Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR v.12

[Mike]

What badassery did Vision do in the comics? I had a feeling he was powerful due to turning into diamond density and phasing like Kitty Pryde into stuff/people and causing damage like that.

Vision is insanely powerful, and often loses via plot device because otherwise a lot of problems would end as soon as he shows up. Same as Dr. Strange. Vision has a ridiculously diverse power set for a marvel character.

 

[liljoe]

Vision is insanely powerful, and often loses via plot device because otherwise a lot of problems would end as soon as he shows up. Same as Dr. Strange. Vision has a ridiculously diverse power set for a marvel character.

Yes you are correct. Vision has been mostly nerfed since he came along.

This is a pretty cool unfinished deleted scene of Vision going toe to toe against Thor and making it look easy.

 

[cottagecheesefan]

I didn't read the comic Pride mentions, here, but I think many viewers are overlooking the rock-paper-scissors dimension of the MCU that is always at play.

For example, in the forest of Sokovia, where he destroys Ultron, what does he use? He focuses the power of the mind stone. Ultron is a computer. The rest of the Avengers struggled greatly against Ultron, obviously, but being the synergy of pure synthetic algorithm, what defense did Ultron have against Vision and the Mind Stone? Vision literally unraveled him in a moment; because that's all Ultron was. He had no flesh, no conscience, no soul. It was like The Matrix. We were little more than a virus to him. He may have been overwhelmingly powerful, but he was also overwhelmingly one-dimensional.

Thanos suffers no such weakness.

Yes, he does.

He jumps off a bridge and lands over three stories below on the top of a car like he was hopping off a curb. A normal human being cannot sustain a fall like that.Remember the first time Cap throws his shield at him not knowing who is after chasing him across the rooftops following his assassination attempt on Fury? That shield throw would have cut the normal human in half. hat's like catching a bullet the size of a stone. Your arm doesn't absorb that force. He throws the shield himself so hard at Cap at one point that when it misses it lodges itself halfway into a nearby Van. He knocks Captain America around. He clearly has super strength. He also has super durability. He takes shots from Captain America that would kill the normal man (ex. running knee to the chest into that van).

Where in the hell do you get these ideas? They make his extraordinary strength and durability so obvious.

Great summary of Ultron.

And yes, as you and others have said, Bucky is for sure on the best of PEDs. Didn't he beat the shit out of Capt and would have killed, if not for memories of their friendship?

 

[Grob]

Have watched this a half dozen times now. Also watched the 1st Avengers and Ultron again. Two things to nitpick. Drax “invisible” scene could have been cut.

2nd. I wish they would focus more on the children of thanos. I’m tired of seeing the heroes easily dispatch hordes of generic baddies. Noone was in danger of being beaten by those mindless 4 arm dogs. A civil war type battle between the Avengers and Order would have been a nice change.

 

[Mike]

Yes you are correct. Vision has been mostly nerfed since he came along.

This is a pretty cool unfinished deleted scene of Vision going toe to toe against Thor and making it look easy.

Wow this is awesome as hell, wish they had used it in the movie. Thanks for sharing. Vision has a ridiculous powerset and if he wasn't written to lose could beat up most of the Avengers single handed:

• Density control including intangibility
• Flight
• Energy beams
• Super strength and durability
• Phasing his limbs through solid matter
• Very intelligent and expert tactician
• Phasing ability disrupts electronics

 

[heavyarms21]

Have watched this a half dozen times now. Also watched the 1st Avengers and Ultron again. Two things to nitpick. Drax “invisible” scene could have been cut.

2nd. I wish they would focus more on the children of thanos. I’m tired of seeing the heroes easily dispatch hordes of generic baddies. Noone was in danger of being beaten by those mindless 4 arm dogs. A civil war type battle between the Avengers and Order would have been a nice change.

The Dogs had Cap , Black Panther and Hulk Buster on the Ropes and Black Dwarf took out War Machines attacks from above. It took Thor with a Brand New Weapon that Augmented his Power even more , an Alien Tree and a Gun Toting Racoon to turn the tide. The threat was adequate.

 

[Bald1]

The Dogs had Cap , Black Panther and Hulk Buster on the Ropes and Black Dwarf took out War Machines attacks from above. It took Thor with a Brand New Weapon that Augmented his Power even more , an Alien Tree and a Gun Toting Racoon to turn the tide. The threat was adequate.

*Gun Toting Sweet Rabbit

 

[chickenluver]

They don't do a great job of explaining it, but it's pretty clear the movie version of WS, like the comic version, has stats at Caps level.

Ok now this I now for certain is incorrect. In the comic it is specifically mentioned that after the Soviets found him they checked his blood for the serum, he didn't have any, and they didn't have any to give to him.

The WS is over 100 years old and still looks pretty good, he has had enhancements. It is not just the arm.

Winter Soldier mentions being 100 years old. He was besties with Cap in the 40's. You don't stay that young from pushups.

