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    Update: April 25, 2018

    Dragonlord’s Review of AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR
    (No Spoilers)

    Bottom Line: Skillfully balancing the different tone and characters, Avengers: Infinity War is an extraordinary crossover event that not only is ambitious in its scale and massive in its scope but as emotional and haunting at its core. This is MCU's Empire Strikes Back.

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    [Note: For this non-spoiler Infinity War review, I will be as vague as possible with the details to make it as safe for everyone to read.]

    If you’re a comic book fan, there was something special when you read a crossover event for the first time. Whether it was Secret Wars or Crisis on Infinite Earths or Infinity Gauntlet, it felt like a momentous occasion seeing the various iconic characters and teams gather together in one comic book series. That is how it must feel like for the Marvel Cinematic Universe fans watching Avengers: Infinity War.

    A 10-year culmination steadily built over the past 18 movies, Avengers: Infinity War exceeds the hype and anticipation to deliver arguably one of the greatest superhero movies ever. Unlike The Last Jedi where it spits in the eyes of their fanbase, Infinity War subverts expectations but in an extremely positive fashion. The plot twists are so staggering and affecting that it demands that you watch it as soon as possible to avoid being spoiled by your friends or the media.

    Despite the overall awesomeness of the film, it has its small share of flaws. Clearly meant for those that have faithfully followed the MCU, Infinity War does away with introductions or plot explanations on previous movies and dives straight after the events of Thor: Ragnarok. The first thing that stood out was Alan Silvestri’s bland, phoned-in orchestral score. The music didn’t fit, it felt intrusive and cheesy which diminished the gravitas of the scene a bit. Just to be clear, the scene is fine but the right score (or no score at all) would have made it better.

    From there, the story shifts to Earth where the film bombards you with action scene after action scene, bordering on exhausting. Marvel Studios normally does a good job of pacing its action but they might have overplayed it a little this time. They could also have developed a proper build-up and greater tension for Thanos and the Black Order’s arrival. The fight scenes are superbly done but a few times it’s too rapid and hard to follow, especially the night scenes.

    One of the enjoyable aspects of the film is seeing the different MCU characters meet for the first time, which they milk for maximum humor effect. The banter does get a bit tiresome and feels forced though when some of the more egotistical characters squabble amongst themselves to see who has the bigger dick. Though lot of the jokes are funny, the comedy goes a bit overboard for my taste and should have been reeled in.

    The first act had an uneven pacing where scene-to-scene transition didn't flow naturally. The turning point when the film starts to find its right footing is when Captain America shows up. It’s no coincidence that the film starts to flow smoother and moving in the right direction as Cap is one of the MCU’s major leader characters that doesn’t rely on quips and one-liners compared to some of his peers.

    Another inflection point for the better is when the perspective shifts to Thanos and his pursuit for the Infinity Stones at the film’s midpoint. Slightly reminiscent of Jim Starlin’s The Thanos Quest, not only does the audience get to know the Mad Titan better and his motivations, they’ll even be inexplicably compelled to root for him to get the Stones. Aside from Thanos being magnificently rendered on the screen as well as being a bad ass powerhouse, Josh Brolin gives a wonderful nuanced performance that shines through all the fantastic CGI effects. Not only is Thanos one of MCU's best villains, he joins the ranks of Gollum and Caesar as one of filmdom’s most memorable talking CGI characters ever.

    Skillfully balancing the different Marvel characters and giving every one of their portrayals justice, directors Anthony and Joe Russo and screenwriters Christopher Markus and Stephen McFeely have done an exemplary job creating an extraordinary crossover event that not only is ambitious in its scale and massive in its scope as it is emotional and haunting at its core. The two monumentally epic climactic battles is simply mind-blowing and worth the price of admission, multiple times. This is the MCU’s Empire Strikes Back.

    Rating: 9/10


    Spoiler Thoughts and Musings for AVENGERS: INFINITY WAR

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    Kinda felt bad for the Asgardians. Half of their race was probably killed by Hela in Thor: Ragnarok. The refugees escaped Asgard’s destruction but only to die by the hands of Thanos and the Black Order.

    With Heimdall killed by Thanos at the beginning, there goes one of the popular theories out of the window that Heimdall has the Soul Stone.

    As expected, Loki died. At least he went out with honor trying to kill Thanos. Also debunked is the theory that Loki was the one who summoned Thanos at the end of Thor: Ragnarok.

