Opinion Are U.S. Presidents Pawns of Israel or Is Israel a Pawn of U.S. Strategy?

[MrShady]

 

[MetaIIica]

Just to be clear, when do you think Biden was president?

During the time period I just mentioned? What kind of retarded question is that? I really don't see a point in talking to you, all you do is ignore everything I say and focus on one thing to direct away from the original point, and ask a single retarded question, like I literally crushed your ass so hard you couldn't say anything except to direct away from the conversation with silly questions.

 

[Rod1]

During the time period I just mentioned? What kind of retarded question is that? I really don't see a point in talking to you, all you do is ignore everything I say and focus on one thing to direct away from the original point, and ask a single retarded question, like I literally crushed your ass so hard you couldn't say anything except to direct away from the conversation with silly questions.

COVID lockdowns were in 2020, Biden was president until Jan 20 2021.

 

[Koya]

Ilan Pape is an israeli historian that taught in Haïfa university and has been forced to go in exile because of the threats he received for his book "the ethnic cleansing of Palestine". Here he explains the history and roots of the israeli lobby worldwide and in the USA, and how it morphed in this huge machine that swallows politicians one after the other.

 

[LostMyBlackBelt]

This is all because people laughed at Donnie's failed dictator military parade.

 

[Anewt]

The historical "nation" in Judaism refers to peoplehood, a shared religious and cultural identity which existed in Judea and Samaria in the ancient kingdom in which Jews were commanded to live.

A small bordered kingdom in a religious context is a far more humble divine decree than the global domination and overt imperialism Christendom and Islam which historically sought to proselytize and conquer as far as their empires could reach.

Implying that Jews get some sort of "special" or "big" benefit by having self determination and is therefore condemnable is a pretty clear double standard.

Oh any christian or muslim would be insulted by me far more for such claims lol. Dont know why you'd think they wouldnt.


My point was i dont think many people are going to take .

We are gods chosen people with a divine right to this land.. but we dont think theres any implication of a special. Benifit there .

Most people are going to read that and disagree like myself.

I mean your arguement here is literally we were commanded to live in this land .. forever. Thousands of yeara can pass.. its yours regardless... its commanded and divine..

Come on now. How can you think thats not a special benifit granted by your god lol.

I said this..

Dunno man.. being the chosen people guaranteed by god to have a nation of your own seems a pretty big special benifit and favour right there man.

I know you think thats you saying your no different... but thats not how most people would take that .


Double standard? oh i do have one actually.. it doesnt go the way you think though. Im far far less religuously critical of jews than christians and muslims.

what other lands did your god allocate to other peoples? Or did he only do it for the chosen people?

But.. thats not special to you?

dude to most people.

A God telling you . You are his chosen people. And i give you this land for eternity... would think thats pretty special lol. I do lol

 

[Anewt]

This was the covenant G-d made with Abraham as symbolized by Brit Milah.

You dont think its anything special?

 

[Samjj]

I mean your arguement here is literally we were commanded to live in this land .. forever. Thousands of yeara can pass.. its yours regardless... its commanded and divine..

No that is not my argument.

You were criticizing the theological origins of Judaism in having ties to the modern land of Israel on a trope of "chosen-ness" which has been a historically misconstrued point of antisemites against Jews. I was responding to this theological criticism as being "unique" in comparison to other religious claims to land - which is rather not unique at all, but is actually far more limited in scope in comparison to the other Abrahamic religions.

The formation of the modern state of Israel has very little to do with following divine decrees and was by and large secular. Judaism has always been an ethno-religion, which is a difficult division and concept for many raised in the Christian (or Muslim) faith to grasp. Israel doesn't and shouldn't require divine decree to justify its existence, like any other modern nation state.

A God telling you . You are his chosen people. And i give you this land for eternity... would think thats pretty special lol. I do lol

Again the quipping of the chosen people and the historic misconstruing of the meaning.

The original chosen-ness was to be gifted g-d's teachings. Jews regard the receiving of the commandments as a gift and a blessing, yes. It is taught that the receiving of the Torah happened in Sinai, not in Mexico to ancient Aztecs. Aztecs similarly were chosen by their gods to receive their teachings...

 

[fishNjits]

You dont think its anything special?

Not really. What is different from Manifest Destiny?

