Wrestling Catch Wrestling United

Josh Barnett said:
I didn't have anywhere that much weight on Dean. They didn't weight us but I know he was closer to 240.

That's great that someone who doesn't know a particular hold very well is unable to apply in any real way against yourself but that isn't grounds for proof of anything. It's not about simply putting a shin somewhere and it being painful. There's more technique to it than that.
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Josh can you please revive CACC in the US =[
 
_Glorfindel_ said:
You mad bro? lol!

1) Why applying cacc for mma is bad??

2) I dont understand what i teach? Are you serious? You think that a mechanical engineer who's teaching at college/university for 20 years, with 20 years of scolarity dont understand the mecanics of grappling?? Realy? :rolleyes:

For the rest, come in Quebec in our gym and let's verify all you're pretention about me or my guys.

Here is a little video, look who's coaching against us. It was some years ago in an amateur show.

yeah, i am full of shit and i'm a bad coach ;-)

FightQuest the best amateur show made by tristar gym : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOjjgWMf_NI

Instinct, formerly TKO, a pro show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_RAemZITEE

I can also put some grappling vids if you want ;-)

You are full of shit. I'm glad Barnett shutted you mouth ;-)
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Okay were do I start.

First video:

I accuse you of being a Mcdojo fraudster and your response is to post an MMA fight with boxing gloves? Jesus...Ok the grappling in the video is atrocious. It looked like to ammy white belts slugging it out without a clue on how to pace oneself. I don't care for the striking as this isn't a discussion about striking it is a discussion about your total lack of quality grappling training.

Second Video:

No grappling. Irrelevant.

Winning at amateur MMA is not a sign you have an expertise in Catch, especially when you put up videos with no grappling. For all I know you guys have Andy Hug's ghost teaching you striking (which would be legit). We are not here to discuss that though, we are here to discuss whether your coach has an expertise in what he teaches.

I like how you once again totally ignored the fact your coach is a known fraudster or the fact that he could not beat a white belt in competition.

Ill ask you to demonstrate two things to show you are a legitimate grappling instructor.

1). How many hours of grappling has your coach done UNDER someone else BEFORE he opened his school. I am suspect how truthful your response will be since your coach has a history of lying about his experience in the past. I am of course refering to when he pretended to be a Sambo world champions brother and stole peoples money instructing Sambo with zero experience. It would be nice if your coaches instructor would verify the hours he has done in the gym. I expect he should have done around 5-10 years 3 days a week minimum before he opened his prestigious school yes? Let me clarify I mean BEFORE he opened the school.

2) Put up some technique videos! If you guys are one of the sole authorities on Catch in the world then why don't you put up videos teaching us how to do to it? Your coach is supposedly a wizard on the mat so why cant he share his knowledge? If a crippled and old Billy Robinson could do it I am sure your coach with his sore wrist or whatever can as well. Since your coach opened his own gym I expect some serious detail in the technique here. i want to see years of understanding and experience condensed into one video just like the other greats do it. Since you are so certain of his abilities this should be easy yes?


And lastly, did you seriously just use your mechanical engineering degree as proof that you understand the mechanics of grappling? Why the fuck am I trying to get a black belt when I can do a 4 year engineering course instead? I think what you are trying to say is that you understand how to teach since you have 20 years teaching experience at a tertiary level. Well I put it to you that just because you are university teacher does not make you A) above corruption or B) above being brainwashed by a dodgy coach.
 
Supereem said:
Okay were do I start.

First video:

I accuse you of being a Mcdojo fraudster and your response is to post an MMA fight with boxing gloves? Jesus...Ok the grappling in the video is atrocious. It looked like to ammy white belts slugging it out without a clue on how to pace oneself. I don't care for the striking as this isn't a discussion about striking it is a discussion about your total lack of quality grappling training.

Second Video:

No grappling. Irrelevant.

Winning at amateur MMA is not a sign you have an expertise in Catch, especially when you put up videos with no grappling. For all I know you guys have Andy Hug's ghost teaching you striking (which would be legit). We are not here to discuss that though, we are here to discuss whether your coach has an expertise in what he teaches.

I like how you once again totally ignored the fact your coach is a known fraudster or the fact that he could not beat a white belt in competition.

Ill ask you to demonstrate two things to show you are a legitimate grappling instructor.

