International 'Cerberus' Heatwave Threatens to Break Records in Southern Europe

[BearGrounds]

Exxon conducted their studies in the 70s and 80s before climate consciousness was an issue, so I'm not sure what you're talking about, could you explain please?

The harvard study exxon prediction paper was a slight temp increase. Show how that temp increase means the end of the world.

Also, Gore was talking about this stuff in the 70/80s.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

The harvard study exxon prediction paper was a slight temp increase. Show how that temp increase means the end of the world.

Also, Gore was talking about this stuff in the 70/80s.

What kind of sources would you trust in the outlining of slight temperature increases?

I'd ping you a bunch, but I've a feeling I'd be wasting my time.

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

The harvard study exxon prediction paper was a slight temp increase. Show how that temp increase means the end of the world.

Also, Gore was talking about this stuff in the 70/80s.

Where did I say it was the literal end of the world? Exxon knew about man made climate change back in July 1977, when its senior scientist James Black said:

“In the first place, there is general scientific agreement that the most likely manner in which mankind is influencing the global climate is through carbon dioxide release from the burning of fossil fuels,"

Black told Exxon’s management committee. A year later he warned Exxon that doubling CO2 gases in the atmosphere would increase average global temperatures by two or three degrees, a number that is consistent with the scientific consensus today.

So why did Exxon scientists, against their own companies product and agenda come to these conclusions after their studies? The easiest answer I can give is, because that's what the data is showing! Or do you have a conspiracy theory for this?

 

[chardog]

All of you Conservatives should be the ones most concerned about climate change because it’s going to lead to climate migrants. People will mass migrate if it hits 130F on the regular.

As if it takes the climate to do this, people have been migrating to greener pastures since the existence of time.

 

[Deleted member 585708]

right, that claim has been made for decades, while overlooking simple facts, millions die every year due to the cold, far more than famine AND heat related deaths combined.

but what about the storm <Lmaoo>

There's a link between extreme weather phenomena and global warming.

Unfortunately, that means that while winters might generally be milder, the chances of a more extreme winter occurring increase. These will be more occasional, but much worse.

Celebrating that more people die in cold weather therefore who cares about global warming ain't where it's at.

 

[chardog]

There's a link between extreme weather phenomena and global warming.

Unfortunately, that means that while winters might generally be milder, the chances of a more extreme winter occurring increase. These will be more occasional, but much worse.

Celebrating that more people die in cold weather therefore who cares about global warming ain't where it's at.

you did start this thread with extreme heat causing death. I'm going to isolate exactly one issue before moving to the next.

Global warming is based on prediction, the results are based on predictions.

You have two choices.

A. Global warming will lead to an overall higher amounts of death per year.

or

B. Global warming will lead to an overall reduction in the amount of deaths per year.

are you so certain the answer is A?

 

[Deleted member 585708]

you did start this thread with extreme heat causing death. I'm going to isolate exactly one issue before moving to the next.

Global warming is based on prediction, the results are based on predictions.

You have two choices.

A. Global warming will lead to an overall higher amounts of death per year.

or

B. Global warming will lead to an overall reduction in the amount of deaths per year.

are you so certain the answer is A?

Yes, almost certainly.

The extreme weather phenomena we've experienced is the tip of the iceberg, and the danger is it hitting unprepared regions with Arctic conditions that aren't anticipated/prepared for (polar winds), as well as increasing risk of natural disasters - particularly from the sea. An overall rise in temperature is also a really dismal prospect.

The best analysis I've read focuses on death by a thousand cuts rather than a single great apocalypse.

Temperature and wind, for example, are inseparable. Wind can fuck up a large area pretty severely pretty quickly.

 

[Senzo Tanaka]

Conservatives lose me on being so anti-climate change. It feels like such tribal dogma. Libs think climate change is real so they have to oppose it at all costs and even act like it’s a conspiracy.

