Movies AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR v.12

[MikeMcMann]

@KnightTemplar @PRIDEWASBETTER @KONG-D'SNT-TAP

Is Stormbreaker stronger than the complete Gauntlet?

That video on the last page showed Thanos use all 6 stones to try to stop Stormbreaker and it failed. How strong is this axe thing?

Also how durable is this motherfucker Thanos? That powerful axe thrown by Thor hit him in the chest and he lives to be able to do the snap, teleport away and then break out the iced tea while watching the sunset. How did it not just slice through his body?

1)Stormbreaker was specifically created - in the same Forge the Gauntlet was made - to kill Thanos. It's Mjolnir with the Knobs Turned up to Eleven. The most powerful hand-held weapon in the Universe.

2)Thanos is incredibly strong and durable even without the Gauntlet. With the power remaining in it after the Finger Snap of Doom, he was able to teleport himself away before Thor finished him, and heal from the chest wound. However, the Russo's have confirmed that neither Thanos nor the Gauntlet are operating at peak capacity in Avengers 4. Which is why the Mad Titan will be wearing armour and using a weapon in A4.

Pretty much everything @KnightTemplar said. That being said, Stormbreaker is NOT stronger than the COMPLETE gauntlet. Thanos's bravado got the best of him and it almost cost him his life.

i think you also have to consider it was a special purpose weapon designed by Eitri to specifically kill Thanos with the Gauntlet. So as the craftsmen behind each of them he would have a unique view of any possible way to exploit the gauntlet and empower the Axe. Remember Eitri has the knowledge as arguably the best weapons master craftsman in the Universe to know what can exploit and counter what.

The Axe might be more powerful for that sole purpose then say, a fight with Surtur where it might be more like Mjolnir in terms of effectiveness.

 

[MikeMcMann]

I just find it super hard to believe that Stormbreaker can overwhelm the combined power of the gems on the gauntlet. The gauntlet is the most feared weapon in the universe and yet it can't beat Stormbreaker in a head to head matchup?

I dunno.... :/

if you re-watch the scene Thanos is clearly reeling a bit when he adds Visions stone to the gauntlet. You can actually see with each Stone a little impact to him. Remember the gauntlet may tame the Stones but they are still not easy to wield and would likely not be wield-able at all without the gauntlet.

Thor's strike takes Thanos off guard, and as said Thanos just tries to Brute force the Axe away not suspecting it has unique enchantment and resistance designed exactly for this purpose.

 

[Adamant]

It's not the gauntlet which gives Thanos the power, it's the stones in the gauntlet. And nothing anyone in the universe makes is gonna be able to overpower the infinity stones. Most certainly not when they're all together.

 

[MikeMcMann]

The gauntlet allows him to control the power and if a weapon can be devised, and they want to write it that way, that can disrupt that control then it makes perfect sense.


It is very clear that the gauntlet is not the power source which would make it the vulnerability point.

 

[Adamant]

But it doesn't add up the way they're portraying it. If you know anything about the Infinity Gauntlet or the stones themselves, then you'd know that "making the gauntlet itself the weak point" is ridiculous.

 

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[PRIDEWASBETTER]

@SaiWa


Apparently the gauntlet has been nerfed all to hell in the MCU. It's sad. The gauntlet in the comics could have wiped out a trillion stormbreakers simultaneously with absolutely no problem whatsoever. Yet Thanos can't even slow one down here with all the stones in place. He should have been able to stop it literally any way he wanted. Ugh. It makes you wonder what the point is of bringing in something like that if they're not going to use it the way it's supposed to be used. If they're gonna bring in an ultimate artifact like the Infinity Gauntlet and then nerf it to bolivian just to serve their contrived story, then they should have just used a different artifact.

I'll say this: Even in the Comics, when Thanos had the complete IG, the plan was to keep the pressure on him so he couldn't adapt to the power. Thor gets on Thanos pretty quick to prevent anything worse from happening. Thanos just snaps and leaves. Just my two cents.

 

[MikeMcMann]

But it doesn't add up the they they're portraying it. If you know anything about the Infinity Gauntlet or the stones themselves, then you'd know that "making the gauntlet itself the weak point" is ridiculous.

We don't really know much about the Gauntlet in the MCU and you cannot simply use CBU as the base. If the MCU has written it that Eitri knows that the composition of the Gauntlet he crafted is such that, it is like a power transformer and it can be disrupted or is vulnerable to a certain magic or metal or chemistry we cannot simply say 'that was not in the CBU and therefore it does not make sense'.

