Opinion Are U.S. Presidents Pawns of Israel or Is Israel a Pawn of U.S. Strategy?

[Rod1]

Trump's spokesperson calls Israel the greatest country on Earth.

Its antisemitic to point this out.

 

[Koya]

Trump's spokesperson calls Israel the greatest country on Earth.

Lmao. Israel has american politicians so much by the balls they don't even consider the USA the greatest country on earth. Israel is better in their eyes. Well they received more money from the latter so makes sense, don't bite the hand that feeds you. That makes them traitors tho.

 

[fishNjits]

The initial accusation was that Israel was re-selling U.S. technology. I'm not seeing that in these articles - except that China title.

No. I'm American and American first always. If it's not in America's interest, we shouldn't be doing it.

What you need to know about me.

I'm American. My religion is Judaism (conservative variety). I'm a Boomer. I remember Munich. I remember Entebbe. I remember Yom Kippur 1973. I remember the hostages in Iran. I remember the Marine barracks blown up.

I wish to hell there was a Palestinian state. I blame the Jordanians that there isn't. By 1967, it was probably too late and the Yom Kippur War proved how dangerous granting independence to the Palestinians would have been. Israel had that buffer and still would have lost if not for the U.S.

I despise the Iranian regime. It is a malignant tumor on the world.

Edit to add: I hope the Solomon accords can lead to a Palestinian state. Making the West Bank part of Jordan would be the preferred solution but it didn't work out so well for Jordan the first time. That said, there's no way in hell that Israel gives up control of all Jerusalem or the Golan Heights. The Palestinians and Syrians will have to live with that.

 

[Rod1]

The initial accusation was that Israel was re-selling U.S. technology. I'm not seeing that in these articles - except that China title.

The accusation was that being Israel sugar daddy doesn't gives the US anything special, Israel technology is up for sale to anyone, the US doesn't gets exclusive anything.

No. I'm American and American first always. If it's not in America's interest, we shouldn't be doing it.

Sure man.

What you need to know about me.

I'm American. My religion is Judaism (conservative variety).

So you believe Jews are god's chosen people?

I'm a Boomer. I remember Munich. I remember Entebbe. I remember Yom Kippur 1973. I remember the hostages in Iran. I remember the Marine barracks blown up.

And yet you don't remember USS Liberty

 

[Rod1]

Because in October 1973, Israel came THIS close to using nuclear weapons.

Damn, seems to me that its on the best interests of the US to denuclearize Israel.

 

[fishNjits]

The accusation was that being Israel sugar daddy doesn't gives the US anything special, Israel technology is up for sale to anyone, the US doesn't gets exclusive anything.


Sure man.




So you believe Jews are god's chosen people?



And yet you don't remember USS Liberty

The U.S. relationship with Israel is not symmetrical (neither is any other relationship we have), but it is most certainly beneficial to the U.S.

Friends with Benefits: Why the U.S.-Israeli Alliance Is Good for America

The bilateral relationship is based on tangible, steadily increasing security and economic interests, not just shared values.

www.washingtoninstitute.org

The other day I proposed a corollary to Godwin's Law - any reference to the USS Liberty by a person not born before 1967 should automatically end a thread. No, I don't remember the USS Liberty but I am most certainly aware of it. Can't be on the War Room for over 8 years and not be aware.

Marine Barracks > USS Liberty (even if you believe the USS Liberty was attacked as a false flag operation).

Yes, I believe Jews are G-d's Chosen People. We were chosen to bring knowledge of a singular G-d to the nations and for that we would be as a nation as well. That's it. No other special benefits, rights or favors. In point of fact, you don't even need to be Jewish for a place in the world to come; just abide by the Seven Laws of Noah.

 

[fishNjits]

Damn, seems to me that its on the best interests of the US to denuclearize Israel.

Nukes wouldn't be necessary if the U.S. could be relied upon. But it can't, case in point being Ukraine.

 

[Rod1]

The U.S. relationship with Israel is not symmetrical (neither is any other relationship we have), but it is most certainly beneficial to the U.S.

No, its not, the troubles it generates with more important and strategic allies like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, that actually control vast amounts of resources and host military bases.

The other day I proposed a corollary to Godwin's Law - any reference to the USS Liberty by a person not born before 1967 should automatically end a thread. No, I don't remember the USS Liberty but I am most certainly aware of it. Can't be on the War Room for over 8 years and not be aware.

