Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR v.12

[chickenluver]

Bucky was experimented by Zola before being rescued by Cap. The experiment's effects were not immediate and that's why it wasn't noticeable. Bucky's enhanced state was the reason why he survived the long fall to the icy river.

He has the serum. That's how he overwhelmed a room full of people in Civil War.

I'm not seeing it. There was no serum to give him at that time, and why would something only give him super powers later?

I think what Zola was doing to him was implanting the spoken code which triggered his mind control, the words that Zemo used in Civil War. That's why it didn't have any immediate noticeable effect in Cap 1.

We've seen Black Widow take out a room full of people, that's no indication of powers.

 

[chickenluver]

This is what I was saying before. The MCU has done a terrible job in showing Bucky's strength and potential. Is he different than Cap or no? Is the strength just coming from the metal arm?

He was able to almost remove Stark's arc reactor with his hands.. that was awesome.

His overall ability comes from doing nothing but training and being sent on assassination missions for years and years, the only time he's displayed strength that was clearly beyond that of a normal human it was with the metal arm.

 

[Law Talkin’ Guy]

I thought Bucky had some kind of enhancements beyond just the arm. I mean, the whole plot of Civil War was that Zemo made them think he was going to wake up five more Buckies minus the arm.

 

[Bald1]

In real life -

In the MCU -

 

[Henry Swanson]

I thought Bucky had some kind of enhancements beyond just the arm. I mean, the whole plot of Civil War was that Zemo made them think he was going to wake up five more Buckies minus the arm.

Yeah I always thought he was enhanced via the serum as well. In civil war he tells Rogers “I’m not the only winter soldier” then they cut to that flashback of those other enhanced badasses getting serum’d up and shit.

 

[Omegaboy13]

May have already been brought up, but do you think that Strange knew that “it was the only way,” because that’s how it happened in the 1 successful version out of the millions he saw?

 

[Henry Swanson]

May have already been brought up, but do you think that Strange knew that “it was the only way,” because that’s how it happened in the 1 successful version out of the millions he saw?

Absolutely.

 

[Omegaboy13]

Absolutely.

Took me a second time watching to pick up on that one.

 

[heavyarms21]

Do you think he was injected in 1943 before being rescued by Steve, or that it was only after the fall from the train and the long term capture by Hydra?

It was mentioned in Winter Soldier that part of how Bucky survived falling from a Moving Train at that high up was probably due to the experiments done on him. Perhaps his durability was improved and tapping into his strengths and physical potential is something augmented through the years. It speaks to how good Erskine original Super Soldier serum is . Even years later Banner failed and the Hulk and Abomination were the results of Imperefect versions.

 

[Mike]

It's kinda sad we didn't get the Black Order fleshed out. Marvel really expected people to have read Infinity to know who they were. While it definitely is a plot device in this movie, that blad is very capable of what it did to Vision. But, again, it wasn't fleshed out.

Yeah I really didn't mean plot device in a bad way. Marvel sci fi weaponry is on another power tier, much like magic. Like you said it wasn't fleshed out enough, I could see an entire movie based around Thanos and the order, but with their busy schedule I can see why they didn't do that.

 

[heavyarms21]

It's kinda sad we didn't get the Black Order fleshed out. Marvel really expected people to have read Infinity to know who they were. While it definitely is a plot device in this movie, that blad is very capable of what it did to Vision. But, again, it wasn't fleshed out.

You know I think the Black Order got decent time to shine in the Context of presenting above average henchmen to the regular movie goers. Yes most comics readers will wish that they had more to them since Hickman did such a great job with Infinity . But each of the Black Order was a Bitch and a Half to take down and they had their time to shine.

Ebony Maw - Overpowered Strange , Stark and Spidey had to be sneaky to catch him off guard.

Cull Obsdian/Black Dwarf -- Pretty much had Stark dead to Rights but Wong saved him. He had to be blown up crashing into a Wakanda Force Field to be taken out.

Proxima Midnight - Had Okoye, SW and BW on the Ropes. Took SW throwing her to a death wheel to finish her.

Corvus Glaive - Not given enough credit for sneaking up on Vision and greatly diminished his effectiveness because of his Glaive. Was overpowering Cap before vision used his own OP weapon on him.

 

[Mike]

I'm not seeing it. There was no serum to give him at that time, and why would something only give him super powers later?

I think what Zola was doing to him was implanting the spoken code which triggered his mind control, the words that Zemo used in Civil War. That's why it didn't have any immediate noticeable effect in Cap 1.

We've seen Black Widow take out a room full of people, that's no indication of powers.

He casually beat up widow, BP unsuited, falcon etc.

They don't do a great job of explaining it, but it's pretty clear the movie version of WS, like the comic version, has stats at Caps level.

That's why he can do stuff like fight evenly with Cap, curbstomp other street level characters, hurt iron man with shots etc.

 

[Midnighter]

I'm not seeing it. There was no serum to give him at that time, and why would something only give him super powers later?