Certainly the guy who crafted the gauntlet could know if there is an vulnerability to it.

 

[Adamant]

@PRIDEWASBETTER

I'll say this: Even in the Comics, when Thanos had the complete IG, the plan was to keep the pressure on him so he couldn't adapt to the power. Thor gets on Thanos pretty quick to prevent anything worse from happening. Thanos just snaps and leaves. Just my two cents.

But wasn't this because Thanos willingly allowed the heroes to have something like a 10% chance of success? It was completely his choice that allowed them to have any kind of an offense (or chance) at all.

I might have been less offended if this was incorporated into the movie. At least then I could say "Oh, I see. So Stormbreaker was able to do that because Thanos gave the heroes a 10% chance." But as is...... ugh!

 

[Adamant]

We don't really know much about the Gauntlet in the MCU and you cannot simply use CBU as the base. If the MCU has written it that Eitri knows that the composition of the Gauntlet he crafted is such that, it is like a power transformer and it can be disrupted or is vulnerable to a certain magic or metal or chemistry we cannot simply say 'that was not in the CBU and therefore it does not make sense'.

Certainly the guy who crafted the gauntlet could know if there is an vulnerability to it.

A vulnerability to the glove itself makes sense (even though the glove is of no pertinence in the comics....it's merely what Thanos happens to use to hold the stones together - indiscriminate) but even in the movie, when the stones are in it it shouldn't matter. They are the ultimate and whatever he wills, is. If he wants to instantly make Stormbreaker useless, then that's how it should be.

But alas, they do indeed seem to cherry-pick what they like from the comics, or outright make up whatever they want on the fly, and leave out lots of other stuff with little regard for the source material (in a lot of cases). So....bah. Contrived, contrived, contrived.

 

[PRIDEWASBETTER]

@PRIDEWASBETTER


But wasn't this because Thanos willingly allowed the heroes to have something like a 10% chance of success? It was completely his choice that allowed them to have any kind of an offense (or chance) at all.

I might have been less offended if this was incorporated into the movie. At least then I could say "Oh, I see. So Stormbreaker was able to do that because Thanos gave the heroes a 10% chance." But as is...... ugh!

You're absolutely right. He was toying with them in the Comics.

 

[Clippy]

Thanos JUST and I mean JUST got the gauntlet complete

YOu don't just get into a car without ever having drove in your live and are a flawless driver

And Thor thunderstruck him unexpectedly and Thanos was confused and the wtf flying Asguardian Axe thing flying at him I mean come on

He got got fair and square

 

[Midnighter]

Also in the comics literally anyone can use the stones without any danger, so they've already been altered in that sense.

I also don't remember the gauntlet needing to be made.

I'm willing to accept that it takes awhile for Thanos to adjust to using it to its full extent.

 

[MikeMcMann]

A vulnerability to the glove itself makes sense (even though the glove is of no pertinence in the comics....it's merely what Thanos happens to use to hold the stones together - indiscriminate) but even in the movie, when the stones are in it it shouldn't matter. They are the ultimate and whatever he wills, is. If he wants to instantly make Stormbreaker useless, then that's how it should be.

But alas, they do indeed seem to cherry-pick what they like from the comics, or outright make up whatever they want on the fly, and leave out lots of other stuff with little regard for the source material (in a lot of cases). So....bah. Contrived, contrived, contrived.

Its not contrived.

This forum touches on this topic often and as much as us comic book nerds want the movies to be the extension of the CBU and the last issues published the MCU knows that makes no sense.

Thanos used to get around in a freakin helicopter in teh CBU and like all characters GREW into his power over time just like the hero's did. So complaints about hero's or villians nerfed are just not accurate. The MCU wants a progression, which makes the most sense, because if we started with World Breaker Hulk and Odin force Thor and then every threat needs to be Thanos with the full powered infinity gauntlet and then we truly need squirrel to reset everything.

And it get it. Many comic book nerds will say 'I don't care... I want full power' but the MCU does not owe us that and are smart not to give it if they want this universe to last 20+ years.

 

[Clippy]

Its not contrived.

This forum touches on this topic often and as much as us comic book nerds want the movies to be the extension of the CBU and the last issues published the MCU knows that makes no sense.

