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Biden's gay marriage flip flop

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  1. cooks1 No matter where you go-there you are

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    That would certainly be a nice gesture. But a Senator can not just single handedly roll back existing legislation. You would need new legislation, which he could whole heartedly endorse, to override it.

    But- drilling down further, you will notice that it is often not legislation that is the issue. A lot of times legislation is kept sufficiently vague to infer maximum freedom and rights. As you can see from the case law you posted, more often than not, it is the narrow views of every day citizens, not the legislation itself, that are at odds with minorities and different sexual orientations. Which is why so often these matters are resolved in SCOTUS as opposed to Congress.
     
  2. PolishHeadlock2 Absolutley Haram Platinum Member

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    Wait until he finds out about McConnel and Trump being Pro Choice
     
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  3. Trotsky Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    The standards are just hilarious:

    Biden in 2000: I believe marriage is between a man and a woman, but I believe in rights and respect for gay persons
    Biden in 2015: I believe in rights, respect, and marriage for gay persons.
    Republicans: HYPOCRITE!!!!!!!

    Trump in 2017: This tax bill is going to raise taxes on the wealthy; it will not be good for me, believe me.
    Trump in 2017: *passes massive historic tax cut for the wealthy; it's very good for him; the national budget suffers*
    Republicans: PATRIOT!!!!!!!
     
  4. Black Locust White Belt

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    The big problem here is that Biden will have to give and ear to the Marxist far left nuts in the Democrat Party. If he is elected, no doubt he will cater to them. Flip flopping on issues is to be expected.
     
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  5. nostradumbass Steel Belt

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    What changed his mind?

    The claim made by you all, and hack sausage posts regularly, is that republicans have shifted so far right. What is the republican "far right" position now that democrats didn't agree with 20 years ago? There isn't any.

    The goal of everything is if you get an education, marry the person you have kids with, work and you'll have a happy life and nobody will attack you for it. Republicans haven't budged on that, democrats have.
     
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  6. Denter Silver Belt

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    This is actually a bad thing, but it is to be expected with popular government.
     
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  7. Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog Platinum Member

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    Is that supposed to be me? You can tag. I don't bite. And you can try arguing like a man. That's not a claim that I've made, much less regularly. The fact that you feel the need to lie to make your point says something about the sincerity of it, IMO.

    The intellectual collapse of the GOP is related more to isolation from non-partisan news sources than ideological immoderation (a big part of the splitting of the parties ideologically is just Southern conservatives leaving the Democratic Party for the GOP).
     
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  8. nostradumbass Steel Belt

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    Do you or don't you claim that republicans have shifted right rather than the left shifting left? What does further right even mean and which positions are currently republican platform positions that have gone further right?
     
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  9. Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog Platinum Member

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    Dude, I was just arguing with @Corn Pop Hombre the other day that Democrats have shifted left (he was making the ludicrous assertion that they've shifted right). If you look at DW-NOMINATE scores, you see a pretty big rightward move for Republicans from 2000-2008, but I'm not sure what the driver of that is (probably just sorting).

    And I just told you that the intellectual collapse of the GOP isn't related to the left/right axis. It's more about the rejection of objective reality in favor of paranoid fantasies (which has long been an element of the right in America but used to be fringier).
     
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  10. Hungry Joe Purple Belt

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    Biden
    Biden is a moderate . I would think that the right would be relieved that he has moderate views on things like gun control ,health care , immigration. I doubt that he will be pushing for any radical changes.
    I suspect his administration will get us back on track with environmental issues and push to make some tweaks to healthcare.
     
  11. Rational Poster War Room Messiah

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    I don't even know if I'd go that far.

    He changed his position as public opinion changed.

    If Republican voters were 1000% in favor of their candidate sucking dicks tomorrow Mitch would be sucking dicks on youtube.

    What Hillary alluded to about public/private positions was quite honest actually, and this is true for all politicians.
     