Looking young comes from having been frozen for many years.

edit: the most concrete information is that he was given unspecified "treatments", not sure who stated this in the movies. Not the super serum though, because they didn't have any. The combination of training, the arm, and whatever these "treatments" are was meant to pick him on the same level as Captain.

Here's a good post about it I found.

"Buckys case is very unique and interesting. But in most cases it can be broken down simply. In comics bucky is peak human and his metal arm solely gives him superhuman strength. In the MCU the dynamic is actually quite similar. He is enhanced to some extent but his metal arm is stronger than the rest of his body.

Unlike what many people say Bucky did not receive a recreation of the super soldier formula. In fact it's left very vague what happened to him that enhanced him. We just know that the experiments allowed him to survive the fall in the first movie at the cost of his arm. And afforded him some degree of superhuman strength and ability.

Shown here when he manages to evade a car and drop down from an incredible height without damage:

Aside from that buckys arm itself is incredibly strong even vastly stronger than both of caps arms. Shown here where buckys arm overpowered Steve with little to no difficulty

Aside from that Steve is incredibly strong too and was able to curl a helicopter.

So in summary, yes bucky’s physicality is similar to that of steve’s but his arm is greatly stronger."

 

[Thad Castle v2]

this fucking movie almost made me tear up, epic AF

 

[Midnighter]

Ok now this I now for certain is incorrect. In the comic it is specifically mentioned that after the Soviets found him they checked his blood for the serum, he didn't have any, and they didn't have any to give to him.

The point of the experimenting was brainwashing. When was a serum mentioned or seen?


Looking young comes from having been frozen for many years.

Hmm maybe you're right about the brainwashing. When was he frozen? And he hasn't aged since he killed Tony's parents at the very least.

He also has feats of superhuman strength and speed anyway.

 

[Pugilistic]

Of course Winter Soldier is super human. How would he go toe to toe with Cap otherwise?

 

[Thad Castle v2]

Captain America and Winter Soldier kicking Iron Man's smug ass is epic as well (yes different movie)

 

[Dragonlordxxxxx]

@chickenluver

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Winter_Soldier

Artificially Enhanced Physiology: Barnes was one of many prisoners of war used in Zola's quest to recreate the Super Soldier Serum and received an alternate formula variation. There were no apparent effects at the time of his rescue by Steve Rogers, but the changes brought on Barnes' body were sufficient to let him survive plunging into an icy river at the bottom of a fall that should have killed him. Zola further refined Barnes' body in the Winter Soldier Program, ultimately creating an enhanced soldier with physical abilities equal to the Captain America, and without mental enhancements or psychological instabilities which continue to plague similar programs into the 21st century. Like Captain America he too has early levels of superhuman conditioning, due to his Super-Soldier physiology.

• Enhanced Strength: As the Winter Soldier, Barnes's physical strength is immensely enhanced to the early levels of superhuman condition by a series of treatments performed on him by HYDRAscientists. He has used his legs and right arm to strike enemies with tremendous force and his physical might is easily on par with Captain America.
  • Bionic Arm: HYDRA also removed the remnants of his severed left arm and replaced the missing limb with a cybernetic one. The bionic arm gives him extraordinary superhuman strength superior equal to that of Captain America, though not quite on par with that of Spider-Man. Winter Soldier was able to rip open a S.H.I.E.L.D armored SUV, rip apart Falcon's EXO-7 suit, and smash concrete by punching it. With his bionic arm supporting his already enhanced natural strength, the Winter Soldier was shown to be able to overpower Captain America in a fight.
• Enhanced Durability: Winter Soldier's bones and muscles are apparently vastly denser and more resilient than a normal human's. He even managed to survive a fatal fall from immense heights into Daube River in the Swiss Alps. Arnim Zola's further experiments greatly fortified his physique to the extent that he routinely leaps from significant heights onto hard surfaces and lands without any apparent injury.
• Enhanced Speed: Winter Soldier's speed is tremendously enhanced beyond the peak of human potential, moving into the early levels of superhuman condition. Bucky's speed is equal to both Black Panther and Captain America, as he was able to stay ahead of them with a slight head start. In combat, he can easily keep up with the extremely agile Black Widow and Black Panther.
• Enhanced Agility: Winter Soldier's vastly enhanced agility is superior to even Olympic gold medalists. He could quickly leap on top of midsize cars in a single bound and do complicated acrobatic flips to avoid gunfire into cover.
• Enhanced Stamina: Winter Soldier's musculature produces far less fatigue toxins during physical activity than the musculature of an ordinary human, allowing him to exert himself at peak capacity for hours before tiring. Hence, he could endure the Clash of the Avengers and the later showdown at the HYDRA Research Base without showing signs of fatigue.
• Enhanced Reflexes: Winter Soldier's reflexes are enhanced to extraordinary levels. His reflexes are responsive enough to catch Captain America's shield being thrown at him at a high velocity. He was also able to catch enemy grenades thrown at him, dodge fire from Falcon's Steyr SPPs, and leap on top of a moving car accelerating towards him with pinpoint accuracy.
• Regenerative Healing Factor: Winter Soldier's body is able to heal with extraordinary speed and efficiency, that are beyond of a regular human being, though he is unable to regenerate missing limbs. This may be one of the factors of his survival from the Swiss Alps. Also, the injuries he had received during his battle with Iron Man healed in a matter of days without bruises or scars.

