All Time GOAT poll

in my opinion its khabib i would say nobody in lw even won a round against him
 
anthony smith is the goat imo the only reason he loses is because he feels bad for his opponents and lets hem win out of pity.
 
1. Jones
2. GSP
3. Silva
4. Fedor
5. Khabib
6. Johnson
7. Cormier
8. Aldo
9. McGregor
10. Cejudo/Adesanya
 
GIBLERTBAPTISTA said:
I remember him from another thread, he didnt know who Pele was. Definitely a new fan.
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Ok that sounds like a fun read/outing.
But the search engine failed me... I know it's a long shot, but you happen to remember in which thread that could have been?

That's also an interesting question, at what stage does someone's opinion become relevant? Without trying to sound like an elitist prick, I don't really care about some 2018/2019 fan's opinion on Fedor.

But we also have to be realistic, if we keep the discussion between fans who were there when PRIDE was around, there wouldn't be a lot of us and we'd have talked about everything there is to talk about...
 
FKAri said:
Huh?
The only advantage Anderson has over GSP is he dominated his opponents moreso than GSP and maybe anyone else has in the GOAT debates during his prime but the biggest knock on him is also that he had the weakest opposition while GSP had probably the best opposition of anyone.
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Yeah that...And most consecutive title defenses, most wins in a row etc lmao


Imagine 2 guys in their prime in a sport where there is divisions and then the whole league


One breaks all the records from the whole league

the other only breaks records in his division

but somehow the 2nd guy is the GOAT lmao


GSP was phenomenal but Anderson was even better.
 
DS7 said:
Yeah that...And most consecutive title defenses, most wins in a row etc lmao


Imagine 2 guys in their prime in a sport where there is divisions and then the whole league


One breaks all the records from the whole league

the other only breaks records in his division

but somehow the 2nd guy is the GOAT lmao


GSP was phenomenal but Anderson was even better.
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My argument was a response to a guy saying they faced similar competition which I completely disagree with. WW and LHW were the premier divisions at the time. If you take that into account then it explains away your points. If you ignore that(which is a valid approach imo since it's subjective) then yes Anderson was better vs his competition than GSP was vs his. Though this is all academic because Jon Jones did both(tough division + dominant/decisive wins).
 
FKAri said:
My argument was a response to a guy saying they faced similar competition which I completely disagree with. WW and LHW were the premier divisions at the time. If you take that into account then it explains away your points. If you ignore that(which is a valid approach imo since it's subjective) then yes Anderson was better vs his competition than GSP was vs his. Though this is all academic because Jon Jones did both(tough division + dominant/decisive wins).
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GSP probably edges Anderson in resume altough Anderson has some great wins outside the UFC but the level of dominance Anderson had over his opponents isn't even on the same planet as GSP over his competition.

Vitor Belfort is one of the best names on Anderson's resume and he front kicked his face off. Dan Henderson got completely dominated on the ground. This 2 wins alone are better than any performance GSP put in the octagon.

Anderson in his prime is probably the most spetecular fighter of all time, and at the time they both were in the peaks, Anderson hold the majority of the P4P records while GSP hold all the WW records. How can GSP be the GOAT when he wasn't the UFC king when he was around? That's my take but i think obviously GSP has his argument for the "GOAT debate". I always had the opinion that you can rank Jones, Fedor, Silva and GSP however you want and i won't necessarily disagree. Jones is the perfect mix of skill set plus accomplishments.
 
260Bomber said:
Pound for pound is a very simple concept that has been well understood by educated fans of boxing, wrestling, weightlifting etc. It's only low IQ MMA dudes like you who don't get it.

And btw no serious boxing analyst considers Ali the GOAT. He is the best HW for sure but that doesn't stack up to guys like Greb, Armstrong, Langford etc. who dominated multiple weight classes.

Fedor is not top 5, soon he won't be near top 10.
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This coming from a guy with Logan paul in his AV. You probably think his brother is a top boxer lol. White belt going to white belt.
 
GSP is not the GOAT sorry. Records do not make a GOAT.

Fedor is the correct answer.
 
DS7 said:
GSP probably edges Anderson in resume altough Anderson has some great wins outside the UFC but the level of dominance Anderson had over his opponents isn't even on the same planet as GSP over his competition.

Vitor Belfort is one of the best names on Anderson's resume and he front kicked his face off. Dan Henderson got completely dominated on the ground. This 2 wins alone are better than any performance GSP put in the octagon.

Anderson in his prime is probably the most spetecular fighter of all time, and at the time they both were in the peaks, Anderson hold the majority of the P4P records while GSP hold all the WW records. How can GSP be the GOAT when he wasn't the UFC king when he was around? That's my take but i think obviously GSP has his argument for the "GOAT debate". I always had the opinion that you can rank Jones, Fedor, Silva and GSP however you want and i won't necessarily disagree. Jones is the perfect mix of skill set plus accomplishments.
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Those are better than Hughes? GSP knocked Hughes out twice in one fight. Hughes was top 3 p4p and goat WW. Silva's wins over Hendo (coming off a loss and 2-2 in his last 4 fights) and NON TRT Vitor pales in comparison to that. GSP beat WW Shields who embarassed Hendo (Silva's best win). Thats what you need to know when comparing their strenght of opposition. Every single mma media in the world said WW had the stronger competition. Somehow Silva's retarded fanbois are trying to revisit history by twisting facts over the years and believing their own bullshit.
 
