI hires, but if they're not, it's because they have double standards. Definitely not because you're simply just wrong, though. Can't be that.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

So you started this thread off by admonishing the use of "DEI" (or rather, what you think DEI is), and finished this thread by saying that the only qualification that's important is that Trump picks who he wants most?

i didn't say trump choosing his pick like that is good. just like dei isn't good, i don't think this is good either.

but that's how the choice is being made. in this case, the "merit" is simply to be the guy trump wants.

he's like that black lady in the supreme court now. being chosen because she fit biden's policies.

 

[heloder]

i didn't say trump choosing his pick like that is good. just like dei isn't good, i don't think this is good either.

but that's how the choice is being made. in this case, the "merit" is simply to be the guy trump wants.

he's like that black lady in the supreme court now. being chosen because she fit biden's policies.

But the thing is...not only is Dan Caine not qualified for the job, but you're saying that he just needs to be able to do "what Donald Trump wants".

But Donald Trump is even less qualified for the job. By a vast margin.

This isn't a job listing for an errand boy we're talking about. It's the nation's highest ranking military officer. Qualifications for this role exist for a reason. The chairman isn't there to take and relay orders from the President. He's there to advise the President and the rest of the chain of command. Do you not understand that? Putting someone who is not qualified in this position compromises our national security.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

But the thing is...not only is Dan Caine not qualified for the job, but you're saying that he just needs to be able to do "what Donald Trump wants".

But Donald Trump is even less qualified for the job. By a vast margin.

there's no qualification required for the position of president outside of winning the actual vote. and trump did that, therefore he's qualified.

This isn't a job listing for an errand boy we're talking about. It's the nation's highest ranking military officer. Qualifications for this role exist for a reason. The chairman isn't there to take and relay orders from the President. He's there to advise the President and the rest of the chain of command. Do you not understand that? Putting someone who is not qualified in this position compromises our national security.

Well the last dude spent a lot of time pushing for diversity and inclusion bs. doesn't sound like anything vital for the military, just ideological horseshit. if i recall, people joining the military was down in part of the woke direction the higher-ups were taking. that's like directly affecting national interests by pushing ideology that lowers your recruitment pool through people not wanting to join up. hell, trump did the army a favor, looks like. this new dude can focus on things that actually matter.

 

[Loiosh]

yeah but it can be easily debated against in a merit-based hiring environment.
while with DEI active, you simply cannot do that.

DEI doesn't push undeserving people into roles, it works to remove racist policies that exclude minorities from the selection pool.

Removing DEI serves to undermine meritocracy, not ensure it.

I get why straight white men hate it, and there are legitimate criticisms that can be made. Shame that the visceral hatred of it reeks of racism.

Minorities have been discriminated against since the beginning of time. Any time someone tries to make it an actual meritocracy, straight white men call it racist. You saying it would be more fair by removing an approach working to make it more fair is challenging, how would you recommend we ensure the "meritocracy"? Let white people keep making all the decisions and hope they aren't biased?

 

[essie]

well it is based on merit, the merit in this case being what trump needs.

Why is it okay for Trump to hire a white man so unqualified for this position that he needs a waiver from the president to qualify but Democrats hiring black men isn't? If you take merit to mean what the person doing the hiring wants, which is what you just said, then wouldn't all the people that were hired through DEI programs hired based on merit too? As in the people doing the hiring wanted to create an environment of diversity, equity and inclusion? Trump is appointing talk show hosts, conspiracy cranks, wives of pro wrestling promoters, alcoholics, and antisemites to positions of power but we never hear that those people weren't hired based on merit.

I agree with your sentiment that generally presidents appoint people that will serve their agenda. I really don't have an issue with that. I just think hiding behind the idea that pushing back on DEI has anything to do with merit is hilarious considering the people Trump surrounds himself with. Just be honest and call it segregation.

there's no qualification required for the position of president outside of winning the actual vote. and trump did that, therefore he's qualified.

Biden won the vote so I guess all the people he hired weren't DEI either, right?

 

[Rod1]

so easily provably false.