  12. Corn Pop Hombre Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    I understand the point about the rejection of objective reality for paranoid fantasies, but how is that not also tied with a move further to the right? The current leader of the GOP was just threatening to deploy the US military on American streets, citing the insurrection act (a clear fascist act). That same GOP leader is incarcerating children and asylum seekers in interment camps at the border, preventing them from seeking asylum in a clear violation of international law. These are all movements to the right so I'm not sure how you can say it isn't related to the left/right axis.
     
  13. nostradumbass Steel Belt

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    Well you're quite right if that was your stance with @Corn Pop Hombre, and he is certainly very far left and skews his "centrism" around his far left positions, but what are the "paranoid fantasies" entertained by the GOP? IMO, they've been a very poor opposition to a political revolution, but I assume you're talking about the politicians.
     
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  14. Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog Platinum Member

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    It's tied to a rejection of liberalism but not necessarily to a rightward move. We're seeing a different flavor of rightism dominate, but not a further-right party, except as it relates to sorting.

    There are rightist extremists in the party, as there have been for a while. The change in both parties over time appears to be primarily a result of sorting (Democrats used to have a big Southern conservative faction that started leaving a long time ago but the process has been continuing, and at the same time, liberal Republicans have been leaving their party). And immigration is probably one area where we have seen a clear rightward move by the GOP.
     
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  15. ineverpost Black Belt

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    Pandering to the wealthy evangelical base.
     
  16. BFoe Western States Heritage Champion Platinum Member

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    Well firstly, I find it interesting that you made this thread about Biden, and not Trump’s flip-flop on abortion.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.la...p-march-for-life-antiabortion-rally?_amp=true
    In fact, Trump flip-flops so often that one company actually sells Presidential Flip Flops to wear—each flip flop has a contradictory tweet on it. I am not making that up lol. But you didn’t start threads on all of those, are you only concerned when a democrat does it?
    As for Biden, I have a hard time seeing him support single payer, or even reparations. There’s a million ways to implement the 3 things you listed, but in theory I support all 3–so I wish he’d come out in support of them. Might make me excited to vote for him.
     
  17. Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog Platinum Member

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    Over the past few years, Republicans have endorsed "deep-state" CTs, a belief that protesters are organized by Soros, climate change is a Chinese hoax, COVID is being systematically overstated, the MSM is out to get them in various ways, various crazy theories about Obama (spying on Trump, ordering the IRS to target conservatives), etc. Facts that are unfavorable to the Party are presumed to be "fake" and are dismissed. There was a recent thread on how Trump is trailing by a lot in the polls, and a good portion of the responses were just people saying that the polls were fake! There's a reflexive refusal to face reality that is dominating on the right in America these days.

    I quoted myself a few times already but here it is again:

    "California had a Republican senator named Tom Kuchel from '53-'69. He noted at one time that 10% of the letters coming into his office (6,000 a month!) were what he called "fright mail," mostly about two rumors that were common on the right at the time: Chinese commandos were training in Mexico for an invasion of the U.S. and 100,000 UN troops (16,000 of them African cannibals) were training in Georgia under the command of a Russia colonel for a UN martial-law takeover of the U.S."

    That element has long been part of the right, but it's driving the bus now.
     
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  18. Diogenes of Sinope Brown Belt

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    not hypocrisy in the slightest. Tax cuts and gay marriage are both good things
     
  19. nostradumbass Steel Belt

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    Those aren't "conspiracy theories" they're demonstrably true. The hub for the federal government and all of its permanent establishment is the most democrat area of the entire country. I think Trump got like 4% of the vote. I don't know if China was in charge, but our biggest state is now majority Mexican.

    AFAIK, republicans have not moved off constitutional conservatism, they've sat there while the other side have tried to find workarounds. What is the "far right" position that republicans hold now that they didn't 20 years ago,
     
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  20. Hellowhosthat Red Belt

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    Let them bang bro.
     

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