 

[heavyarms21]

Of course Winter Soldier is super human. How would he go toe to toe with Cap otherwise?

Heart and a Can Do attitude

 

[Pugilistic]

Heart and a Can Do attitude

One thing that was kind of odd about the battle scene in Wakanda was that they show Cap and Black Panther run ahead of the group to attack the monsters to show their superhuman ability. Bucky has the same ability but he didn't run. Well I guess he had that gun but if a normal machine gun can mow down those things I don't know why they didn't just set up turrets with the awesome tech Wakanda has. A gripe I always had about these movies.

Shows a cosmic threat a powerful alien race which needs superheroes to be defeated. Said aliens can be killed with a regular gun, defeating the purpose of needing superheroes.

 

[chickenluver]

Hmm maybe you're right about the brainwashing. When was he frozen? And he hasn't aged since he killed Tony's parents at the very least.

He also has feats of superhuman strength and speed anyway.

Well know I'm thinking it was both brainwashing and physical enhancement of some unspecified sort, just not any variation of the serum, because Hydra didn't get their hands on that until Bucky himself stole it from the Starks in the 90's.

He was frozen periodically in between missions. That's why there would be a string a major assassinations and then he would drop off the map for a decade or whatever. In the comic they explain that this was done because keeping him awake creates the risk that he starts to remember his previous life. There is a line in the movie when Zola says "Put him back on ice."

 

[chickenluver]

http://marvelcinematicuniverse.wikia.com/wiki/Winter_Soldier

Fair enough, I was getting it mixed up with the comic. Still is vague though, apparently the result of years of various experiments combined with training rather than a one-time "power-up."

 

[Madmick]

With what super serum? The only serum ever made was used first on Red Skull and then on Steve Rogers.

It doesn't happen. The metal arm is the only augment they give him, the brainwashing and memory wiping the way to control him.

He's not a super solider though. He was trained as an elite assassin and has the metal arm which has much greater strength than a human arm, but he never got any super solider serum or anything like that. He's closer to Black Widow or Hawkeye than to Captain America.

I'm not seeing it. There was no serum to give him at that time, and why would something only give him super powers later?

His overall ability comes from doing nothing but training and being sent on assassination missions for years and years, the only time he's displayed strength that was clearly beyond that of a normal human it was with the metal arm.

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Ok now this I now for certain is incorrect. In the comic it is specifically mentioned that after the Soviets found him they checked his blood for the serum, he didn't have any, and they didn't have any to give to him.


Looking young comes from having been frozen for many years.

edit: the most concrete information is that he was given unspecified "treatments", not sure who stated this in the movies. Not the super serum though, because they didn't have any. The combination of training, the arm, and whatever these "treatments" are was meant to pick him on the same level as Captain.

Here's a good post about it I found.

"Buckys case is very unique and interesting. But in most cases it can be broken down simply. In comics bucky is peak human and his metal arm solely gives him superhuman strength. In the MCU the dynamic is actually quite similar. He is enhanced to some extent but his metal arm is stronger than the rest of his body.

Unlike what many people say Bucky did not receive a recreation of the super soldier formula. In fact it's left very vague what happened to him that enhanced him. We just know that the experiments allowed him to survive the fall in the first movie at the cost of his arm. And afforded him some degree of superhuman strength and ability.

Shown here when he manages to evade a car and drop down from incredible height without damage.

credible height without damage:

Aside from that buckys arm itself is incredibly strong even vastly stronger than both of caps arms. Shown here where buckys arm overpowered Steve with little to no difficulty

Aside from that Steve is incredibly strong too and was able to curl a helicopter.

So in summary, yes bucky’s physicality is similar to that of steve’s but his arm is greatly stronger."

Dude, we know. We all knew. He's a super soldier of some kind. We just don't know the specifics. More than likely Zola's experiments on him are what allowed him to survive the experiments by HYDRA that other POWs couldn't (not just the fall)-- which is why Bucky was the only of his kind, and why HYDRA needed to send him to steal more advanced attempts to rediscover the serum as investigated by Howard Stark. Now...

 

[LuchaBear]

The WS is over 100 years old and still looks pretty good, he has had enhancements. It is not just the arm.

I forget about this sometimes. He does have enhancements. It just seems like since turning good, they haven't really shown this much.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Vision is extremely powerful even in the comic books.

Imo his power set was toned down in the movies.