Wrestling Catch Wrestling United

[TheHereticJay]

CACC is starting to pickup a bit of a following in China. Next month they're having a nogi sub only competition in Shanghai that they're labeling as a Catch Wrestling competition.

 

[Title Fight Productions]

In talks with a gym near Calgary right now, they're wanting to get me helping out and maybe running their grappling program (as its mostly kickboxing focused right now). Lets see if in the next 6 months or so we can have a CACC school in south west Alberta!

Nice! What's your Catch background?

 

[catchwrestling]

Catch Wrestling needs USA Wrestling support.

Exactly

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Trademark catch from Barnett last night. You can say he has done judo, BJJ etc but if you know anything about catch, then it was text book performance from Josh last night.

 

[rmongler]

CACC is starting to pickup a bit of a following in China. Next month they're having a nogi sub only competition in Shanghai that they're labeling as a Catch Wrestling competition.

i wouldent call it catch unless it is sub+pins,

 

[KJGould]

CACC is starting to pickup a bit of a following in China. Next month they're having a nogi sub only competition in Shanghai that they're labeling as a Catch Wrestling competition.

Who's running it? If Qin Yunquan is getting over to Shanghai to host it, it could be a subs and pins event.

 

[Supereem]

Not exactly. It's not just starting from the feet that makes CACC more painful and violent than BJJ. All of the banned moves in BJJ are just part of normal CACC curriculum like spine locks, neck cranks, hip locks, body chokes, head chokes, heel hooks, neck locks, short arm scissors, muscle slicers, in addition to all of the other submissions that are legal in BJJ. A lot of the set ups hurt more as well. The other thing that differs from BJJ is its philosophy and emphasis, which is on doing damage. BJJ's philosophy is "Keep it playful" and "Jiut Jitsu for everyone." Hope you can see the difference.

Oh and I've trained with Cobrina, Xande, Shawn Williams, Marcelo Garcia, Renzo Gracie and I walked out of all those places with not a single bruise on me. Arte Suave, indeed.

That keep it playful shit is a marketing gimmick of Rorians sons.

I started at a Carlson school and it was anything but soft. Most bjj schools, especially from that lineage are just as painful as catch, spine locks or not.

 

[Title Fight Productions]

That keep it playful shit is a marketing gimmick of Rorians sons.

I started at a Carlson school and it was anything but soft. Most bjj schools, especially from that lineage are just as painful as catch, spine locks or not.

Yeah, I train at a Carlson school now. Old school instructor (5 strip BB). Gave Vitor his Blue I think and it's a rough gym.............. But not rough like the Catch gym I used to train at and that was even a little "watered down" from what I would suspect a real grinding Catch gym would be like.

 

[Voided_Warranty]

BJJ is a tough sport, anyone who denies this is dumb. Catch is also hard nosed but in that typical "just get on it with" type of way. There is a mentality in wrestling that if the refs do not see it, it's legal. That's how it was when I wrestled in folkstyle wrestling in highschool and college.

At the BJJ school I go to now, when I first started I rolled like I wrestled, that is, a lot of riding, cross faces etc and my instructor had to pull me aside and tell me to ease it back a bit. It is not a knock against BJJ or anything, it was just the mentality of the people in the gym who were doing it more as a hobby, which I am too but I was still in that kill or be killed wrestling mindset. I still am, but I only let it out when the people I am rolling with are down with it. It was jerkish of me to assume everyone who grapples also has that mindset.

 

[Supereem]

BJJ is a tough sport, anyone who denies this is dumb. Catch is also hard nosed but in that typical "just get on it with" type of way. There is a mentality in wrestling that if the refs do not see it, it's legal. That's how it was when I wrestled in folkstyle wrestling in highschool and college.

At the BJJ school I go to now, when I first started I rolled like I wrestled, that is, a lot of riding, cross faces etc and my instructor had to pull me aside and tell me to ease it back a bit. It is not a knock against BJJ or anything, it was just the mentality of the people in the gym who were doing it more as a hobby, which I am too but I was still in that kill or be killed wrestling mindset. I still am, but I only let it out when the people I am rolling with are down with it. It was jerkish of me to assume everyone who grapples also has that mindset.

From my experience high end competition bjj schools have a similar mentality. They need to train hard in order to excel to the top. I'm sure rolling with buchecha and the like is a nightmare.

I've had plenty of broken ligaments, teeth, fingers , toes from jiujitsu. There is nothing soft about that.

Yes, the catch specific moves do hurt like hell when applied but so do kimuras that go too far or rolling with any sort of spaz, regardless of style.