The irony of a guy saying this and also referencing the holocaust and other events in the past.

Marine Barracks > USS Liberty (even if you believe the USS Liberty was attacked as a false flag operation).

The only reason the US had marines in Lebanon was to protect Israeli interests in the first place.

Also weird that you are comparing attacks against the US, you do realize that the bombing was done by an enemy right?

I guess in your worldview it would be ok for Israel to commit a terror attack on US soil and if someone complains you can argue "well 9/11 killed more people".

Yes, I believe Jews are G-d's Chosen People. We were chosen to bring knowledge of a singular G-d to the nations and for that we would be as a nation as well. That's it. No other special benefits, rights or favors. In point of fact, you don't even need to be Jewish for a place in the world to come; just abide by the Seven Laws of Noah.

What is more important the Seven Laws of Noah or the US Constitution and laws?

 

[Rod1]

Nukes wouldn't be necessary if the U.S. could be relied upon

We agree here.

And thus why Iran will get nukes now unless there is a regime change, in which of course will not be done by Israeli blood but American blood

 

[Belaya Smert]

Israel’s Bitch is my vote. Can’t see any other way we continually make decisions that benefit Israel and offer no strategic, military, or other benefit to this country.

 

[Rational Poster]

How
Much military equipment can they possibly need? We should be selling it to them

The military aid we give is basically a voucher that must be used buying weapons from American defense contractors. It's an indirect subsidy.

They spend billions more of their own wealth buying even more from American contractors.

We give them a discount on a car, but they need to come to us to buy gas and spare parts, forever.

 

[Why did you]

Trump's spokesperson calls Israel the greatest country on Earth.

 

[fishNjits]

No, its not, the troubles it generates with more important and strategic allies like Saudi Arabia and Turkey, that actually control vast amounts of resources and host military bases.




The irony of a guy saying this and also referencing the holocaust and other events in the past.



The only reason the US had marines in Lebanon was to protect Israeli interests in the first place.

Also weird that you are comparing attacks against the US, you do realize that the bombing was done by an enemy right?

I guess in your worldview it would be ok for Israel to commit a terror attack on US soil and if someone complains you can argue "well 9/11 killed more people".



What is more important the Seven Laws of Noah or the US Constitution and laws?

1) Saudi Arablia doesn't give a shit and Turkey and Israel were allies until Erdogan took office. We should get rid of a friend because Turkey went full Islamist?

2) Hard not to reference the holocaust if the thread one refers to references the holocaust. I assume we're talking about the Exodus post and the poster's belief that America and England founded Israel because they didn't want refugees after WWII.

3) The U.S., England, Italy and France were there as peace keepers and to get the PLO out. Were they all controlled by Israel? You're suggesting that Ronald Reagan was controlled by Israel? The same guy who sold AWACs to Saudi Arabia? Who's Chief of Staff famously said, "Fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway?"

Would it have benefited Israel? Sure. But the government of Lebanon needed it way more than Israel.

4) No, nobody gets to commit a terror attack on U.S. soil. But yeah, 9/11 > Tree of Life.

5) I don't even understand the basis of this question. The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. But nothing in the U.S. Constitution prevents one from following the Noahide Laws. If it did, there would be no Jews here, for one.

Everything you need to know you should have learned on the playground. You take care of your friends.

 

[Rational Poster]

1) Saudi Arablia doesn't give a shit and Turkey and Israel were allies until Erdogan took office. We should get rid of a friend because Turkey went full Islamist?

2) Hard not to reference the holocaust if the thread one refers to references the holocaust. I assume we're talking about the Exodus post and the poster's belief that America and England founded Israel because they didn't want refugees after WWII.

3) The U.S., England, Italy and France were there as peace keepers and to get the PLO out. Were they all controlled by Israel? You're suggesting that Ronald Reagan was controlled by Israel? The same guy who sold AWACs to Saudi Arabia? Who's Chief of Staff famously said, "Fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway?"

Would it have benefited Israel? Sure. But the government of Lebanon needed it way more than Israel.

4) No, nobody gets to commit a terror attack on U.S. soil. But yeah, 9/11 > Tree of Life.

5) I don't even understand the basis of this question. The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. But nothing in the U.S. Constitution prevents one from following the Noahide Laws. If it did, there would be no Jews here, for one.

Everything you need to know you should have learned on the playground. You take care of your friends.

