Are liberals really empathetic or do they just want to destroy middle class?

[Deleted member 159002]

That's hardly since the date of our speciation.

Is the argument here that recognition of property is impossible without a compulsory funded monopoly? Or its arbitration, perhaps, in the event of dispute?

I clearly said governments have been standard fare for civilization, not "our speciation". People give consent to powerful people to write and enforce laws for them and their neighbors. The people in power determine the rules for how property within their society is to be acquired and transferred. You may not be happy with the rules they come up with, but that's irrelevant. Property rights aren't created by Robert Nozick or Murray Rothbard. They're created by governments.

 

[BudKing8806]

Listen, you're taxes would go up... but what do you currently pay for healthcare?

The cost of my PPO plan for a family of four is $32,000 next year!!!! (And I still have co-pays and all that shit!)

I'm pretty sure my taxes wouldn't have to go up $32,000 to pay for my share of Medicaid for all... especially if we didn't do things like repeal the estate tax...

My costs for me, wife and son is less than 5k yearly currently.

 

[7437]

Pretty sure liberals dont care about destroying the middle class. Our goal is the extinction of humanity and all life in the universe.

Heat death is the goal

 

[aitkenmike]

why do poor and rich liberals want the middle class to pay for unaffordable healthcare so that poor families get it for free? So basically middle class goes with out unless they work for a government or university job.

Obama care was basically a tax on the middle class and priced them out of having insurance that covers anything while also having to pay 2k/month with 3k deductible.

I for one do not care about other people’s children. It’s their parents responsibility to look after their own and pay their own fucking way

POOR CHILDREN WITH CANCER BTFO!!! MAGA BITCHES!

 

[Rygu]

Pretty sure liberals dont care about destroying the middle class. Our goal is the extinction of humanity and all life in the universe.

Heat death is the goal

#TeamHeatDeath here

 

[7437]

#TeamHeatDeath here

God btfo

 

[Mr. Shickadance]

Because it is. Schemes of redistribution are inherently unethical, both from an avenue of consequentialism and deontologically.

Sure thing bud. Some of us live in the real world. And realize social programs are what made this country the strongest country in the world and it wasn't until the red scare that it all changed.

Once again I'm not not advocating communism, just it seems some social programs really advance society

 

[Witchhunt]

Yeah, that's why liberal Europe has no middle class and their healthcare system is in crisis mode resulting in 60000 opioid death per year.
Everyone knows that the best way to help the middle class is giving tax cuts to the rich.

Nice pitch for the efficiency of Obama care.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

Our goal is the extinction of humanity and all life in the universe.

With the amount of buzz kill you dweebs produce I wouldn't be surprised if this actually happened from everyone giving up on procreation.

Keep producing incel, self hating soy boys and overweight vagina hat wearing #metoonenists and it will come true.

Liberalism is like the chastity belt of ideologies. Even if you identify as a leftist and truly beleive it's the better way atleast admit how much of a boner kill it is.

It's like sex repellent.

 

[Throttlehead]

With the amount of buzz kill you dweebs produce I wouldn't be surprised if this actually happened from everyone giving up on procreation.

Keep producing incel, self hating soy boys and overweight vagina hat wearing #metoonenists and it will come true.

Liberalism is like the chastity belt of ideologies. Even if you identify as a leftist and truly beleive it's the better way atleast admit how much of a boner kill it is.

It's like sex repellent.

You sound like a closeted homo.

 

[EL CORINTHIAN]

You sound like a closeted homo.

And? What are you a bigot or something?

 

[franklinstower]

Sure thing bud. Some of us live in the real world. And realize social programs are what made this country the strongest country in the world and it wasn't until the red scare that it all changed.

Once again I'm not not advocating communism, just it seems some social programs really advance society

This is just true. One day we will have UHC and a livable minimum wage as a given. Mining and other polluting industries will probably government run and will pollute far far less.

The people who are against this are wrong and will be looked on poorly by future generations.

 

[AndroidRage]

You are arguing for a situation that is completely impossible though, and despite millions of people being murdered to achieve it you're still willing to pursue the same objective. The definition of insantiy, or in this case likely just a mental disease. There is no social organization that can achieve an equality of outcome.

The only demonstrable way that's been shown to raise people out of absolute poverty also has the consequence that people are raised above it unequally (unfortunately I agree). Interestingly enough, the distribution of that inequality follows a pattern pervasive through out natural phenomenon and isn't even exclusive to humans, i.e. the pareto distribution.

Would I love the possibility that we could all be rockstars, and billionaires, and cancer-curing physicians? Yes! That is not the reality mate. The difference here is a conflict of visions. I accept the way things are and am willing to work within limitations to achieve better. You don't recognize the hard limitations of reality, and are pursuing something that will never exist.

So you think that liberals, progressives, etc etc. Think that we will all be rich? Is that what you think? Thats the dumbest shit I've ever seen. I don't know anyone that has leftist views that thinks that. I have had conversations with republicans that thought that way though.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

So you think that liberals, progressives, etc etc. Think that we will all be rich? Is that what you think? Thats the dumbest shit I've ever seen. I don't know anyone that has leftist views that thinks that. I have had conversations with republicans that thought that way though.

It's fucking retarded. The idea of healthcare and education from a leftist perspective is to raise the upper lower to create a formidable middle.

This new generation of the right proposes no ideology to add more people to the middle class, which is surprising because they won't shut the fuck up about it.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

I think the propaganda of anti communism worked very well in America that anything close to it i.e. socialist programs are the devil.

And not a pro communist but there has to be a happy medium.

I don’t disagree with any of that. Our most successful social program is either social security or the GI BILL.

People here will accept some type of socialism if they think it benefits them. The health care thing should no longer be up for debate though.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

Thank goodness libertarians have almost no say in our government.

Imagine how awful this world would be if we followed their mantra that has never existed anywhere on earth. Lol.

Everything is all theoretical because nothing they believe has actually been put into play. Free markets have never existed and never will exist. It’s a pipe dream

 

[D3thr0n3d K1ng]

If it werent for libruhlz there would be no middle class. If neo-feudalist right-wingers had their way it would be like the 15th century all over again. Slavery would be reinstated and all the fun stuff from the past would be brought back.

 

[KONG-D'SNT-TAP]

If it werent for libruhlz there would be no middle class. If neo-feudalist right-wingers had their way it would be like the 15th century all over again. Slavery would be reinstated and all the fun stuff from the past would be brought back.

But democrats liked slavery 100+ years ago.

 

[original doom]

does it? seems pretty dysfunctional at present

dont worry though, once Brexit goes through we'll be stealing all the attention as the laughing stock of the world

who would be laughing ?

 

[HIMBOB]

Is it? I would argue that it is more dysfunctional for person A to expect person B to bail them out of their own struggles. Why should I have "empathy", when I work very hard and have made many sacrifices to achieve my current position. I have seen many people make excuses when things get tough, rather than dig in and create success, but then rely on government assistance as their lord and savior. Or make more excuses about their low salaries and lack of successful career. Why would I prefer to help provide for many who aren't willing to do what it takes to provide for themselves?

In an ideal world there would people who can empathize to the moon and pay 50% tax to help people if they want, separated from people like me who wouldn't give them a penny if I had a choice.

I know a good reason why.

Me.

My sister and brother.

My mum got cancer, got treated by Universal health care and supported us on welfare. Now between my sister and I we pay over $50k pa in tax.

Having social safety nets keeps in the middle class and ensures better tax receipts in the future.