Let's be honest here. When somebody says, "Jews think they're special because they think they're chosen" what that person is really saying is that Jews think they can be arrogant, elitist, and prejudiced.

My point was that this isn't the case. I'm not better than you or more important than you because I'm Jewish.

 

[MetaIIica]

COVID lockdowns were in 2020, Biden was president until Jan 20 2021.

Are you serious? Lmfaoooooo who is this guy

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

If it's confirmed it's absolutely insane.

it's all public information, required to be disclosed by law. americans are just retarded and don't care

 

[Anewt]

No that is not my argument.

You were criticizing the theological origins of Judaism in having ties to the modern land of Israel on a trope of "chosen-ness" which has been a historically misconstrued point of antisemites against Jews. I was responding to this theological criticism as being "unique" in comparison to other religious claims to land - which is rather not unique at all, but is actually far more limited in scope in comparison to the other Abrahamic religions.

No. Asking a question and politely disagreeing with how people would take the response is not me critizing the theological origins of judaism..... .... come on now

Yes, I believe Jews are G-d's Chosen People. We were chosen to bring knowledge of a singular G-d to the nations and for that we would be as a nation as well. That's it. No other special benefits, rights or favors.

Dunno man.. being the chosen people guaranteed by god to have a nation of your own seems a pretty big special benifit and favour right there man.

I know you think thats you saying your no different... but thats not how most people would take that.


This isnt a critism of judaism.. this is a viewpoint that people wont be reading that and taking it like he intended....
If his original post didnt mention jews you would have zero issues with my response.

The formation of the modern state of Israel has very little to do with following divine decrees and was by and large secular. Judaism has always been an ethno-religion, which is a difficult division and concept for many raised in the Christian (or Muslim) faith to grasp. Israel doesn't and shouldn't require divine decree to justify its existence, like any other modern nation state.

Indeed. Which is why it would probably be a good idea to stop using such arguements... and statements like he did with the " and for that we would be a nation.. "

When some use divine decree to justify your state it seems odd to me to get worked up at me for acknowledging it and queering it

You should probably stop using ones like this too.



Judea and Samaria in the ancient kingdom in which Jews were commanded to live.

The original chosen-ness was to be gifted g-d's teachings. Jews regard the receiving of the commandments as a gift and a blessing, yes. It is taught that the receiving of the Torah happened in Sinai, not in Mexico to ancient Aztecs. Aztecs similarly were chosen by their gods to receive their teachings...

well yes fair enough... which is. Why i was responding to him when he said.. " We were chosen to bring knowledge of a singular G-d to the nations and for that we would be as a nation as well.

You do realize im talking to him as a indivual right? Im not talking to your entire theological origins right? Its why my posts contain his words.

i responded with i dont think most people would see that as not having special benifits ordained by your god.

Re read my posts.. i never once make a generalized stadement about jews nor judaism.... as its not my point. I address his actual words and take... along with yours as individuals and asked because i was geniunely curious.

I thought it was worth mentioning that most people will think being ordained or having commanded by god is something special. So i dont think it will be taken as he intended.


Well yeah. If it was a aztec i was responding to who said

" Our gods commanded us to spread the word. And for that they promised us a nation"
That's it. No other special benefits, rights or favors."

I highly doubt youd think i was critising the theological origins of aztecs for saying i dunno man

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

also to answer the question, israel is mostly a pawn of western imperialism in the middle east, the US included in that. israel gets what it wants from the US because they are our eyes and ears, as well as a strategic pawn of violence in the most oil-rich area of the world.

 

[Anewt]

Not really. What is different from Manifest Destiny?

Let's be honest here. When somebody says, "Jews think they're special because they think they're chosen" what that person is really saying is that Jews think they can be arrogant, elitist, and prejudiced.

My point was that this isn't the case. I'm not better than you or more important than you because I'm Jewish.

Mannifest destiny is hilariously stupid and enabled a lot of the fucked up things to happen in the americas and justified a aweful lot of horrendous shite.......

I Really really hope its different

 

[LeonardoBjj]

Trump administration authorizes $30 million for Israeli-backed group distributing food in Gaza​

BY MATTHEW LEE AND ELLEN KNICKMEYER
Updated 5:39 PM BRT, June 24, 2025

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration has authorized providing $30 million to a U.S.- and Israeli-backed group that is distributing food in Gaza, a U.S. official said Tuesday, an operation that has drawn criticism from other humanitarian organizations.