I think what Zola was doing to him was implanting the spoken code which triggered his mind control, the words that Zemo used in Civil War. That's why it didn't have any immediate noticeable effect in Cap 1.

We've seen Black Widow take out a room full of people, that's no indication of powers.

They had an experimental serum they were giving them; that was the whole point of their experiments on them.

 

[Midnighter]

His overall ability comes from doing nothing but training and being sent on assassination missions for years and years, the only time he's displayed strength that was clearly beyond that of a normal human it was with the metal arm.

Nah

 

[Pride23]

The WS is over 100 years old and still looks pretty good, he has had enhancements. It is not just the arm.

 

[Dr Curtis Love]

Winter Soldier mentions being 100 years old. He was besties with Cap in the 40's. You don't stay that young from pushups.

 

[Dr Curtis Love]

The WS is over 100 years old and still looks pretty good, he has had enhancements. It is not just the arm.

Winter Soldier mentions being 100 years old. He was besties with Cap in the 40's. You don't stay that young from pushups.

Ahhh touche

 

[Madmick]

If Vision is indeed sentient then you can assume he has developed an appreciation for his existence. So anything that threatens his existence could be construed as fear to him and felt as something akin to pain.

Mr Data used to explain this that while he was not afraid per se, he did not want to die or cease to exist.

Thank you. Vision is the most overrated can in the series. Thanos's goons made him their bitch without even breaking a sweat.

They had him get sneak attacked by a plot device sci fi weapon precisely because he's so powerful.

It's kinda sad we didn't get the Black Order fleshed out. Marvel really expected people to have read Infinity to know who they were. While it definitely is a plot device in this movie, that blad is very capable of what it did to Vision. But, again, it wasn't fleshed out.

I didn't read the comic Pride mentions, here, but I think many viewers are overlooking the rock-paper-scissors dimension of the MCU that is always at play.

For example, in the forest of Sokovia, where he destroys Ultron, what does he use? He focuses the power of the mind stone. Ultron is a computer. The rest of the Avengers struggled greatly against Ultron, obviously, but being the synergy of pure synthetic algorithm, what defense did Ultron have against Vision and the Mind Stone? Vision literally unraveled him in a moment; because that's all Ultron was. He had no flesh, no conscience, no soul. It was like The Matrix. We were little more than a virus to him, but ironically, he was little more than a virus himself to Vision, so destroying him was little different than zapping a computer virus. He may have been overwhelmingly powerful, but he was also overwhelmingly one-dimensional.

Thanos suffers no such weakness.

His overall ability comes from doing nothing but training and being sent on assassination missions for years and years, the only time he's displayed strength that was clearly beyond that of a normal human it was with the metal arm.

Yes, he does.

He jumps off a bridge and lands over three stories below on the top of a car like he was hopping off a curb. A normal human being cannot sustain a fall like that. Remember the first time Cap throws his shield at him not knowing it's Bucky after chasing him across the rooftops following Bucky's assassination attempt on Fury? That shield throw would have cut the normal human in half. That's like catching a bullet the size of a sled. Your arm doesn't absorb that force. He throws the shield himself so hard at Cap at one point that when it misses it lodges itself halfway into a nearby Van. He knocks Captain America around. He clearly has super strength. He also has super durability. He takes shots from Captain America that would kill the normal man (ex. running knee to the chest into that van).

Where in the hell do you get these ideas? They make his extraordinary strength and durability so obvious.

 

[Midnighter]

He was also running faster than those cars in Civil War.

 

[Mike]

I didn't read the comic Pride mentions, here, but I think many viewers are overlooking the rock-paper-scissors dimension of the MCU that is always at play.

For example, in the forest of Sokovia, where he destroys Ultron, what does he use? He focuses the power of the mind stone. Ultron is a computer. The rest of the Avengers struggled greatly against Ultron, obviously, but being the synergy of pure synthetic algorithm, what defense did Ultron have against Vision and the Mind Stone? Vision literally unraveled him in a moment; because that's all Ultron was. He had no flesh, no conscience, no soul. It was like The Matrix. We were little more than a virus to him. He may have been overwhelmingly powerful, but he was also overwhelmingly one-dimensional.

Thanos suffers no such weakness.

Yes, he does.

He jumps off a bridge and lands over three stories below on the top of a car like he was hopping off a curb. A normal human being cannot sustain a fall like that.Remember the first time Cap throws his shield at him not knowing who is after chasing him across the rooftops following his assassination attempt on Fury? That shield throw would have cut the normal human in half. hat's like catching a bullet the size of a stone. Your arm doesn't absorb that force. He throws the shield himself so hard at Cap at one point that when it misses it lodges itself halfway into a nearby Van. He knocks Captain America around. He clearly has super strength. He also has super durability. He takes shots from Captain America that would kill the normal man (ex. running knee to the chest into that van).

Where in the hell do you get these ideas? They make his extraordinary strength and durability so obvious.

Yeah although they didn't explain well WHY he is as strong and durable as Cap, I felt like every single time he appeared it was made quite clear he is on that level.