ThunderStruck said:
Those are better than Hughes? GSP knocked Hughes out twice in one fight. Hughes was top 3 p4p and goat WW. Silva's wins over Hendo (coming off a loss and 2-2 in his last 4 fights) and NON TRT Vitor pales in comparison to that. GSP beat WW Shields who embarassed Hendo (Silva's best win). Thats what you need to know when comparing their strenght of opposition. Every single mma media in the world said WW had the stronger competition. Somehow Silva's retarded fanbois are trying to revisit history by twisting facts over the years and believing their own bullshit.
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I have GSP as the overall Goat but your Silva Assessment is way off and you are undervaluing his wins.

Hendo was the uncrowned champ in most ppls minds going into that fight.

cherry picking a small snippet of his career does not paint an accurate picture of who he is.

he was 22-6 going into that fight being the Pride WW (185) GP champ and MW (205)champ and his recent loss was for the UFC LHW title.

He went on to beat, Franklin, Palhares and Bisping staight after that fight all top 10 mw fighters of the time.


The version of Belfort Silva beat was absolutely the TRTor version.

Yes I have GSP as number 1 but Silva’s reign was as legit as anyone to date.
 
stav said:
I have GSP as the overall Goat but your Silva Assessment is way off and you are undervaluing his wins.

Hendo was the uncrowned champ in most ppls minds going into that fight.

cherry picking a small snippet of his career does not paint an accurate picture of who he is.

he was 22-6 going into that fight being the Pride WW (185) GP champ and MW (205)champ and his recent loss was for the UFC LHW title.

He went on to beat, Franklin, Palhares and Bisping staight after that fight all top 10 mw fighters of the time.


The version of Belfort Silva beat was absolutely the TRTor version.

Yes I have GSP as number 1 but Silva’s reign was as legit as anyone to date.
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Fact : Hendo was 2-2 coming into the Silva fight, and he did lose to Misaki. Yes he beat Wand soon after the axe murder got murdered by CC. Wand was washed up by then. HE shouldnt have taken fights against HW Hunt and CC. It killed his prime. Hendo still lost to Misaki. FACT.

Fact : Vitor was OFF TRT for his fight against Silva. That's a FACT. So no, that was absolutely NOT the TRT version. Not only did he claim he wasnt on TRT for that fight (horse' mouth) but you can clearly see from his physique that he wasn't.
 
ThunderStruck said:
Fact : Hendo was 2-2 coming into the Silva fight, and he did lose to Misaki. Yes he beat Wand soon after the axe murder got murdered by CC. He still lost to Misaki.

Fact : Vitor was OFF TRT for his fight against Silva. That's a FACT. So no, he was absolutely NOT the TRT version. Not only did he claim he wasnt on TRT for what fight (horse' mouth) but you can clearly see from his physique that he wasn't.
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Cherry picking “facts” are not contextual facts.

2-2 in his last 4 is true i didn't dispute that but he was also 22-6.

i present facts in their entirety you cherry pick with the intention of presenting an unobjective point of view.

that’s called being bias and disingenuous.

Belfort stopped taking TRR in 2014

he and Silva fought in 2011.

so no your “facts” on that one are false.
https://www.espn.com.au/mma/story/_/id/11043617/vitor-belfort-admits-elevated-testosterone-level
 
stav said:
Cherry picking “facts” are not contextual facts.

2-2 in his last 4 is true i didn't dispute that but he was also 22-6.

i present facts in their entirety you cherry pick with the intention of presenting an unobjective point of view.

that’s called being bias and disingenuous.

Belfort stopped taking TRR in 2014

he and Silva fought in 2011.

so no your “facts” on that one are false.
https://www.espn.com.au/mma/story/_/id/11043617/vitor-belfort-admits-elevated-testosterone-level
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Look it up, Vitor clearly said he wasnt on TRT against Silva. Probly afraid he would get caught for his UFC comeback. Hendo was known as Decision Dan when he fought Silva. FACT.

https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/vitor-was-not-on-trt-when-he-fought-anderson-silva.3455689/
 
ThunderStruck said:
Look it up, Vitor clearly said he wasnt on TRT against Silva. Probly afraid he would get caught for his UFC comeback. Hendo was known as Decision Dan when he fought Silva. FACT.
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Are You are honestly Trying to sight a fighters “word” as proof that they were not on the gear?

man if that was the case 99% of drug cheats would be innocent... bc they said so.

come on bro, you can’t base your argument on Belfort “word”.

that’s crazy brother.
 
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