Granted, Libs haven’t helped by making ridiculous and bold fear monger predictions that haven’t come true.

It has always seemed pretty clear to me. Yes, climate is cyclical but there has also been a significant rise in temp since the Industrial Revolution. Do these people think you can just burn coal and fuel without consequences? Our climate and atmosphere is fragile.

Climate change affects everyone and while I personally think it’s mostly too late, I don’t see the harm in wanting cleaner air and less dependence on oil and gas. Just don’t go extreme with it.

 

[LeonardoBjj]

From Algeria to Syria, heatwaves scorch Middle East, North Africa
Wildfires are raging, authorities are having to issue advisory warnings, and some places facing power cuts.

Temperatures are soaring worldwide, reaching scorching levels, with the Middle East and North Africa (MENA) far from spared.

Temperatures in some parts of the MENA region are currently the highest in the world, with several countries breaking records, prompting the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) to issue a warning.

“Temperatures in North America, Asia, and across North Africa and the Mediterranean will be above 40C [104F] for a prolonged number of days this week as the heatwave intensifies,” the WMO said in a statement on Tuesday.

“These are not your normal weather systems of the past. You have to do climate repair to change it,” said WMO’s senior extreme heat adviser, John Nairn.

Wildfires are raging across the region, authorities are having to issue advisory warnings, and many places are facing power cuts.

Algeria

In Algeria, five states were listed as places with the highest temperatures in the world in recent days, according to El Dorado Weather, which keeps a log of daily temperature extremes, some of those breaking records.

Basma Belbagaoui, an expert on the country’s environment and climate change, said some of these regions are seeing temperatures as high as 51C (123.8F) due to “low atmospheric pressure” which has led to the “formation of a heat dome”.

Authorities have raised the level of alert to the maximum in light of the record-high temperatures.

Palestine

In the besieged Gaza Strip, a heatwave has worsened power outages, igniting scorn among residents against authorities.

The Palestinian Authority, which pays for the electricity feed from Israel, is placing the blame on the group Hamas that runs Gaza, saying they are the ones responsible for collecting electricity revenues.

More than 2.3 million people live in the narrow strip wedged between Egypt and Israel and have been under a 16-year-long Israeli blockade that some rights groups call an open-air prison. It normally suffers from power cuts for up to 12 hours a day.

Syria

Wildfires raged across the central Syrian countryside as temperatures reached 40C (104F) in some parts.

Fires broke out in the Hama and Homs provinces. Some families had to flee their villages due to the wildfires, local media reported.

The SANA news agency reported that temperatures in the country were on average up to 6C (10.8F) higher on Tuesday, with active gusts and “very hot clouds”.

Lebanon

Fires have also been raging in Lebanon’s mountainous and green forested areas, particularly in the area known as Wadi Jahannam or Valley of Hell, in a remote area of North Lebanon.

The Lebanese army managed to put out the fires with helicopters and its fighting teams, as many occurred along slopes and rugged areas, burning a large number of fir and cedar trees, and turning parts of the forest to ashes.

“There is a fear of reaching a state of drought that will negatively affect the agricultural sector and livestock,” the Lebanese Ministry of Agriculture warned this past week, saying it is a ramification of the heatwave.

Tunisia

Tunisia is witnessing a record heatwave for the second week in a row, with temperatures in the capital of Tunis reaching 49C (120.2F).

Meteorologist Hamdi Hashad told Al Jazeera that the heatwave in Tunisia cannot be viewed in isolation from the rest of the world.

He explained that the temperatures in the areas bordering the Mediterranean are 5C (9F) above normal temperatures.

Jordan

Jordan’s capital Amman saw a temperature of 39C (102.2F) on Wednesday, while the highest temperature in the kingdom was recorded in the Ghor al-Safi region, at above 46C (114.8F).

The Meteorological Department advised citizens to drink plenty of fluids, avoid direct sun, and wear light clothing and hats, especially for high school students currently sitting for exams.

