Opinion Are U.S. Presidents Pawns of Israel or Is Israel a Pawn of U.S. Strategy?

[badascan]

None of the above? Israel knows it's best chance is any and every connection to the States and the US knows for its geo-political interests it needs Israel. I'd guess Israel would use the States and help in theory until it doesn't need them and will attempt to subvert and control all along the way while the States would use and help Israel in practice but never plan on controlling them?

 

[MetaIIica]

Yeah remember when Biden and Kamala received millions upon millions of bribes from China ? Oh wait

Pro-Israel Recipients

See aggregated party breakdowns and incumbency status of recipients of contributions from Pro-Israel industries/interest groups for every election cycle from 1998 to 2024.

www.opensecrets.org

Look up Hunter Bidens china dealings, my friend. "The Big Guy" isn't Trump.

 

[MetaIIica]

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jun/23/trump-israel-iran-nuclear-facilities-cia

Clearly, orange douche is on a severe power trip and needs to be removed from office. Can the US, or the world for that matter actually get through another 4 years of this insanity?

Worst president in modern times. Even worse than sleepy joe. Dare I say one of the worst leaders in modern times and I come from the land of Justine Trudope. History will not be kind. I can almost guarantee it.

It's easy to say someone is the worst president of all time, when they were elected into one of the worst situations in american history. Ironically, all of this started under Joe Biden, which a lot of people here seem to ignore, and just blame the orange man bad!!!!

Bunch a' goofballs

 

[Son of Jamin]

NATO is a stronger ally and Trump had no issue throwing them under the bus even.

Israel outright sabotaged Trump's administration efforts through an ally in Turkey with Iran to try to avoid a conflict, not to mention that Israel was behind's Trumps scrapping the Iranian deal in the first place leading to the conflict.

The gaslight is real, there are no allies in the Middle East, only interests and American top interests in the Middle East are Saudi Arabia and Turkey, helping Israel just pushes those allies away.

China is going to step in eventually once the dust settles

Why would that push Saudi Arabia away?

They are close to Israel, that is also why Hamas massacred Israelis on the 7/10, they feared the normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Hamas Wanted to Torpedo Israel-Saudi Deal With Oct. 7 Attacks, Documents Reveal​

Militant leader Yahya Sinwar feared progress on peace would doom the Palestinian cause​

https://www.wsj.com/world/middle-east/hamas-wanted-to-torpedo-israel-saudi-deal-with-oct-7-attacks-documents-reveal-a70ec560

 

[Koya]

Why would that push Saudi Arabia away?

They are close to Israel, that is also why Hamas massacred Israelis on the 7/10, they feared the normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

Because israel is looking more and more like unstable lunatics governed by religious fanatics - which they are - than a stable country that is an asset to have as an ally. They're so warmongering they are a liability to the USA and Saudi want less and less to be part of that with each new insane development

 

[WhiteMousse]

Personally, I have wondered the same thing, but ultimately, potus must be the pawn since we pay Israel billions each year and they give us nothing in return

Well we get nothing, yes.

But the people in charge of the country have to be getting something. The pawns are us. Unwitting as we are

 

[Rod1]

Oh wow, Pelosi! The 80 year old alcoholic. Who cares? Biden was her president.
Im glad you used Biden as a way to ignore every single thing I mentioned about how Trump is tough on China, opposed to the Pelosi/Biden side.

Also Trump already tried to ban TikTok years ago, in-fact he did ban tik tok for a period of time.

Notice how this is about Israel and you claim that Biden is China bitch somehow to claim both sides

Arguing who was tougher to China is pointless as there is no metric for it

 

[MetaIIica]

Notice how this is about Israel and you claim that Biden is China bitch somehow to claim both sides

Arguing who was tougher to China is pointless as there is no metric for it

You stated trump was not tough on China and I stated multiple facts of how he was tough on China , and I included his counter part Joe Biden as a rule of measure.

So now I don’t really understand where you’re getting at, If you want to talk about Israel then don’t mention China.

 

[Son of Jamin]

Because israel is looking more and more like unstable lunatics governed by religious fanatics - which they are - than a stable country that is an asset to have as an ally. They're so warmongering they are a liability to the USA and Saudi want less and less to be part of that with each new insane development

If that is true, why did Hamas so badly fear the normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia has begun n to normalize their relationship with Iran as well, despite Iran supporting the Houthis and previously Assad, while Saudi Arabia supported the rebels in Syria and the government in Yemen.

 

[Ezekiel 25:17]

It's easy to say someone is the worst president of all time, when they were elected into one of the worst situations in american history. Ironically, all of this started under Joe Biden, which a lot of people here seem to ignore, and just blame the orange man bad!!!!

Bunch a' goofballs

I mean sure, but dems and reps seem to use this at every cycle. When trump was coming in, the shit talk was strong against how obama fcked up the nation, but some were quick to point out how Obama inherited a shithole from Bush.