1). How many hours of grappling has your coach done UNDER someone else BEFORE he opened his school. I am suspect how truthful your response will be since your coach has a history of lying about his experience in the past. I am of course refering to when he pretended to be a Sambo world champions brother and stole peoples money instructing Sambo with zero experience. It would be nice if your coaches instructor would verify the hours he has done in the gym. I expect he should have done around 5-10 years 3 days a week minimum before he opened his prestigious school yes? Let me clarify I mean BEFORE he opened the school.

2) Put up some technique videos! If you guys are one of the sole authorities on Catch in the world then why don't you put up videos teaching us how to do to it? Your coach is supposedly a wizard on the mat so why cant he share his knowledge? If a crippled and old Billy Robinson could do it I am sure your coach with his sore wrist or whatever can as well. Since your coach opened his own gym I expect some serious detail in the technique here. i want to see years of understanding and experience condensed into one video just like the other greats do it. Since you are so certain of his abilities this should be easy yes?


And lastly, did you seriously just use your mechanical engineering degree as proof that you understand the mechanics of grappling? Why the fuck am I trying to get a black belt when I can do a 4 year engineering course instead? I think what you are trying to say is that you understand how to teach since you have 20 years teaching experience at a tertiary level. Well I put it to you that just because you are university teacher does not make you A) above corruption or B) above being brainwashed by a dodgy coach.
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Kris's case is beaten to death. .. So whatt ever. ..

I would lik to see YOUR grappling fluidity wigh those biv gloves lol!

Anyway, you're a hater, since you're not even from Quebec, i dont give a fuck about you. I'm a fraud, ok, i got it.

Btw, it took 9 years to get the diploma that i have in mechanical engineering (dec/baac/msc) ;-)
 
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_Glorfindel_ said:
Kris's case is beaten to death. .. So whatt ever. ..

I would lik to see YOUR grappling fluidity wigh those biv gloves lol!

Anyway, you're a hater, since you're not even from Quebec, i dont give a fuck about you. I'm a fraud, ok, i got it.

Btw, it took 9 years to get the diploma that i have in mechanical engineering (dec/baac/msc) ;-)
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It took me 5 years to get my degrees and I commend your effort, not a lot of people can do what you have achieved in academia. We can leave it at that.
 
ChainFlow said:
How was it?
I bitterly regret delaying my plan to attend his seminar too long.
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It was great. I think it was his last seminar in Europe before he died. The man was a legend, I'm very proud to have shook his hand.

Picked up some nice details on the Kimur- *AHEM* Double Wrist Lock that I still use.
 
Einarr said:
It was great. I think it was his last seminar in Europe before he died. The man was a legend, I'm very proud to have shook his hand.

Picked up some nice details on the Kimur- *AHEM* Double Wrist Lock that I still use.
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Did he beat you with his stick? We were all afraid of it lpl!
 
_Glorfindel_ said:
Did he beat you with his stick? We were all afraid of it lpl!
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No, but he did make a guy walk off the mat "injured" - the dude just couldn't get a simple pivot throw right. Billy laid into him a bit, haha. I thought the guy was going to cry.
 
Two fighters with Catch history fought and won last night on the UFC card.

Mighty Mouse won by Kimura/DWL
and
Ebersole won by Split using some great vines and rides to complement his Muay Thai.
 
I rate MM as a catch guy. He uses kimuras and has Hume as a coach. In modern UFC there isn't much more catch than that (other than Barnett). His style is obviously influenced by it.
 