Forest fires also raged in northern Jordan, in the cities of Ajloun and Jerash, as aircraft and about 178 tonnes of water were used to control them.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023...ria-heatwaves-scorch-middle-east-north-africa

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Conservatives lose me on being so anti-climate change. It feels like such tribal dogma. Libs think climate change is real so they have to oppose it at all costs and even act like it’s a conspiracy.

Granted, Libs haven’t helped by making ridiculous and bold fear monger predictions that haven’t come true.

It has always seemed pretty clear to me. Yes, climate is cyclical but there has also been a significant rise in temp since the Industrial Revolution. Do these people think you can just burn coal and fuel without consequences? Our climate and atmosphere is fragile.

Climate change affects everyone and while I personally think it’s mostly too late, I don’t see the harm in wanting cleaner air and less dependence on oil and gas. Just don’t go extreme with it.

- To be fair people that really care about climate change, dont start fires when rioting.

Greenhouse effect thanks them.

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

- To be fair people that really care about climate change, dont start fires when rioting.

Greenhouse effect thanks them.

Do you think this is clever ?

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Do you think this is clever ?

- No. But don't you agree that huges fires contribute to greenhouse effect?
I've been a annoying eco nuts since watching Spielvan and Jacques Cousteau.

I'm on mother nature side!
Hope thats my previous post doesn't ruin our bro-mance thought!

 

[BlankaPresident]

Desertification of the world is a very small price to own the libs. Plus you're all fat anyway, who needs more crops?

Suck it, dicaprios!

 

[LeonardoBjj]

With millions of Americans having been under extreme heat alerts over the past few weeks, authorities have also urged pet owners to take caution when bringing their pets outside.

“When the air temp. is 86°F, the asphalt temp. is 135°F. To find out if the ground is too hot for your pet, place your hand on the pavement for 10 seconds. If it’s too hot for you, it’s too hot for your pet!” the Federal Emergency Management Agency said on Wednesday.

Dehydration signs to look for in dogs include dark urine, lack of skin elasticity, dry, sticky gums and dry nose, as well as sunken and dry eyes.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...red-alert-italy-greece-athens-fires-wildfires

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

- No. But don't you agree that huges fires contribute to greenhouse effect?
I've been a annoying eco nuts since watching Spielvan and Jacques Cousteau.

I'm on mother nature side!
Hope thats my previous post doesn't ruin our bro-mance thought!

Sure but those aren't big fires are they, so far this year Canadian wildfires have burned an area larger than lakes Erie, Ontario and Michigan combined

Yes that's a record and there's alot of summer left
https://www-bnnbloomberg-ca.cdn.amp...-erie-ontario-and-michigan-combined-1.1946769

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Sure but those aren't big fires are they, so far this year Canadian wildfires have burned an area larger than lakes Erie, Ontario and Michigan combined

Yes that's a record and there's alot of summer left
https://www-bnnbloomberg-ca.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canadian-wildfires-have-burned-an-area-larger-than-lakes-erie-ontario-and-michigan-combined-1.1946769.amp.html?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQIUAKwASCAAgM=#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16897879213154&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/canadian-wildfires-have-burned-an-area-larger-than-lakes-erie-ontario-and-michigan-combined-1.1946769

- They're still irresponsible fires.

Thousands of acres of blackened wasteland show the climate crisis is very real - and it's getting worse
This is a harrowing time for those living on the frontline of this unfolding disaster in Greece - with many feeling the authorities have been too slow to act.

Alex Rossi
International correspondent

The speed these fires are spreading is truly frightening.

As we approach the village of Kandili from Athens a haze of dirty smoke starts clouding the horizon.

In the open air, the simple act of breathing feels uncomfortable and flakes of ash pepper our clothes.

The wildfires have now been burning for a few days and in some places they've destroyed people's homes.