Trump is a new sort of uber emotional beast who takes everything very personally. Which is never a good trait from leader of the free world.

 

[MetaIIica]

I mean sure, but dems and reps seem to use this at every cycle. When trump was coming in, the shit talk was strong against how obama fcked up the nation, but some were quick to point out how Obama inherited a shithole from Bush.

Trump is a new sort of uber emotional beast who takes everything very personally. Which is never a good trait from leader of the free world.

And my point is that, he is trying to point the blame for Trump, when he simply inherited the mess from previous administrations, regardless if he "takes things personally" or not. The world was in a pretty good place up until Covid, leading into multiple wars around the world.

If you look at each presidency on it's own, you can easily see it's a long buildup of bad foreign and domestic policy decisions that lead us to where we are now, from multiple past presidents.

All I know is, Trump is not the one who left the Southern Border open allowing thousands of Terrorists from the Middle East to come in, so when Sleeper Cells hit New York City you'll know who to thank and it's not Trump.

 

[Koya]

If that is true, why did Hamas so badly fear the normalization between Israel and Saudi Arabia?

Saudi Arabia has begun n to normalize their relationship with Iran as well, despite Iran supporting the Houthis and previously Assad, while Saudi Arabia supported the rebels in Syria and the government in Yemen.

What you're missing is the timeline.

You're right it your first paragraph. Saudi Arabia was that close to normalize with israel and they wanted it. In 2023.

Now Israel doesn't look like a potential stable ally anymore, but like a political liability. In 2025.

 

[MetaIIica]

What you're missing is the timeline.

You're right it your first paragraph. Saudi Arabia was that close to normalize with israel and they wanted it. In 2023.

Now Israel doesn't look like a potential stable ally anymore, but like a political liability. In 2025.

Netenyahu was on the verge of being voted out, he had a very low approval rating, before the war kept him in power. He's a total scumbag and should have been removed a long time ago.

 

[Koya]

Netenyahu was on the verge of being voted out, he had a very low approval rating, before the war kept him in power. He's a total scumbag and should have been removed a long time ago.

Funny that the greatest intelligence service in the world who can shut down hizbollah in one day and is embedded in every country ever including the Islamic Republic of Iran wasn't able to prevent the attack of insurgents with sandals right at that time. Coincidence.

 

[Koya]

Lmao they even control the NBA. Even on sherdog we can't say the Z-i-o word.

 

[IanEdwards]

All I know is, Trump is not the one who left the Southern Border open allowing thousands of Terrorists from the Middle East to come in, so when Sleeper Cells hit New York City you'll know who to thank and it's not Trump.

Yeah bro, Biden allowed terrorists in their thousands across the border, it's just that, these 'sleeper cells', they have been suffering from extreme somnolence for so long, they went into outright hibernation, so despite the fact that with US connivance Israel has been warring the shit out of muslims for nearly 2 fucking years now, none of these sleeper cells have done a fucking thing.

But yeah, bro, thousands of fucking terrorists. Just, the meekest, or most patient, or perhaps the most subtle terrorists of all time, and they have been sitting on their hands whilst muslims by the tens of thousands have been slaughtered in Gaza and they're like, 'no, Abdul, now is not the time, I don't think Israhil have gone far enough yet'

alternatively you may be a fucking imbecile, not sure which, 50/50, too close to call.

 

[IanEdwards]

fucking Sleeper Cells, do you use that like in rotation with 'False Flag operation' which you trot out every time a self-confessed conservative blows up a black church?

fucking Sleeper Cell False Flag Sleeper Cell False Flag its like if you asked an autistic 7 year old to describe the plot of a Tom Clancy novel

 

[Michaelangelo]

lol at the one guy who voted Israel is a pawn

 

[MetaIIica]

fucking Sleeper Cells, do you use that like in rotation with 'False Flag operation' which you trot out every time a self-confessed conservative blows up a black church?

fucking Sleeper Cell False Flag Sleeper Cell False Flag its like if you asked an autistic 7 year old to describe the plot of a Tom Clancy novel

Over 1,500 Iranian nationals have been apprehended crossing the southern border illegally during the Biden administration. Nearly 50% of them were released into the U.S.

You little Jihadi lover. And that's only Iran, not the other countries on the terror watch list.

 

[IanEdwards]

Over 1,500 Iranian nationals have been apprehended crossing the southern border illegally during the Biden administration. Nearly 50% of them were released into the U.S.

You little Jihadi lover. And that's only Iran, not the other countries on the terror watch list.

1500, that says? what about the thousands you were fantasizing over bro?

yeah bro, all those Sleeper Cells, they're lying dormant waiting to strike, you fucking imbecile

got any idea why they haven't struck yet, my little bargain basement Jim Ryan? its been a long old time since Oct 7