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Josh Barnett said:
And the BJJ community has tried to dismiss my use of CACC for YEARS. It's like they can't accept that there's other ideas that work. I'm not disparaging or putting down BJJ by doing CACC and winning. I'm just doing what I like and believe in.
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I know what you mean....
 
Josh Barnett said:
The FUCK I AM!

CATCH AS CATCH CAN!

I train in a lot of martial arts but just because I have trained in them doesn't make one of them. Now I have a BJJ 2nd degree Black Belt but that came from competition NOT from spending all those years doing BJJ. I am an autodidact when it comes to grappling and moves and concepts are very easy for me to pick up. I can walk on a mat with a gi on and compete and even use BJJ philosophies and approaches. However, that's not my base nor my competition ideology. I am a Catch Wrestler and I stick by the concepts and philosophies of CACC no matter what the rules or "style" is.

And the BJJ community has tried to dismiss my use of CACC for YEARS. It's like they can't accept that there's other ideas that work. I'm not disparaging or putting down BJJ by doing CACC and winning. I'm just doing what I like and believe in.
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I pretty much thought so and thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was pretty self evident that anyone with eyes could see the difference in your approach and emphasis is not that of a BJJ player.

There you have it ladies and gentleman, straight from the source.
 
I'm very surpised that the usual cacc bashers are not here to say to Josh that he's a bjj'er and cacc doenst exist lol!
 
wrestling is the basis for all grappling

BJJ gurus are like the yogis from the early 00s
 
Considering BJJ developed from a mixture of Judo and Catch Wrestling, and everyone was trying to cross train back then especially in brazil, from the Carni guys, to travelling Judoka that specialized in NeWaza from Handa/Fusen Ryu or Kosen rules or whatever, and the Lutra Livre guys like Euclides learning from all sources I think it is more safe to say BJJ just learned a little catch and not enough of the wrestling.....
 
rmongler said:
usually its more like concern trolling like what supereem was doing.
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Something tells me that his style of trolling isn't going away anyway. Besides, I've never seen him latch on to something that wasn't true.
 
Calibur said:
Something tells me that his style of trolling isn't going away anyway. Besides, I've never seen him latch on to something that wasn't true.
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Maybe I'm missing something but I thought he was spot on and was totally serious.
 
Crossface9 said:
Maybe I'm missing something but I thought he was spot on and was totally serious.
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He is and he was but I still consider it trolling when a well educated atheist walks into a church and starts embarrassing the followers that have clearly made a choice.

It doesn't matter if you're right or not. Your intentionally stepping into a world designed for people who want to avoid what you're trying to sell.
 
CACC, is a wrestling first martial art absolutely. I'm not saying it has to have pins necessarily, but others have stated they grappled with "Catch" guys and they couldn't wrestle a lick, that's not right. Catch is wrestling with submission holds, not some obscure form of no gi.
 
Calibur said:
Something tells me that his style of trolling isn't going away anyway. Besides, I've never seen him latch on to something that wasn't true.
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he was strangely fixated on this idea of 'catch' as an esoteric showboat of technique spam first and not as a development of indigenous wrestling styles first with a pro-wrestling subset, which nicely dovetailed into his thinly disguised conviction in inferiority of (his idea of) catch whenever the topic of teh jits rolls around (but hes a really a fan, pinky swear).

(my biases of course are very much undisguised, ill go right ahead and say anyone specializing in pulling guard is using an inferior strategy in almost any situation).
 
rmongler said:
(my biases of course are very much undisguised, ill go right ahead and say anyone specializing in pulling guard is using an inferior strategy in almost any situation).
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except for the situation of sport JJ, which is one of the biggest adult forms of grappling.............:icon_idea
 
DanTheWolfman.com said:
Considering BJJ developed from a mixture of Judo and Catch Wrestling, and everyone was trying to cross train back then especially in brazil, from the Carni guys, to travelling Judoka that specialized in NeWaza from Handa/Fusen Ryu or Kosen rules or whatever, and the Lutra Livre guys like Euclides learning from all sources I think it is more safe to say BJJ just learned a little catch and not enough of the wrestling.....
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That's a one long sentence.. But anyway. How can one learn Catch without learning wrestling? The same way one can learn Jiu without Jitsu? :icon_chee
 
OKMS said:
That's a one long sentence.. But anyway. How can one learn Catch without learning wrestling? The same way one can learn Jiu without Jitsu? :icon_chee
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By focusing on the submission aspect (the "Catch") and not enough of the positional grappling/take downs/etc. (the "wrestling")?
 
bubkusjones said:
By focusing on the submission aspect (the "Catch") and not enough of the positional grappling/take downs/etc. (the "wrestling")?
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I don't think such a thing exists or is even possible. One can learn submission holds, but one still has to learn how to get to those submission holds. You are forced to learn techniques that allow you to takedown, sweep, reverse, throw, trip, drag, etc. so that you're able to utilize those submissions. It's just a natural part of training.

Otherwise, the person you seem to be describing is someone who doesn't even train and is more comparable to your older brother who watches WWE and tries to replicate moves on you in the living room for laughs.
 
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