    Sif not part of Thor: Ragnarok turned out to be the best thing that could have happened to her. She would have been killed by Hela alongside the Warriors Three in Thor: Ragnarok. If by some chance she survived, she would have met her demise alongside the Asgardians by the hands of Thanos.

    They didn’t show Valkyrie, Korg and Meek among the casualties. Hopefully they survived somehow.

    Hulk versus Thanos was good but it wasn’t the epic brawl I was expecting. The actual fight was limited to a confined space and was all too brief. These two MCU behemoths deserved to duke it out in an open field where they can cut loose and all kinds of cool destructive moves take place.

    Why didn’t Heimdall send Thor to Earth instead of the Hulk?

    Hulk/Banner became the harbinger of doom in the film. In the Infinity Gauntlet comic book series, it was the Silver Surfer who was the messenger.

    Wished they spent at least 5 minutes building up the arrival of the Black Order to Earth. There was no proper build-up. Banner shows up and warns the heroes, then a few minutes later the Black Order showed up.

    Tony Stark and Dr. Strange bickering like children was a bit irksome because their conflict felt forced.

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    I got a laugh when Peter Parker asked Ned for a distraction and Ned shouts “We’re all going to die!” (which in the end is kinda true)

    I inherently don’t like the concept of nanotech suits popping up out of thin air but damn, Iron Man’s Bleeding Edge suit is bad-ass. It’s so powerful that it could go toe-to-toe with Thanos for a short while.

    Ebony Maw and Cull Obsidian fighting the heroes in New York was fun. I liked Ebony. His evangelical speeches didn’t do anything for me but I liked the way he talked – calm, refined and articulate. But the way he uses his telekinesis was very cool and highly effective.

    Cull Obsidian was pretty good. I liked that he wasn’t just like brawler-type and that they gave him some tech to work with especially his hammer which gave him ranged attacks.

    Cull Obsidian’s fight with Iron Man and Spider-Man was good but the action was a bit too fast and would have liked it if they slowed it a bit down to better digest and savor the battle.

    What’s interesting (and funny) is Banner cannot transform into the Hulk because Hulk refuses to go out, even saying out loud “no!” in mid-transformation. With Hulk being more intelligent now, he seems to have acquired the notion of fear after being brutally beaten by Thanos.

    Tony summoning the Iron Spider suit and saving Spider-Man was pretty cool. I wasn’t really enamored with the Iron Spider suit in the trailers but it has won me over especially seeing the spider-arms in action.

    Strange’s Cloak of Levitation was once again very funny. It has its own personality like the magic carpet in Disney’s Aladdin.

    It was mentioned that Ant-Man and Hawkeye are under house arrest. Both did not appear in this movie.

    Cap’s entrance was very cool. It also felt like the film finally had a clear direction and purpose.

    I liked Corvus Glaive and Proxima Midnight. They were solid and formidable opponents.

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    The Guardians bit where the team, except for Quill, would fawn over Thor and Quill’s insecurities were funny. I just found it unnatural for Thor to be so cheerful when his people and stepbrother were just massacred.

    Unlike in Age of Ultron, Thor’s side quest to forge a new weapon was both meaningful and entertaining. Peter Dinklage’s role is also revealed as an ironic giant dwarf who is the master forger.

    With Groot giving part of his body as the ax handle, Thor gets a brand new weapon – Stormbreaker. I heartily approve. I’ve said in the past that Mjolnir looks a bit awkward when Thor swings it into action and that Thor needed a Stormbreaker-like weapon that has a very long handle.

    Gamora plays a major part in the story as it is revealed that Thanos does love her. It was heartbreaking to see Thanos sacrificing her to get the Soul Stone.

    The biggest surprise of the movie was the return of the Red Skull. After he was banished by the Tesseract, he sort of became the keeper for the Soul Stone. It’s still unclear if that was Hugo Weaving portraying the Skull or was it his voice.

    The battle at Titan was epic. Star-Lord really impressed me with his fighting and tactical prowess. The Bleeding Armor was amazing. Also impressed with Tony's battle skills.

    When they were in the middle of getting the glove off Thanos and Star-Lord was about to jeopardize the plan, if I were Tony, I would have zapped Star-Lord unconscious.

    Dr. Strange also gave a good showing against Thanos. His shadow clone jutsu was very cool. And even though they tried to rationalize it, I still believe that Dr. Strange with the Eye of Agamotto/Time Stone would have been enough to defeat Thanos.