For those living on the frontline of this unfolding disaster it is a harrowing time.

We meet Stella, who's just been told to leave her property in Kandili in the town of Mandra, an outer suburb of Athens.

She's disorientated and fearful of what comes next.

"I haven't slept. Look, look at what's happening. I haven't slept in two days because I knew the fire was coming over here. I could see it, I could feel it. We haven't slept we have all spent the whole night outside," she tells me.

The emergency response is now gearing up across this region.

As the flames get nearer to the settlements the sound of police and fire sirens whine near continuously over the crackling fires.

The air is thick with a choking smoke.

There's unsurprisingly an urgency now in the response - the police have issued evacuation orders for people to leave.

A heating Earth is increasing the frequency of these wildfires.

In Kandili and across the Mandra area they're trying to dampen the flames and create firebreaks in the earth with bulldozers to stop the flames leaping to the next area of brush.

But, it is often hopeless with the amount of resources they have; the strong gusty winds fuelling an inferno which in many places is out of control.

So far, it's mainly been forest and farmland that's been consumed by the flames but that may not remain the case for long.

Like many of the residents in Kandili, Manolis thinks the authorities have been slow to act.

"It was only at nine in the morning that just one helicopter flew over. If they acted sooner, they might have saved more."

Containing the fires though in an area that is bone dry from back-to-back heatwaves is near impossible, when one fire is put out another starts.

Thousands of acres of land have so far been turned into a blackened wasteland.

The Greek government is now asking the EU for more assistance to help the nation's firefighters deal with this emergency.

Here the climate crisis is very real and it's getting worse.

https://news.sky.com/story/thousand...s-is-very-real-and-its-getting-worse-12923739

 

[AnGrYcRoW]

Four simultaneous heat domes break major records across the globe


Since it's summer in the Northern Hemisphere, there's nothing out of the ordinary about it being hot in this section of the globe. The ridges responsible for these heat domes are a typical configuration of our atmosphere, but it is their intensity that is surprising.

Another factor that fuels the phenomena is the length of the heat episodes. The southwestern United States, for example, has been experiencing excessively hot temperatures for several weeks. Under the dome, the atmosphere stagnates, which allows the heat to intensify.


https://www.theweathernetwork.com/e...at-domes-break-major-records-across-the-globe

 

[Voodoo_Child906]

Four simultaneous heat domes break major records across the globe


Since it's summer in the Northern Hemisphere, there's nothing out of the ordinary about it being hot in this section of the globe. The ridges responsible for these heat domes are a typical configuration of our atmosphere, but it is their intensity that is surprising.

Another factor that fuels the phenomena is the length of the heat episodes. The southwestern United States, for example, has been experiencing excessively hot temperatures for several weeks. Under the dome, the atmosphere stagnates, which allows the heat to intensify.


https://www.theweathernetwork.com/e...at-domes-break-major-records-across-the-globe

Every degree increase in temp will bring a few billion more gallons of water into the atmosphere. I'm no expert, but I'm guessing that could change a few things in the earths water cycle and climate patterns across the globe. Extra water vapor also accelerates warming even more, so bonus!

 

[K1levelgrappler]

 

[emefer]

With millions of Americans having been under extreme heat alerts over the past few weeks, authorities have also urged pet owners to take caution when bringing their pets outside.

“When the air temp. is 86°F, the asphalt temp. is 135°F. To find out if the ground is too hot for your pet, place your hand on the pavement for 10 seconds. If it’s too hot for you, it’s too hot for your pet!” the Federal Emergency Management Agency said on Wednesday.

Dehydration signs to look for in dogs include dark urine, lack of skin elasticity, dry, sticky gums and dry nose, as well as sunken and dry eyes.

https://www.theguardian.com/environ...red-alert-italy-greece-athens-fires-wildfires

Saw some dude carrying his dog home the other day. Today I saw a squirrel dig a shallow hole under the holly tree and lay in it.