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Biden's gay marriage flip flop

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by sabretruth, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. Denter Silver Belt

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    Power not being personal is how we got into this mess.
     
  2. BFoe Western States Heritage Champion Platinum Member

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    Which mess?
    If we’re still talking about the presidency, I think the current president actually takes his power too personally, and that causes quite a few issues.
     
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  3. Corn Pop Hombre Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    Wait, you mean to tell me Joe Biden is going to support clean injection sites, defunding the police, universal Healthcare and national cannabis legalization?!

    Wtf I love joe biden now.
     
  4. usmctanker242 Red Belt

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    Haha...I meant to write 1/4/ to 1/3... so yeah, more like 60-80 years old was what I was going for in terms of a life. Good catchh.
     
  5. JDragon #StayTheFuckHome

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    :)

    There is a nice story going around regarding a former German football player (80s). His club offered him a pay raise of one third. He responded "I won't do it for less than a quarter". And got it.
     
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    A change of mind over 20 years? Doesn´t seem like a flip flop. Now if this was more current, he might change his stance daily since he probably can´t remember what it is.

    Isn´t there like a thread that´s over 9000 pages with Trump contradicting himself on Twitter?
     
  7. jx820 Red Belt

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    You're not wrong.

    I can tell you it would be pretty hard for me to back a candidate who got so many basic civil rights questions wrong in the past. Then flipped with the polling on the issue. It was among the reasons I couldn't vote for Hillary, and I don't think I can vote for Biden in good conscience. The best case scenario is that they believe in nothing and just follow the polls. The truth is probably that they know right from wrong, but don't care.

    It's not just a liberal question it's a libertarian question. People got hurt by those policies for years, and for no justifiable reason. Fuck everybody who had the power to serve those people and protect their rights and used that power to trample them.

    Honestly that's part of why the right wins and the left loses so many elections. Most "libertarians" I know will watch the GOP wipe their ass with your rights, then go vote them in for another term. Progressives and Berniecrats will oppose those people. I'll oppose someone I mostly agree with just for endorsing a candidate like that. But my candidates dont win very often.
     
  8. AnGrYcRoW I've done .... questionable things .

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    Maybe they're just taking a page out if trump's playbook , never admit you are wrong .....ever .
     
  9. sabretruth Gold Belt

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    The point is Biden can't be trusted as far as you can throw mularkey. He has no convictions. As the left goes, so goes Biden. He's done this on crime, abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism, and segregation.
     
  10. Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog Platinum Member

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    I was referring to this: "I don't know if China was in charge, but our biggest state is now majority Mexican." Our biggest state isn't majority Mexican. And demographics didn't make it a solidly blue state. It's not like voting patterns are genetic. The GOP makes a choice to run on white identity politics. If they decided to adopt more popular policies, they could structure their messaging in a way that appeals more broadly.

    It's interesting that you're framing it that way, as I think that is how a lot of voters look at it, but it's not how the party tries to present it (they tend to support less overtly racist or partisan reasoning, pretending that immigration is hurting wages or causing higher crime). But see above.
     
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  11. jx820 Red Belt

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    I'm all for people improving over time and opening up to new ideas, but the president of the united states doesn't have the luxury of a 20 year learning curve on civil rights, human rights, and basic human decency. They pretty much have to get it right the first time every time.

    "My bad" doesn't cut it when you spent 20 years advocating for people to be discriminated against by their government. If you can't pass that level of gut check morality by your 40s, your soul is dogshit and you are unfit for office.
     
  12. sabretruth Gold Belt

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    You may not care if people are forced to affirm nonsense, but to call someone who supports using state power to punish people for not accepting new definitions of concepts that are absolutely basic to human identity which have been used for thousands of years "moderate" is simply absurd.

    Just curious, would the government forcing people to affirm certain religious doctrines be so far down on your list of things that determine who you vote for that it wouldn't be worth it to for you to discuss?
     
  13. panamaican Senior Moderator Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I mean I get the general point of the OP re: Biden's flip flopping on various issues but it's kind of weird to structure an argument against a politician as "When his constituents change their mind, that politician follows their lead."
     
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  14. Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog Platinum Member

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    If your goal is authoritarian rule enforcing unpopular policies, it's not weird at all.
     
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    It is if it meets my narrative.
     
  16. 4daLuLZ Brown Belt

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    A better Trump is still a better Trump.
     
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    I used to do an eight ball of coke every weekend over 20 years ago, and now I don't does that make me a flip flopper.

    Just for the record 20 years ago, Trump was pro abortion, but I guess he read in 2 Corinthians that abortion is not good, so now he is against it.
     
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  19. Hungry Joe Purple Belt

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    Ugh. Want to give me a link or better description of which of his policies you are talking about. Like I said spend very little time thinking about trans people but if it’s as important as you say I’ll take a look.
     
  20. nostradumbass Steel Belt

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    If you're finally willing to discuss it with race removed, I'm way more than happy to have that discussion.


    Just politically, what has turned CA into the bluest by numbers state in the country from a red state a few years ago? What are the changes?
     

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