Thanos used to get around in a freakin helicopter in teh CBU and like all characters GREW into his power over time just like the hero's did. So complaints about hero's or villians nerfed are just not accurate. The MCU wants a progression, which makes the most sense, because if we started with World Breaker Hulk and Odin force Thor and then every threat needs to be Thanos with the full powered infinity gauntlet and then we truly need squirrel to reset everything.

And it get it. Many comic book nerds will say 'I don't care... I want full power' but the MCU does not owe us that and are smart not to give it if they want this universe to last 20+ years.

Well said

I hope they remember you

 

[TrueBias]

Seeing this was pretty funny knowing that only nerds knew what it meant. Everyone else was like "......whaaaa?"

Exactly, i didnt fucking know. And now there is STILL no trailer for her movie..

 

[liljoe]

Thanos JUST and I mean JUST got the gauntlet complete

YOu don't just get into a car without ever having drove in your live and are a flawless driver

And Thor thunderstruck him unexpectedly and Thanos was confused and the wtf flying Asguardian Axe thing flying at him I mean come on

He got got fair and square

You got it!

 

[Adamant]

@Clippy

Thanos JUST and I mean JUST got the gauntlet complete

YOu don't just get into a car without ever having drove in your live and are a flawless driver

And Thor thunderstruck him unexpectedly and Thanos was confused and the wtf flying Asguardian Axe thing flying at him I mean come on

He got got fair and square

Well, considering that he'd been working with each stone leading up to that moment for the whole movie (gaining real-world experience), and seemed to know almost everything there was to know about the stones.... within the context of the movie and the MCU, that shouldn't have been an issue IMO.

 

[Adamant]

Its not contrived.

This forum touches on this topic often and as much as us comic book nerds want the movies to be the extension of the CBU and the last issues published the MCU knows that makes no sense.

Thanos used to get around in a freakin helicopter in teh CBU and like all characters GREW into his power over time just like the hero's did. So complaints about hero's or villians nerfed are just not accurate. The MCU wants a progression, which makes the most sense, because if we started with World Breaker Hulk and Odin force Thor and then every threat needs to be Thanos with the full powered infinity gauntlet and then we truly need squirrel to reset everything.

And it get it. Many comic book nerds will say 'I don't care... I want full power' but the MCU does not owe us that and are smart not to give it if they want this universe to last 20+ years.

Well, it's a little disheartening when the cartoon can get things mostly right but live action can't. If only the MCU would stick to things as closely as the TV shows, we'd really be in business. Not to mention, by now, as it is, 10 years later, I think it's time these guys finally grew into their prime. Especially since some of them are already on their way out.

As for the Thanos-copter. lol, that's a long way off from the IG arc, but I see what you're saying. However, purely in terms of the Gauntlet, once Thanos had it fully assembled there was no learning curve for him. He had it and was immediately in business. No one in the universe could stand against him if he didn't directly allow it. I don't think there's any problem giving something like that a proper showing in the MCU. It really makes no sense if you're gonna bring in the big guns....the ULTIMATE big gun, and then not go all out with it.

I understand growing into power and earning the big ones, such as WBH and Odin Force Thor, but when characters have already started out lower than their modern comicbook counterparts, with some continuing to get weaker as the films go on, it's definitely the opposite of progression or working towards something greater. At least it feels that way. Some of them are indeed downright nerfed, not only compared to the comics, but compared to their previous film/s in the MCU.

Anyway, I'm happy they finally decided to boost Thor a bit. I just wish it wasn't at the expense of the IG. Hopefully by the time Thor's next adventure (post-Thanos) rolls around we'll be on to the Runes. And hopefully they get a proper showing. Then again, if we do some math here for a moment..... current Thor with Stormbreaker overpowered Thanos using a fully formed Infinity Gauntlet.....so does that mean Odin Force Thor or Rune King Thor w/ Stormbreaker >>>>>>>>>> Thanos with the Infinity Gauntlet? Ugh, see, this is why I hate it when they break away from the source material so much. It opens up a whole can of worms.

Anyway, 10 years in and we still have yet to see Thor shoot off a God Blast. Not a single one. And this is something that even base-Thor can do.



I definitely do want fully powered heroes and hope to see it someday. But if we go another 10 years without seeing Odin Force (or Rune King) Thor, World Breaker Hulk, Skin Armor Iron Man, etc, I will indeed be severely disappointed. Of course, things like that do need to be built up to. But how freaking long are we gonna have to wait? Yeah, they don't "owe us" that stuff, but why wouldn't they want to give it to us? It's the creme de la creme.