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    The battle at Wakanda was another epic moment. It’s a bit stupid the Wakandans didn’t employ ranged weapons against the Outriders but the battle is so spectacular you just go with it.

    Thor arriving at Wakanda was goosebump-inducing and a great fantastic moment. Banner yelling to the enemy “you’re all screwed!” was also great.

    Loved how Banner defeated Cull Obsidian without the Hulk’s help, who still had performance anxiety issues.

    Thanos was clearly toying with Cap and the team as he could have easily overpowered all of them. He also knew he had the Time Stone to undo events if necessary.

    So in the end, Thanos wins and kills half of the universe. My eyes got a bit teary-eyed when Peter Parker was dying. His pleas of “I don’t want to go. I don’t want to go” hit me in the feels. (I know I know they're not really dead and will come back in Avengers 4)

    I loved that the trailers used the "Cap and gang running hero shot" to fake us out. Hulk didn't even show up in Wakanda.

    I think Shuri will revive the Vision. I think she had enough of his memory to put him back together. The question now is the new Vision going to be cold and robotic. And will Vision's new form be the white (or grey) version.

    One of my daughters made an astute comment that if Thanos is omnipotent, why not just expand the universe or expand the resources so that no one goes hungry. I agree. Thanos’ imagination is so limited. Instead of killing half of the universe, he could magically cure most of its problems with the Gauntlet. She also had several theories and one of them is what if Thanos just created an alternate reality/universe where the other half of the population didn't die but just lived there.

    In the post-credits scene, Nick Fury and Maria Hill turn to Ash. Before dying, Fury managed to activate his overgrown pager which showed the symbol for Captain Marvel. My brain is filled with so many questions. Is Captain Marvel confined in the quantum realm? How does she fit inside the Infinity War storyline.

    I predict that at the end (or near the end) of the Captain Marvel movie that Carol Danvers will either fly off into space (or go in the Quantum Realm) and she will have a pager with her and she'll tell Nick Fury that if he/they need her, just page her.

    They say Carol Danvers is going to be one of the most powerful beings in the MCU. So that's good news because they're going to need that extra firepower going up against Thanos in Avengers 4.



    Link to previous Avengers: Infinity War threads: [1], [2], [/3], [4], [5], [6], [7], [8], [9], [10]
     
  2. iThrillhouse Silver Belt

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    finally watched this tonight in theatres

    movie was fucking legit

    i thought I was going to have serious superhero fatigue, but man this movie subverted my expectations hardcore

    this felt like a fucking horror movie wrapped in a marvel movie. setpieces were great. the wakanda shit was derivitive but i was with it the whole way.

    all the Thanos shit was great...finally a villain with depth and motivations that ACTUALLY make sense.

    comedy didnt feel out of place. the serious moments were handled well.

    this was definitely the Stark/Strange/Thor show.

    as far as im concerned, Thors plotline was the fucking best. second was Strange and Stark with Spidey...the guardians were great EXCEPT Quill. he"s a moron, and single handedly caused the doom of half the universe was hilarious.

    this moive had brutal deaths for both good and bad guys, like this shit was more brutal than fucking Lord of the Rings

    Not much else I can really go on about since im so late to the party but my favorite part of this movie, was that they didnt cheap out on the magic battle between Strange, Thanos and crew...any other movie could cheap out and just use laser blasts...but this was like...when Voldemort and Dumbledore use ACTUAL magic in the Order of the Phoenix...its like "holy shit...these guys are doing shit no one in the show can remotely even attempt!" ...but then the series progresses and the magic boils down to a green magic laser vs a blue magic laser.......its lazy. but this was HUGE for my appreciation of the movie....Strange/Tony/Thanos/Spidey fighting Thanos was incredible, it felt gritty, the magic was fucking awesome...GREAT setpiece . best in the series.