Thanks to state Supreme Court Justice David Prosser's alleged injudicious use of his hands on the neck of Justice Ann Walsh Bradley, the Badger State is in headlines everywhere like the one recently posted on The Atlantic magazine's website: "The Latest on the Wisconsin Chokehold."
Somewhere, Evan Lewis is gagging.
He knew that a chokehold was unworthy of the name unless it left the victim unconscious and/or spitting up blood. A native of Ridgeway, in Iowa County, more than 125 years ago Lewis was the first Wisconsinite identified with that maneuver, and his use of it made him the most famous and feared wrestler in the world. It gave him his nickname:
"The Strangler."
The 5-foot-9, 180-pound Lewis "made no bones about his method," said The Ring magazine in 1930, "which was to get an arm about the throat of an opponent and choke him until he whispered 'enough' or was unable to whisper anything."
That's how wrestling was in the 1880s, under the no-holds-barred style the Chicago Tribune called at the time "one of the cruelest forms of sport permitted in any civilized community. The breaking of a leg, the crushing in of the ribs, the slow torture of tearing a limb from its socket is permissible and constitutional."
When he could talk again after Lewis choked him into submission in Madison in 1885, French wrestling champion Andre Christol sputtered that "in all his 24 years of wrestling he had never encountered such a man."
Lewis's most famous matches were against a Japanese grappler named Matsada Sorakichi, known in that very politically incorrect time as "The ***." He had his own specialty on the mat, which was to ram his head into the ribs of his opponents. In their first match in Chicago on January 27, 1886, Sorakichi surrendered when The Strangler choked him until the blood flowed, and afterwards challenged Lewis to a rematch in which the chokehold would not be allowed.
When Lewis agreed, The *** made sure he understood the conditions: "You choke me, I shoot you."
"I will not choke you this time," promised Lewis, "but I will screw your leg off."
Which is pretty much what happened at the February 15 rematch in Chicago, won by Lewis. The result even made the front page of the New York Times, whose correspondent interviewed Sorakichi in his bed after the match, "unable to turn on either side, his features distorted with pain," as the Japanese wrestler "in broken English attempted to describe how Lewis had tried 'to breakee the leg like a stick.'"
Lewis beat most of the renowned wrestlers of his time, and though the strangle hold was barred in the match he still defeated Ernest Roeber in New Orleans on March 2, 1893 for the championship of the world.
After he lost the title to Martin "Farmer" Burns on April 20, 1895, Lewis retired from the mat and got into politics in Ridgeway, serving on the town board. He was a Democrat, and at party caucuses he was appointed to keep delegates from getting out of line and choking one-another.
He died of cancer on Nov. 3, 1919, at age 59. By then there was another famous Strangler Lewis, a man born Robert Friedrich in Nekoosa, Wisconsin, who adopted the name when he took up wrestling and who became recognized as heavyweight champion. His specialty was actually a headlock.
According to a long-ago article about the original Strangler Lewis in the Chicago Herald, "Off the stage (he) is quiet, modest and unassuming. There is no braggadocio about him and no evidence of any unnatural ferocity, but the moment he faces an opponent his whole nature seems to change and no one can control him in the least."
Sounds just like some of our state Supreme Court Justices today.
 
Bubblun said:
Josh i swear years ago i have seen a tape by Erik Paulson about wrestling from the knees.

so this article kinda surprise me.
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You did, it's called takedowns from the knees.
 
Since this is the Catch Wrestling thread here I thought I would share this with you all.

CSW has two Catch Wrestlers trying to gather funds to travel and compete in the FILA World Grappling championships in Hungary this October. They won their divisions for the US World Team trials but it's a self funded competition.

Please take a look here and anything you guys can do to spread the word of help out is appreciated. Plus this is an opportunity to help grow Catch's legitimacy and showcase it to more potential practitioners.

Thanks

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/colleen-and-laura-wrestle-the-world

Josh
 
Josh Barnett said:
Since this is the Catch Wrestling thread here I thought I would share this with you all.

CSW has two Catch Wrestlers trying to gather funds to travel and compete in the FILA World Grappling championships in Hungary this October. They won their divisions for the US World Team trials but it's a self funded competition.

Please take a look here and anything you guys can do to spread the word of help out is appreciated. Plus this is an opportunity to help grow Catch's legitimacy and showcase it to more potential practitioners.

Thanks

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/colleen-and-laura-wrestle-the-world

Josh
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Hi Josh, I hope your seminars went well and the turnout helped your wrestlers' goals in going to FILA World Grappling Championships.
 
Josh Barnett said:
In this we have a difference in philosophy/opinion.
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Wrestling from the knees is retarded, even if you're focused 100% on ground grappling. Reason being, the kinds of positions you get into on the ground when you start on the ground vs. when you start on the feet are totally different, even if you pull guard. You need to work on that transition and feel the differences in the positions you end up in.

Though frankly anyone who calls themselves a grappler but can't take someone else down is deluded.
 
Uchi Mata said:
Wrestling from the knees is retarded, even if you're focused 100% on ground grappling. Reason being, the kinds of positions you get into on the ground when you start on the ground vs. when you start on the feet are totally different, even if you pull guard. You need to work on that transition and feel the differences in the positions you end up in.

Though frankly anyone who calls themselves a grappler but can't take someone else down is deluded.
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Call me a retard, but all my noobs are starting from their knee, i usually suggest starting from a 'real' position (side, mount, guard , all four etc) but i will not let beginner starting on their feets when they have no control and no ukemi.
 
_Glorfindel_ said:
Call me a retard, but all my noobs are starting from their knee, i usually suggest starting from a 'real' position (side, mount, guard , all four etc) but i will not let beginner starting on their feets when they have no control and no ukemi.
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Do you start beginners with ground fighting, not takedowns?
 
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