The request is the first known U.S. government funding for the Gaza Humanitarian Foundation’s aid distribution efforts amid the Israel-Hamas war. The American-led group had applied for the money to the U.S. Agency for International Development, which has been dismantled and will soon be absorbed into the State Department as part of the Trump administration’s deep cuts of foreign aid.

The application is part of a controversial development: private contracting firms led by former U.S. intelligence officers and military veterans delivering aid to some of the world’s deadliest conflict zones in operations organized with governments that are combatants in the conflicts.

The official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive diplomatic issue involving a controversial aid program, said the decision to directly fund GHF was made “to provide effective and accessible humanitarian aid to the people of Gaza.”

The announcement comes as violence and chaos have plagued areas near the new food distribution sites since opening last month. GHF says no one has been killed at the aid sites themselves and that it has delivered some 44 million meals to Palestinians in need.

Palestinian witnesses and health officials say Israeli forces have repeatedly opened fire on crowds heading to the sites for desperately needed food, killing hundreds in recent weeks. The Israeli military says it has fired warning shots at people it said approached its forces in a suspicious manner while going to the sites.

Witnesses said Israeli troops opened fire as crowds tried to reach a GHF site on Tuesday in southern Gaza. At least 19 were killed and 50 others wounded, according to Nasser hospital and Gaza’s Health Ministry. The Israeli military did not immediately comment.

Israel wants the GHF to replace a system coordinated by the United Nations and international aid groups. Along with the United States, it accuses Hamas of stealing aid, without offering evidence. The United Nations, its affiliated aid agencies and private humanitarian groups that work in Gaza have denied that there has been any significant theft of their supplies by Hamas.


The Associated Press reported Saturday that the American-led group had asked the Trump administration for the initial funding so it can continue its aid operation, which has been criticized by the U.N., humanitarian groups and others. They accuse the foundation of cooperating with Israel’s objectives in the 21-month-old war against Hamas in a way that violates humanitarian principles.

State Department spokeswoman Tammy Bruce told reporters earlier Tuesday that she had no information to provide on funding for the foundation.

https://apnews.com/article/gaza-humanitarian-aid-trump-d7c1a762c4eefc1ed8b950e29c26da0c

- Isreal gets to kill inocent civilians and keep the money.

 

[Samjj]

No. Asking a question and politely disagreeing with how people would take the response is not me critizing the theological origins of judaism..... .... come on now




Dunno man.. being the chosen people guaranteed by god to have a nation of your own seems a pretty big special benifit and favour right there man.

I know you think thats you saying your no different... but thats not how most people would take that.


This isnt a critism of judaism.. this is a viewpoint that people wont be reading that and taking it like he intended....
If his original post didnt mention jews you would have zero issues with my response.


Indeed. Which is why it would probably be a good idea to stop using such arguements... and statements like he did with the " and for that we would be a nation.. "

When some use divine decree to justify your state it seems odd to me to get worked up at me for acknowledging it and queering it

You should probably stop using ones like this too.



Judea and Samaria in the ancient kingdom in which Jews were commanded to live.






I thought it was worth mentioning that most people will think being ordained or having commanded by god is something special. So i dont think it will be taken as he intended.


Well yeah. If it was a aztec i was responding to who said

" Our gods commanded us to spread the word. And for that they promised us a nation"
That's it. No other special benefits, rights or favors."

I highly doubt youd think i was critising the theological origins of aztecs for saying i dunno man

I think you confuse me referencing religious teachings/belief with “making an argument”. Merely clarifying language to you which you and many others have taken issue with, without understanding the correct context.

 

[MrShady]

I'm always surprised Massie isn't more popular meanwhile a MTG or Nancy Mace is everywhere like wtf

 

[Gotosleepho]

At the end of the day the USA is the one calling the shots. USA is the number one superpower in the world as it should be.

 

[IanEdwards]

Ilan Pape is an israeli historian that taught in Haïfa university and has been forced to go in exile because of the threats he received for his book "the ethnic cleansing of Palestine". Here he explains the history and roots of the israeli lobby worldwide and in the USA, and how it morphed in this huge machine that swallows politicians one after the other.

just another anti-semite......

 

[Why did you]

Well there it is ,someones been pumping dollars into Israel since 70s
Why ?