    I also want to pipe in and say this movie had better planet/world creation than the last 6 Star Wars movies combined...they felt rich and looked fucking incredible.

    but yeah...lot of holes in their plans and stuff...but i assume Strange saw all the flaws in his timetravel scene, and i assume the moment Thanos gets the time gem, is when Strange created a timeloop. like in the Strange movie with Doramammu. and the second movie will be the realization that Thanos is living in a loop. and they'll have a line of dialogue from Strange in the finale like, "14million outcomes Thanos, but this is the one you DON'T win" and then THor obliterates Thanos brain with his super hammer.

    but yeah great movie. thoroughly enjoyable. appealed to my shlock side, my marvel Stark sass humor side, my horror movie, body horror love...fuck it was good

    that and they utilized Strange/Thanos true powers in a great. beautiful setpiece. was like DBZ in real life with the moon shit...soooo good.

    also Captain America/Bucky/Black Widow were marginalized like fucking crazy which was a godsend because they all bore me to death.

    but yeah Thanos as a villain was 10/10. the scene where he kills Gamora was insane, and when he snaps his fingers and the audio drops as he speaks with child-gamora was straight out of the fucking twilight zone or something....creepy shit man

    9/10

    1 point deducted for killing off Strange and not fucking Black Widow
     
  3. iThrillhouse Silver Belt

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    Also someone clapped in my theatre when Thor arrived in Wakanda and I actually burst out laughing via second hand embarrassment

    Theatre was nothing but like adult neckbeards. Couldnt believe it.

    They may have also been reaching for the tissues when both Scarlett Johansen showed up and when Spiderman died


    I legit also didnt realize it was Scarjo, the blond hair threw me off. At first I thought it was Steve Rogers girlfriend from civil War
     
  4. A.A. Riggs sweet ... sweet meat!

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    Still a lot of fun despite the wildly varying power levels and contrived decision-making.

    And it's "field trip."
     
  5. IloveTHIS Humble Narcissist

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    FINALLY got to watch it last night. Wow, what a roller coaster of entertainment. Maybe the only movie over 2 hours long that I wanted to immediately replay

    Completely marked out for Thor in this movie. Hope he is the one that ends up bashing Thanos to pieces
     
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    Watched about 2 hours this morning before work. When I get home will start it over while eating dinner.

    Epic flick.
     
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    So maybe I'm an idiot for not expecting this, but I had no idea this was only part 1 of a series to be continued

    When it ended I was like WTF.

    Fucking hate waiting for closure
     
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  9. A.A. Riggs sweet ... sweet meat!

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    I get it, I mean might as well double their money

    I just wish I had a complete 4 hour movie to watch in stead of waiting. It was absolutely brutal waiting to see this one as long as I did with everyone telling me "omg u haven't seen it? I just saw it for the 7th time in IMAX yesterday"
     
  11. SmilinDesperado Gold Belt

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    On the plus side, we really don't have long to wait.
    It feels like most of these big trilogy type movies have a 2 year break between them.

    They filmed 1 and 2 back to back, so we've got less than a year wait.
    And Captain Marvel before that.
     
  12. TrueBias Silver Belt

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    Captain Marvel.

    I said what im about to say, months ago.

    They need to hurry the fuck up already with that bitch. I mean, i dont know anything about her and im expected to think this slut is gonna just swoop in here and steal the Avengers thunder? If so, how about some advertising? A teaser? A poster? Some titties?

    Weve gotten none of that. If shes awesome, fair enough, but sounds like a short window to convince us of it.
     
  13. SmilinDesperado Gold Belt

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    Have faith, my child.
    The church of Marvel has a plan.

    And let's remember where we are at at the end of IW. Thor has a kick ass axe that can kill Thanos. Tony, Banner, Nebula, Rocket, Cap, Hawkeye, Antman, War Machine, and then probably Captain Marvel are all still around.
    The gauntlet is busted, so Thanos shouldn't be able to use it.

    Captain Marvel isn't necessarily needed to beat Thanos. With Thor's new weapon, along with the rest of the Avengers, it feels like they should be able to defeat him.

    Fixing the damage is another story though
     
  14. MMouse Now you enter...the shredder Banned

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    Just gonna lol at ppl bashin captain marvel and making assumptions of sjw, feminism ect ect,

    Just wait and see MCU (kevin feige) execute it this female super hero much better than DCEU's wonder woman.

    (Only saying that because you got literally one guy overmapping every marvel movie)
     
  15. PRIDEWASBETTER Whatever it takes Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    I've been tempted to watch this on my Xbox lol

    I already bought it. All I have to do is hit play. My body isn't ready yet.
     
  16. Spoken Gold Belt

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    Is it available for digital download?
     
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    I think they’re smart to not advertise too quickly. Capt Marvel comes out in March, and then the avengers return in May.
     
  18. PRIDEWASBETTER Whatever it takes Staff Member Senior Moderator

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    Yep.
     
  19. TrueBias Silver Belt

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    Holy shit, thats a 2 month turn around.

    Why not air Cap Marvel at Christmas?!
     
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    Star Wars
     
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