Wrestling Catch Wrestling United

doyourkegles22 said:
Well, I left my BJJ coach because I was getting sick of him bashing every other styles of grappling.
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One of my guy have to move to montreal. He goes to one of ISWA affiliate and the coach was bashing bjj all the time and was telling to my guy that some of his move was not good blablabla, even if he was getting tapped 3 times a minute... So i tell him to change gym. He's now in a pure bjj gym and he's more happy than he was in the cacc gym.

Obtuse people are not good coach, bjj, cacc, what ever, you have to keep an open mind.
 
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Title Fight Productions said:
Just curious as someone who is somewhat new to Catch who's "certificate" would you except and what would you think it meant?

Also what rank did you earn in BJJ.

Glad you found a great fit for your style!
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Hmm good question, I would think anything from the Scientific Wrestling guys and their Toe Hold gyms. I would want something to have roots that can be traced back to any of the greats.

I honestly think CSW is considered catch since IMO grappling is grappling, CSW just has an MMA influence.

As for BJJ, I been doing it since January and am only a 3 stripe white belt. I catch a lot of shit from others because of my Judo Black Belt and at times, I feel like a sand bagger.

My new CSW coach is also a BB in BJJ, and from what I've heard, he'll be giving me a blue belt. At this point, I don't really care since i'm REALLY digging Catch...I mean CSW. :P
 
Nnedd said:
I have it, I liked it. It's less a history than it is a group of interviews. I envisioned a kind of encyclopedia, or more of a detailed narrative about the history of the art. It's more a group of interviews, with some additional info and pictures.

I read it in mostly one sitting. It's good reading, and I enjoyed. Not complaining about the book.
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I think 'Shooters' by Jonathan Snowden goes more in depth. 'Rough & Tumble' by Erik Paulson and Matt Granahan is good, but suffers a lot from a lack of an editor and there are too many sections lifted from wikipedia. The best history book is still 'Catch Wrestling' by Mark Hewitt. I still need to read 'Rugged Game' by Nathan Hatton, which is based on the wrestlers of Canada during the gold rush era. There's also finally a Lancashire history on catch coming soon from Stephen Greenfield, one of Roy Wood's students.
 
doyourkegles22 said:
Hmm good question, I would think anything from the Scientific Wrestling guys and their Toe Hold gyms. I would want something to have roots that can be traced back to any of the greats.
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Private Message me the area you live in, and I can ask around if there's any Robinson, Wicks etc lineage guys who might be near you (or at least in the same state haha)
 
KJGould said:
Private Message me the area you live in, and I can ask around if there's any Robinson, Wicks etc lineage guys who might be near you (or at least in the same state haha)
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You have mail.

Can I still post here even if I'm doing CSW? Or does CSW need it's own thread haha.
 
You can post what you like, I'm not a moderator here.
 
KJGould said:
I think 'Shooters' by Jonathan Snowden goes more in depth. 'Rough & Tumble' by Erik Paulson and Matt Granahan is good, but suffers a lot from a lack of an editor and there are too many sections lifted from wikipedia. The best history book is still 'Catch Wrestling' by Mark Hewitt. I still need to read 'Rugged Game' by Nathan Hatton, which is based on the wrestlers of Canada during the gold rush era. There's also finally a Lancashire history on catch coming soon from Stephen Greenfield, one of Roy Wood's students.
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Thanks. I will look for all of those.

I wasn't knocking Shannon's book, I also read Physical Chess, which he wrote with Billy Robinson, so I kind of knew what to expect.

I'll check out those books.
 
I lied, my BJJ and CSW coach just promoted me from 3 stripe white belt (under a different instructor) to blue belt.
 
Thanks Production

No ego at this gym for sure! He put on a white belt for my Judo class and did randori. Stiff armed like crazy but it was still fun trying to break down his defense and not get choked in the process.
 
Interesting to hear Wilson Ries went to train NoGi/MMA Catch Wrestling before his latest fight with Niel Melanson. Never bad to get that exposure on a big show like that! He finish with a head and arm choke.

I wonder how much he is working with Phil Davis.
 
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doyourkegles22 said:
Hmm good question, I would think anything from the Scientific Wrestling guys and their Toe Hold gyms. I would want something to have roots that can be traced back to any of the greats.

I honestly think CSW is considered catch since IMO grappling is grappling, CSW just has an MMA influence.

As for BJJ, I been doing it since January and am only a 3 stripe white belt. I catch a lot of shit from others because of my Judo Black Belt and at times, I feel like a sand bagger.

My new CSW coach is also a BB in BJJ, and from what I've heard, he'll be giving me a blue belt. At this point, I don't really care since i'm REALLY digging Catch...I mean CSW. :P
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Cacc is very hard to pin down sometimes. I have a Cacc lineage through Japan via Frank shamrock and Eric Paulson trained instructors as well as a shooto instructor. But do I really consider myself Catch as Catch Can? I alway say submission wrestling because I have a wrestling dominant style with submissions.

Getting certified under Shannon is more about paying thousands of dollars for camps then any real Cacc background.
 
Tony Manifold said:
Cacc is very hard to pin down sometimes. I have a Cacc lineage through Japan via Frank shamrock and Eric Paulson trained instructors as well as a shooto instructor. But do I really consider myself Catch as Catch Can? I alway say submission wrestling because I have a wrestling dominant style with submissions.

Getting certified under Shannon is more about paying thousands of dollars for camps then any real Cacc background.
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That's what I expected after seeing the money you have to pay to get certified.


On further note, CSW is making me fall in love with wrestling again. We did some upper body throws and flying mares. Mind you, I haven't done them in 14 years but man, once I did a few it was ON!

We started on our feet during our sparring session and I was hitting the Flying Mares/*** Wizars all day to knee on belly to double wrist locks.

At this point, i've been doing Judo longer than wrestling but it's coming back...and...it helps it's all the same to an extent.
 
Tony Manifold said:
Cacc is very hard to pin down sometimes. I have a Cacc lineage through Japan via Frank shamrock and Eric Paulson trained instructors as well as a shooto instructor. But do I really consider myself Catch as Catch Can? I alway say submission wrestling because I have a wrestling dominant style with submissions.

Getting certified under Shannon is more about paying thousands of dollars for camps then any real Cacc background.
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You didn't get certified under Shannon. You got certified under Billy Robinson and at his discretion (there's a written test as well as being able to demonstrate technique and coaching ability). Half the money went straight to Robinson, the other half covered the cost of travel, accommodation etc for Robinson and his assistant coaches.

Plus the more you submitted to train with Robinson, the cheaper it became each time as a reward for loyalty and dedication. Now Robinson is no longer with us, the camps are with Sam Kressin (the assistant coach who spent the most amount of time with Robinson in the modern era) AND Wade Schalles.
 
KJGould said:
You didn't get certified under Shannon. You got certified under Billy Robinson and at his discretion (there's a written test as well as being able to demonstrate technique and coaching ability). Half the money went straight to Robinson, the other half covered the cost of travel, accommodation etc for Robinson and his assistant coaches.

Plus the more you submitted to train with Robinson, the cheaper it became each time as a reward for loyalty and dedication. Now Robinson is no longer with us, the camps are with Sam Kressin (the assistant coach who spent the most amount of time with Robinson in the modern era) AND Wade Schalles.
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I would still want to do it...maybe when my Judo club gets bigger and I get more time in grade in CSW to ease the transition.
 
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We are one of only few gyms in London, which is focusing on wrestling. We believe, it helps and is very useful for all successful MMA fighters.
We are delighted to announce that you have opportunity to start wrestling classes from 3rd of November three times a week!
 
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