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Biden's gay marriage flip flop

Discussion in 'The War Room' started by sabretruth, Jun 30, 2020.

  1. Denter Silver Belt

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    Facts are basically unimportant; its always the narrative, the context, the meaning that matters. A fact without context is meaningless, like a special effect without a movie surrounding it. What implications for action X or Y fact have, is the name of the game.
     
  2. Max Power Got The Touch Platinum Member

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    Lol, fail thread.
     
  3. JohnGottis White Belt

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    I never understood why changing your position on an issue is a negative thing? As you obtain more information on a subject you should be willing
    to change your mind.
     
  4. Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog Platinum Member

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    Well, they're not (something being "demonstrably true" means that you can demonstrate that it's true), but I'm not surprised that you say that.

    California is our biggest state by population, and less than 1 in 3 residents have Mexican ancestry. Not sure the exact numbers for our biggest state by land area, but it's less than 1 in 20. Also, neither of those points are relevant to the discussion. What the heck was the point of bringing them up?

    "Constitutional conservatism" has never been common on the right. I don't think the GOP holds new far-right positions, and I haven't said that they do. The intensity of the anti-immigration mania on the party has been turned up a few notches, though. Probably more outright authoritarians (witness @Corn Pop Hombre's point about the response to protesters), though as I said, that's long been an element in the party.
     
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  5. Jack V Savage Secretary of Keepin' It Real/Nicest Guy on Sherdog Platinum Member

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    I disagree here, especially since we're talking about denying (rather than simply listing) facts. Trump trying to get the party to pretend that COVID isn't happening has killed many people and caused major damage to the economy. The party denying climate change has inhibited a rational response to the threat. Inaccurate beliefs about the impact of austerity and of stimulative fiscal and monetary policy led to millions being unemployed much longer than they should have been in the aftermath of the GFC (and the same issue will likely come up soon). Reality has a tendency to bite you in the ass if you deny it.
     
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  6. JDragon #StayTheFuckHome

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    Are you Russian?

    40-60 years as an average life span seems... conservatively estimated?
     
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  7. sabretruth Gold Belt

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    Unlike Trump though, Biden has claimed to be a Catholic i.e. recognize a hierarchy headquartered in Rome as a moral authority. Has Biden's position on abortion, gay marriage, and transgenders "evolved" in tandem with the RCC's positions?
     
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    It depends. If a guy is vulnerable to changing their position a lot depending on what they feel is the most "convenient" for their career at the time, then how can you trust any of the promises they make as a politician? Who is to say that Biden won't suddenly "flip-flop" on issues such as healthcare, education, environment, etc. if he feels like it's no longer necessary for him to champion those causes?
     
  9. Denter Silver Belt

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    This is just a sign of how ineffectual conservatives are with their messaging and their almost total lack of imagination. Instead of answering questions like: Covid/global warming/financial crisis exists, but what should we do about it? They like to pretend that the issues don't exist.

    A good example is global warming. Yes, the earth is warming. Yes, all the doom prognostications have been wrong. How do we address that? Well, there are a million ways you could take advantage of inevitable warming over the course of century or so that would not cause major disruptions. Instead, they act like the doom predictions are the substance of the argument, and reject everything, because they prefer to do nothing, and live in the past.
     
  10. sabretruth Gold Belt

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    Biden supports using the power of the state to force people to affirm revisionist definitions of men and women that would replace the definitions used for thousands of years. He even supports forcing insurance companies to pay for (cosmetic) services to make people look more like what they're falsely claim to be.

    These are radical positions.
     
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  11. The Stoat Blue Belt

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    Biden is a leftist. And if he's not far left enough, his puppeteers will make sure he goes there with socialized health care, social programs, feeding 8 year olds puberty blockers, stripping away the 2nd Amendment and more rights for the criminals
     
  12. A Lurker Purple Belt

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    Are these the type of shitty threads we have to look forward to over the next 5 months?
     
  13. The Stoat Blue Belt

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    Ha ha. I'm sure they never stopped.
     
  14. Bamboozled Silver Belt

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    Have you been following recent trends in America? You can change your mind over 400 and it doesn't matter.

    Cancel Biden you fucking bigot
     
  15. ShinkanPo 我敢說我愛你

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    And weren't he one of the people who thinks Trans should be allowed to compete in Miss Universe when he is the chairman of that pageant before?
     
  16. Barteh Brown Belt

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    People have to understand historical concept. You can't criticize people for opposing gay marriage in 1980. You can't criticize people for owning slaves in 1750. That was just the normal during those times.

    In the Netherlands they actually destroyed a statue of a Dutch explorer who captured two ships of slaves from the Portuguese and released all of the slaves again "because of racism". People don't even understand history they just blindly yell at shit and pretend to be victims.
     
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  17. BFoe Western States Heritage Champion Platinum Member

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    I’m not sure I get your meaning when you say “evolved in tandem with the RCC’s positions.” Are you asking if Biden changed stances simply to oppose conservatives?
    I’ll offer you this though: it shouldn’t matter whether a president is Catholic, or some other Christian denomination, or some other non-Christian religion. A president swears an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. Roe is settled. Obergefell is settled. A president should stand up for those things regardless of their personal positions because they are 14th Amendment rights.
     
  18. nostradumbass Steel Belt

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    I said the district that houses our federal government is the most solidly democrat area of the country, not the biggest state, but we can use the biggest state if you want. They have seen a shift in demographics over the last 40 years that has made it a 1 party state, where voting for change is no longer a thing and you have to leave your home if you don't like it.

    There is no "anti-immigration mania", there is only anti-illegal immigration mania after having seen the biggest state in the country turn from red state to blue state because of it.
     
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    The trans issue is so far down on my list of things that determine who I vote for that it’s not really worth it to me to discuss my opinions on the matter. I have a family and a job. I’m much more concerned about issues that affect labor and worker s rights, the environment and education.
     
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  20. Hungry Joe Purple Belt

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    It will be ok bud. Biden is not going to be enacting a bunch of unpopular executive orders. Seriously he is not going to be that popular with the far left and will be criticized often. If Trump didnt “destroy the world”(it was close a couple times) then Biden won’t either.
     
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