I just feel the whole tough and painful catch angle screams of insecurity. Instead of focusing on the brilliant and unique aspect of catch techniques it gets devalued by tough guy bullshit.

Do we watch Sakuraba because his style looks painful or because it's of awe inspiring application against other high end grapplers? Did we watch him and think "oh this looks painful!" Or did we see a unique approach and philosophy that is different to bjj by it's approach to grappling? For me, pain and toughness had little to do with it. Grappling a always going to hurt.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

I like BJJ and Catch. To me the difference is that in BJJ, you entangle and entrap your opponent like a boa, slowly sucking the life out of them until they are out or something breaks.

I relate catch to more like a gorilla or bear. Right at you, in your face and wearing you down with pressure, and ripping and tearing at things and ready to get dirty.

Both are wonderful approaches and I don't see why you can't have both. But most of what I know about "catch" actually comes from working with pro wrestlers and friends who wrestled on the indy circuit who learned to "hook and shoot" in the event guys would get out of line or risk your safety by deviating from script and shooting on you.

 

[Supereem]

I like BJJ and Catch. To me the difference is that in BJJ, you entangle and entrap your opponent like a boa, slowly sucking the life out of them until they are out or something breaks.

I relate catch to more like a gorilla or bear. Right at you, in your face and wearing you down with pressure, and ripping and tearing at things and ready to get dirty.

Both are wonderful approaches and I don't see why you can't have both. But most of what I know about "catch" actually comes from working with pro wrestlers and friends who wrestled on the indy circuit who learned to "hook and shoot" in the event guys would get out of line or risk your safety by deviating from script and shooting on you.

Honestly you would know more about catch than half the people in this thread. That is legit exposure.

 

[Big Nasty Edison]

Honestly you would know more about catch than half the people in this thread. That is legit exposure.

I've been trying to get one of them who worked the indies for like five years to show me some stuff to compliment the no gi sub wrestling I've been doing but he's too busy with his wife now. She made him retire because she didn't want him getting hurt or caught up in the lifestyle after too many years. If you looked at the guy who would think he was a total wuss.

 

[Voided_Warranty]

From my experience high end competition bjj schools have a similar mentality. They need to train hard in order to excel to the top. I'm sure rolling with buchecha and the like is a nightmare.

I've had plenty of broken ligaments, teeth, fingers , toes from jiujitsu. There is nothing soft about that.

Yes, the catch specific moves do hurt like hell when applied but so do kimuras that go too far or rolling with any sort of spaz, regardless of style.

I just feel the whole tough and painful catch angle screams of insecurity. Instead of focusing on the brilliant and unique aspect of catch techniques it gets devalued by tough guy bullshit.

Do we watch Sakuraba because his style looks painful or because it's of awe inspiring application against other high end grapplers? Did we watch him and think "oh this looks painful!" Or did we see a unique approach and philosophy that is different to bjj by it's approach to grappling? For me, pain and toughness had little to do with it. Grappling a always going to hurt.

I was not attacking BJJ at all, you seem to be taking everything personally, I was just saying that at the school I was at, I went too hard because I was a jerk. Some BJJ schools aren't competition oriented, some are. I am trying to find a more competition oriented BJJ school but being in Omaha, it's been kind of fruitless.

Catch is not better for me, nor is BJJ, I would prefer to keep my wrestling base and just add submissions to it, but if the BJJ school is the best place to learn, I'll use it. You don't have to basically go in every time someone has the temerity to claim that CACC is awesome or the best and smack them down. Who cares? Rulesets makes fights. we all know this. Who gives a fuck.

 

[German Supplex]

From my experience high end competition bjj schools have a similar mentality. They need to train hard in order to excel to the top. I'm sure rolling with buchecha and the like is a nightmare.

I've had plenty of broken ligaments, teeth, fingers , toes from jiujitsu. There is nothing soft about that.

Yes, the catch specific moves do hurt like hell when applied but so do kimuras that go too far or rolling with any sort of spaz, regardless of style.

I just feel the whole tough and painful catch angle screams of insecurity. Instead of focusing on the brilliant and unique aspect of catch techniques it gets devalued by tough guy bullshit.

I don't think you quite grasp the difference between being a reckless spazz who injures people and technical moves that inflict a lot of pain and damage.

For instance when Barnett put his shin across Lister's ankle/calf when he was on Lister turtling up. That is a very minor detail, but it hurts like hell. Or when Barnett was head-scissoring Lister, cranking his neck as he was attacking with a Double Wristlock and you saw Lister wince in pain. There are other pain inflicting/uncomfortable details that compliment other techniques that are not submissions in and of themselves. They are focused and technical. They are not the same as injuring someone from being a spazz.

