Wrestling Catch Wrestling United

ChainFlow said:
Do you start beginners with ground fighting, not takedowns?
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Keep in mind that we are a mma gym. we are open 5 evening a week plus saturday morning. Each day as his theme.

Monday: kick boxing
Tuesday: cacc, sub wrestling
Wednesday: mma
Thursday: cacc, sub wrestling
Friday: open mat, with coachs to answer question.
Saturday: open mat

Takedowns, usually, we start with the old double leg with knee down (shoot), but for the first few class they dont finish it to the ground. They have to practice ukemi first. Then, blast double, lateral drop, etc.

On the ground, we start with 'the clock', a positional drill (head and arm, kata gatame, full mount, side mount), subs came later, from those position etc.

Same thing with striking, i will not let noobs strike at each other in the first few class, they have to learn a couples of things first.

EVERYTHING is mma oriented.
 
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Josh Barnett said:
Since this is the Catch Wrestling thread here I thought I would share this with you all.

CSW has two Catch Wrestlers trying to gather funds to travel and compete in the FILA World Grappling championships in Hungary this October. They won their divisions for the US World Team trials but it's a self funded competition.

Please take a look here and anything you guys can do to spread the word of help out is appreciated. Plus this is an opportunity to help grow Catch's legitimacy and showcase it to more potential practitioners.

Thanks

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/colleen-and-laura-wrestle-the-world

Josh
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Clicked the link, watched the video, donated some money.


That girl in orange got down.
 
KJGould said:
You did, it's called takedowns from the knees.
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exactly that.

Josh Barnett said:
In this we have a difference in philosophy/opinion.
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then i noticed the comment by Erik.
only beginners class start from the knees.

Barnett replied me

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nohomark said:
didn't dan just beat you at your own game and now you have to leave?
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I believe I requested all of those fighters I listed to have declared themselves catch wrestlers prior to the date I posted that bet with TFP. Go back and re-read if you must. What is the date of that message between Dan and Hallman?
 
KJGould said:
I believe I requested all of those fighters I listed to have declared themselves catch wrestlers prior to the date I posted that bet with TFP. Go back and re-read if you must. What is the date of that message between Dan and Hallman?
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yeah you were right, i'm guessing he has to leave then, i don't mind him but he has no right to be posting wrestling videos when he doesn't even know how to shoot
 
KJGould said:
I believe I requested all of those fighters I listed to have declared themselves catch wrestlers prior to the date I posted that bet with TFP. Go back and re-read if you must. What is the date of that message between Dan and Hallman?
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http://themmacorner.com/2012/07/17/bryan-caraway-looks-to-put-an-end-to-bullying-and-mitch-gagnon-at-ufc-149/



he looks very strong admitted Caraway of his opponent. Honestly I think I hold the advantage everywhere besides maybe pure physicality. I think I have better technical Catch Wrestling, Better technical jiu-Jitsu, I think my striking is more technical.
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Interesting order he mentions those disciplines in huh................:icon_surp
 
I'm kind of tired of the who's a cacc'er or not debate, wr look as tardish as bjj'er and their linenage obsession. ..

Can you make a thread only about who's a cacc'er and give us fucking brake?
 
_Glorfindel_ said:
Call me a retard, but all my noobs are starting from their knee, i usually suggest starting from a 'real' position (side, mount, guard , all four etc) but i will not let beginner starting on their feets when they have no control and no ukemi.
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Starting from guard or side control or mount or whatever isn't starting from the knees, it's positional sparring and totally legit. But I do think putting anyone, even two beginners on their knees facing each other is silly. Ukemi is one of the most useful skills you can learn in the martial arts, why wouldn't you teach that before people started sparring? I can also understand not letting beginners roll against each other, but if you have an advanced student and a beginner what's the problem with starting on the feet? It happens all the time in Judo and wrestling with no ill effects, why not in sub grappling/BJJ/CACC?
 
_Glorfindel_ said:
I'm kind of tired of the who's a cacc'er or not debate, wr look as tardish as bjj'er and their linenage obsession. ..

Can you make a thread only about who's a cacc'er and give us fucking brake?
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This is a Catch thread, most these guys I mention have a very similar catch lineage as I do and are influenced by this lineage as I am. Most all like myself also have BJJ as an influence. But there shouldn't be an issue of me mentioning fighters who have pretty obvious influence and lineage to Catch on a CACC thread without being debated and argued with because it doesn't fit into one guys view of who can and who can't be mentioned in regards to Catch history and influence!

You don't hear me saying so and so isn't legit or isn't this or that. I simply say things like "hey this guy is fighting on the big stage in this promotion and he has some history and influence and lineage to Catch".

I'm not claiming any of these guys as Catch only or whatever, just suggesting there influence and history with it.
 
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Maybe there's some value to starting on the knees if they're working specifically on the short offense? Like working a front headlock series to either get back to standing from a scramble, or get to the back, for example.
 
KJGould said:
Maybe there's some value to starting on the knees if they're working specifically on the short offense? Like working a front headlock series to either get back to standing from a scramble, or get to the back, for example.
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Again, I would say that's positional sparring because you're starting in a specific position with the intent of working that position. I think that's a great idea, I do it all the time, and front headlock is a fine position to start from. But starting from neutral on the knees is just unrealistic and wastes time. The only thing it's useful for is handfighting, but it's no more useful for that than standing.
 
I get chastised a bit on here for this but I don't mind the starting from the knees. I like working knee taps, duck unders, arm drags, wizzers, head and arms, rolling into attacks, etc. It's not as great as standing but it's also less hard knocks and that's ok sometimes. I also really like to start rolls off from bad positions and starting from the knees lends itself to this method........ :/
 
Title Fight Productions said:
I get chastised a bit on here for this but I don't mind the starting from the knees. I like working knee taps, duck unders, arm drags, wizzers, head and arms, rolling into attacks, etc. It's not as great as standing but it's also less hard knocks and that's ok sometimes. I also really like to start rolls off from bad positions and starting from the knees lends itself to this method........ :/
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I just pull guard every time. Then you're not knee wrestling, you're playing guard. The downside is that the kind of guards you get into starting from the knees are different than the kind you get if you or the other guy pull from standing, but it's better than knee wrestling.
 
Uchi Mata said:
Starting from guard or side control or mount or whatever isn't starting from the knees, it's positional sparring and totally legit. But I do think putting anyone, even two beginners on their knees facing each other is silly. Ukemi is one of the most useful skills you can learn in the martial arts, why wouldn't you teach that before people started sparring? I can also understand not letting beginners roll against each other, but if you have an advanced student and a beginner what's the problem with starting on the feet? It happens all the time in Judo and wrestling with no ill effects, why not in sub grappling/BJJ/CACC?
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Do you know that most of my injury came from grapple with noob? Why? 'Caus the only thing a noob have is strenght/explosivness. they dont have technique and imho, they are dangerous to grapple with.

That's why i told them to start directly on the ground and i dont waste time to tell them to not knee wrestle. It will take maybe a month and everything will be ok. It's not like they will knee wrestle forever.
 
_Glorfindel_ said:
Call me a retard, but all my noobs are starting from their knee, i usually suggest starting from a 'real' position (side, mount, guard , all four etc) but i will not let beginner starting on their feets when they have no control and no ukemi.
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I started wrestling (that sport where you start on your feet) with no prior martial arts experience. All my limbs still work fine.
 
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