It's my understanding the presence of foreign troops in Lebanon was at the request of the (weak) Lebanese government who wanted assistance dealing with the more terroristy parts of their society after the 1973 conflict, it just didn't work.

 

[Koya]

VIDEO: Former Israeli negotiator describes Israeli influence on US politics : Former Israeli negotiator Daniel Levy says Benjamin Netanyahu is leading Donald Trump 'by the nose'.​

Former Israeli negotiator describes Israeli influence on US politics

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[fishNjits]

VIDEO: Former Israeli negotiator describes Israeli influence on US politics : Former Israeli negotiator Daniel Levy says Benjamin Netanyahu is leading Donald Trump 'by the nose'.​

Former Israeli negotiator describes Israeli influence on US politics

Follow the latest news headlines from Australia's most trusted source. Read in-depth expert analysis and watch live coverage on ABC News.

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From today's Wall Street Journal:

Ms. Gabbard told the House Intelligence Committee that the intelligence community “continues to assess that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon and Supreme Leader [Ali] Khamenei has not authorized the nuclear weapons program he suspended in 2003.”

When CNN’s Kaitlan Collins reminded Mr. Trump of that testimony last week aboard Air Force One, he said: “I don’t care what she said, I think they were very close to having one.”

But let’s return to the hearing room and listen to what Ms. Gabbard said after that much-played sound bite: “In the past year, we have seen an erosion of a decades-long taboo in Iran of discussing nuclear weapons in public, likely emboldening nuclear-weapons advocates within Iran’s decision making apparatus.”

And then: “Iran’s enriched-uranium stockpile is at its highest level and is unprecedented for a state without nuclear weapons.”

Could the Israelis and Trump waited for a month? Yeah. Would it have mattered? Probably not.

 

[Mr Holmes]

Of course we're Israel's bitch. Those in charge that weren't bought are being blackmailed instead.

 

[MetaIIica]

I always knew regardless of who I voted for, the wars would continue, but it just seems the Kamala/Biden/Obama side is more for China, while Trump is more for Israel. I personally want a president that puts Christ, and AMERICA first, not israel, not china, not islam. Christianity and America.

Just look at what the Talmud says about my lord and savior Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ!

 

[Rod1]

1) Saudi Arablia doesn't give a shit

Neither does Israel

and Turkey and Israel were allies until Erdogan took office. We should get rid of a friend because Turkey went full Islamist

Stopping complete and total subservience to the State of Israel by the US isn't "getting rid of"

2) Hard not to reference the holocaust if the thread one refers to references the holocaust. I assume we're talking about the Exodus post and the poster's belief that America and England founded Israel because they didn't want refugees after WWII.

Hard to take you seriously when you invoke Godwin's law at the same time you are calling others nazis.

3) The U.S., England, Italy and France were there as peace keepers and to get the PLO out.

This just keeps derailing.

You wave of a direct attack by Israel against the US on the claims that "terrorists" do worse which is completely stupid.

Were they all controlled by Israel? You're suggesting that Ronald Reagan was controlled by Israel? The same guy who sold AWACs to Saudi Arabia? Who's Chief of Staff famously said, "Fuck the Jews, they don't vote for us anyway?"

Saudi Arabia is a very important nation because of oil, let's not pretend otherwise, same with Turkey as they were part of NATO since 1952 and host several US military bases + Bosphorus strait.

Would it have benefited Israel? Sure. But the government of Lebanon needed it way more than Israel.

Lebanon only got fucked up because Israel saw fit to dump a crapload of Palestinians on it fucking up its demographics.

4) No, nobody gets to commit a terror attack on U.S. soil. But yeah, 9/11 > Tree of Life.

And yet again you wave off USS Liberty incident on "terrorists have done worse".

5) I don't even understand the basis of this question. The U.S. Constitution is the Supreme Law of the land. But nothing in the U.S. Constitution prevents one from following the Noahide Laws. If it did, there would be no Jews here, for one.

Only the first Amendment since the first law of Noah is to prevent idolatry.

Everything you need to know you should have learned on the playground. You take care of your friends.

Its ok as long as Bibi and Trump are in power the US will be Israel's bitch as god intended and Israel can start and drag the US into as many wars as it sees fit.

 

[Rod1]

Kamala/Biden/Obama side is more for China,

Come on man, nobody has been consistently tough on China than Pelosi.

Meanwhile Trump just said "fuck Taiwan, what do they even do for us", only beef Trump has on China is because of his believe on trade.