 

[Title Fight Productions]

Barnett speaks via Facebook.

Last Saturday at Metamoris was a very proud moment for me for a lot of reasons.
Firstly, I am so proud in being able to win the Heavyweight title in the name of all my coaches and for all of Catch Wrestling. I chose to walk out there in the classic attire of the old school pro wrestlers from which I trace my lineage to respect and honor those whom I dedicate this match: the late Billy Robinson and Karl Gotch.
The plain black trunks I wore, the robe, and the black boots are in homage to another one of my mentors: Antonio Inoki. Even the towel I had (Which had Inoki's poem "The Road" on it in Kanji) is in respect to Inoki-san.
I couldn't have performed to the best of my abilities without the help of my coach Erik Paulson and the grueling practices and coaching from Jacob Harmon; My training partners (Especially Erik Hammer and Babalu) who pushed me throughout camp and made me fight every day; and Dan Panosian for being willing to get up early and lift me all those days.
Dean Lister is a man I was proud to get the chance to just wrestle with let alone claim a victory over. He is a great wrestler and great guy. I have known and respected Dean for many years and with as much admiration as I have for him, it was a necessity that I got out there and wrestled him at some point in my life. He made me work for anything I got and was always working to set me up for something on the mat out there. I had to wrestle smart and at my best to not end up tapping the mat against such a dangerous grappler.
Lastly, thank you for the persistence and desire to have me wrestle on your show Ralek. Thank you to Metamoris all the people who worked the show. Thank you to James Law and Scott Hirano for their amazing photos. And thank you to all who came to support, watched, and cheered us on out there. It makes us as wrestlers happy to leave all out on the mat for you all.

 

[TheHereticJay]

Barnett is a great dude and very humble. I'd love for the chance to sit down and play a few games of MtG with the bloke... only chance I have at beating him in something

 

[brollikk]

I don't think you quite grasp the difference between being a reckless spazz who injures people and technical moves that inflict a lot of pain and damage.

For instance when Barnett put his shin across Lister's ankle/calf when he was on Lister turtling up. That is a very minor detail, but it hurts like hell. Or when Barnett was head-scissoring Lister, cranking his neck as he was attacking with a Double Wristlock and you saw Lister wince in pain. There are other pain inflicting/uncomfortable details that compliment other techniques that are not submissions in and of themselves. They are focused and technical. They are not the same as injuring someone from being a spazz.

I've purposely put myself under north south where a guy MY weight tried leg scissors, and whatnot. It really doesn't hurt too bad, and in fact is quite easy to escape because having both knees on the ground takes away from his base. Barnett was hurting Lister because he had like 45++ lbs on him, not because that was an efficient move.

Putting your shin across other peoples legs is also common in many other grappling arts including BJJ. We just don't circle jerk about how "painful" and "violent" it is. So fucking cringe-worthy to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/user/IFGvideos/videos

Take a look at this channel to watch a gym full of catch wrestlers compete in no gi tournaments. A lot of them have 5+ years of full time training. I don't know about you guys, but it doesn't look very impressive to me.

 

[_Glorfindel_]

I've purposely put myself under north south where a guy MY weight tried leg scissors, and whatnot. It really doesn't hurt too bad, and in fact is quite easy to escape because having both knees on the ground takes away from his base. Barnett was hurting Lister because he had like 45++ lbs on him, not because that was an efficient move.

Putting your shin across other peoples legs is also common in many other grappling arts including BJJ. We just don't circle jerk about how "painful" and "violent" it is. So fucking cringe-worthy to be honest.

https://www.youtube.com/user/IFGvideos/videos

Take a look at this channel to watch a gym full of catch wrestlers compete in no gi tournaments. A lot of them have 5+ years of full time training. I don't know about you guys, but it doesn't look very impressive to me.

I tap people with leg scisor , maybe your friend need an instructional on leg scisor?

 

[Title Fight Productions]

I've purposely put myself under north south where a guy MY weight tried leg scissors, and whatnot. It really doesn't hurt too bad, and in fact is quite easy to escape because having both knees on the ground takes away from his base. Barnett was hurting Lister because he had like 45++ lbs on him, not because that was an efficient move.

I disagree with this wholeheartedly. The leg cissor from NS while attacking the Kimura is one of my instructors go to that he teaches a lot. He is a 5 strip BB from Carlson Gracie and is about 160lbs and he crushes you with it.

Maybe your partner just isn't doing it right........