Prove it then.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

Why is it okay for Trump to hire a white man

lol. stopped reading right here.

 

[Rod1]

Why is it okay for Trump to hire a white man so unqualified for this position that he needs a waiver from the president to qualify but Democrats hiring black men isn't? If you take merit to mean what the person doing the hiring wants, which is what you just said, then wouldn't all the people that were hired through DEI programs hired based on merit too? As in the people doing the hiring wanted to create an environment of diversity, equity and inclusion? Trump is appointing talk show hosts, conspiracy cranks, wives of pro wrestling promoters, alcoholics, and antisemites to positions of power but we never hear that those people weren't hired based on merit.

I agree with your sentiment that generally presidents appoint people that will serve their agenda. I really don't have an issue with that. I just think hiding behind the idea that pushing back on DEI has anything to do with merit is hilarious considering the people Trump surrounds himself with. Just be honest and call it segregation.


Biden won the vote so I guess all the people he hired weren't DEI either, right?

 

[Loiosh]

pushing ideology that lowers your recruitment pool through people not wanting to join up. hell, trump did the army a favor, looks like. this new dude can focus on things that actually matter.

There are many reasons enlistment has been down (for forty years now), can you link me to a study that demonstrates that ideology is one of them?

In 2024 the US army met their recruiting goal and predicted they would again in 2025.

 

[Rod1]

lol. stopped reading right here.

You and me know you didn't.

 

[essie]

lol. stopped reading right here.

Well that makes it easier, I'm sure.

 

[Crazy Source]

But the thing is...not only is Dan Caine not qualified for the job, but you're saying that he just needs to be able to do "what Donald Trump wants".

But Donald Trump is even less qualified for the job. By a vast margin.

This isn't a job listing for an errand boy we're talking about. It's the nation's highest ranking military officer. Qualifications for this role exist for a reason. The chairman isn't there to take and relay orders from the President. He's there to advise the President and the rest of the chain of command. Do you not understand that? Putting someone who is not qualified in this position compromises our national security.

No. No he does not, in any way, shape, or form, understand that.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

You and me know you didn't.

i did. that's how i manage the war room. i don't read quotes from people i think are worthless. there's like 10 quotes from people in this very thread i haven't read nor do i plan to. there's people that are quoting me for years and i never read their posts cause they're irrelevant. it's forum hygiene. works great for me.

 

[essie]

It strikes me as remarkable that the phrase "white man" could upset someone so much that they stop reading something altogether. I thought liberals were the ones who were supposed to be triggered by such things?

 

[heloder]

there's no qualification required for the position of president outside of winning the actual vote. and trump did that, therefore he's qualified.

You're not getting it. I wasn't referring to the office of the presidency. You said the chairman needs to "do what the President says". In other words, he will be Trump's proxy as chairman of the joint chiefs. Trump is not qualified to advise the chairman of the joint chiefs of anything. He has never even served in the military. The chairman is supposed to advise him, not the other way around.

 

[Fox by the Sea]

You're not getting it. I wasn't referring to the office of the Presidency. You said the chairman needs to "do what the President says". In other words, he will be Trump's proxy as chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Trump is not qualified to advise the chairman of the joint chiefs of anything. He has never even served in the military. The chairman is supposed to advise him, not the other way around.

ok. in this case i think the fired guy just got too involved in the diversity inclusion side of the force and couldn't be saved, since there's a bunch of people getting fired from the military for doing the DEI dance. hell, trump hired the guy, if he was ideologically aligned to this second presidency trump, i'm sure trump wouldn't have given a shit and kept him on. but the order of the day seems to be - out with anything DEI.

i think that's all there is to it.

 

[HereticBD]

DEI doesn't push undeserving people into roles, it works to remove racist policies that exclude minorities from the selection pool.

What racist policies? It's not the 60's, bruh.

 

[AWilder]

lol. stopped reading right here.

lol, what a pussy. painted himself into a corner

 

[Rod1]

i did. that's how i manage the war room.

Whatever makes you feel better about yourself man, you walked right into that one.