All Time GOAT poll

[kenetics]

LMAO no it isn't. Most don't have a hw as the goat there. They have Sugar as the goat, and some have floyd.

Ali is consider goat.


Pound for pound was only created for the little guy because even the worst HW would smash them.

Floyde is a 130 lb man ... Come on my guy lol.

 

[Tevfik1907]

Ali is consider goat.


Pound for pound was only created for the little guy because even the worst HW would smash them.

Floyde is a 130 lb man ... Come on my guy lol.

Do you know what P4P means? This is ridiculous.

Of course boxing experts said Sugar Ray or Floyd could be the boxing GOAT, some experts said Ali is the boxing GOAT, but they never said Ali is the boxing GOAT just because he is HW, lmao.



Also Floyd fought at 155 lb / light-middleweight before.

 

[kenetics]

Do you know what P4P means? This is ridiculous.

Of course boxing experts said Sugar Ray or Floyd could be the boxing GOAT, some experts said Ali is the boxing GOAT, but they never said Ali is the boxing GOAT just because he is HW, lmao.



Also Floyd fought at 155 lb / light-middleweight before.

Mike tyson pretty tells you why floyde can't be goat. Every fighter agrees with Mike assessment.

 

[Tevfik1907]

Mike tyson pretty tells you why floyde can't be goat. Every fighter agrees with Mike assessment.

Even though I believe Ali is the boxing GOAT, you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Tyson only said that because he felt Floyd disrespected Ali. He doesn't like Floyd. Tyson never would say something asinine as Ali is the GOAT just because he is HW.

He has great respect for Sugar Ray Leonard, who is light-middleweight.



''Every fighter agrees'' I hope you are not enjoying lying, I just showed you a video where many respectable fighters says Sugar Ray or Floyd is the GOAT.

 

[kenetics]

Even though I believe Ali is the boxing GOAT, you really have no idea what you are talking about.

Tyson only said that because he felt Floyd disrespected Ali. He doesn't like Floyd. Tyson never would say something asinine as Ali is the GOAT just because he is HW.

He has great respect for Sugar Ray Leonard, who is light-middleweight.



''Every fighter agrees'' I hope you are not enjoying lying, I just showed you a video where many respectable fighters says Sugar Ray or Floyd is the GOAT.

"Greatness is not guarding yourself from the people, greatness is being accepted by the people."

Floyde has and will never be that.


Sorry to break it to you.

 

[Tevfik1907]

"Greatness is not guarding yourself from the people, greatness is being accepted by the people."

Floyde has and will never be that.


Sorry to break it to you.

I guess you don't understand what I am saying. I don't think Floyd is the boxing GOAT. I think Ali is the boxing GOAT.

But to say that Ali is a better GOAT than Floyd just because he is a HW, makes absolutely no sense at all.

There are other arguments to make, just like that quote you are using. So, you can't break it for me, because I don't even think Floyd is the boxing GOAT. I just break it to you that other weight classes can easily be the GOAT, that doesn't mean I think Floyd is the boxing GOAT.

 

[kenetics]

I guess you don't understand what I am saying. I don't think Floyd is the boxing GOAT. I think Ali is the boxing GOAT.

But to say that Ali is a better GOAT than Floyd just because he is a HW, makes absolutely no sense at all.

There are other arguments to make, just like that quote you are using. So, you can't break it for me, because I don't even think Floyd is the boxing GOAT. I just break it to you that other weight classes can easily be the GOAT, that doesn't mean I think Floyd is the boxing GOAT.

Ok so we agree on that.

Ok now from an actual fight. Some of the worst HW will smash an beat the best fighters in the lighter division, hence why they have weight classes to protect fighters.

At the core , HW reigns supreme. It's a laughable that they made these pbp list to get discussions going for smaller fighters. It's fun barber shop talk.

 

[Tevfik1907]

Ok so we agree on that.

Ok now from an actual fight. Some of the worst HW will smash an beat the best fighters in the lighter division, hence why they have weight classes to protect fighters.

At the core , HW reigns supreme. It's a laughable that they made these pbp list to get discussions going for smaller fighters. It's fun barber shop talk.

It's about fair fighting, if you want to cheat, you can beat HW champion by using illegal weapons and cheating, that doesn't make you the most skilled fighter at 1 v 1.

So being 20 lb heavier than a guy is not fair, just like using a knife is not fair or using a gun is not fair in 1 v 1 fight, that's the point. Fair fight at the same weight classes, who is more skilled at H2H combat, who can bring more new techniques and who can show better skills at fighting, so if a smaller guy is more skilled, and he can teach his techniques to the others and to the heavier guys, that's also greatness.

 

[Mike]

Ali is consider goat.


Pound for pound was only created for the little guy because even the worst HW would smash them.

Floyde is a 130 lb man ... Come on my guy lol.

Go ask in the boxing forum. Not many consider Ali goat.

Goat =/= largest skilled fighter

 

[kenetics]

It's about fair fighting, if you want to cheat, you can beat HW champion by using illegal weapons and cheating, that doesn't make you the most skilled fighter at 1 v 1.

So being 20 lb heavier than a guy is not fair, just like using a knife is not fair or using a gun is not fair in 1 v 1 fight, that's the point. Fair fight at the same weight classes, who is more skilled at H2H combat, who can bring more new techniques and who can show better skills at fighting, so if a smaller guy is more skilled, and he can teach his techniques to the others and to the heavier guys, that's also greatness.

It's not about it being fair. Remember when tony ferguson was running his mouth at werdum? At that point if werdum wanted to hurt tony he could have.

Thats why BJ penn would fight different weight classes back then because he said he doesn't have a choice in hawaii to stop a real fight and say we aren't in same weight classes or skill level.

So at the end, the HW has the advantage even without skill. Now imagine the HW with actual skill and is a champion..

The lighter fighters can't beat them. It just the cold truth.

 

[Tevfik1907]

It's not about it being fair. Remember when tony ferguson was running his mouth at werdum? At that point if werdum wanted to hurt tony he could have.

Thats why BJ penn would fight different weight classes back then because he said he doesn't have a choice in hawaii to stop a real fight and say we aren't in same weight classes or skill level.

So at the end, the HW has the advantage even without skill. Now imagine the HW with actual skill and is a champion..

The lighter fighters can't beat them. It just the cold truth.

Give them a knife or a gun, they can easily beat a HW in 1 v 1. That's the cold truth.

As I said, what you are saying is ridiculous, and it's against the fair play competition, if winning in 1 v 1 all you care, you are following the wrong thing, go watch something where you can cheat, obviously you don't care anything about the rules, and since you don't care about the weight rule, you can also cheat in that fight with other methods, they can use a gun or a knife so they can easily beat a HW.

There is also a reason why steroids/PEDs are not allowed, because of fair competition. Cheating is cheating, fighting with extra weight is also cheating.

 

[kenetics]

Give them a knife or a gun, they can easily beat a HW in 1 v 1. That's the cold truth.

As I said, what you are saying is ridiculous, and it's against the fair play competition, if winning in 1 v 1 all you care, you are following the wrong thing, go watch something where you can cheat, obviously you don't care anything about the rules, and since you don't care about the weight rule, you can also cheat in that fight with other methods, they can use a gun or a knife so they can easily beat a HW.

There is also a reason why steroids/PEDs are not allowed, because of fair competition. Cheating is cheating, fighting with extra weight is also cheating.

So your talking about weapons ? I'm talking about one one altercations . Not everyone has a weapon when things pop off.


And again, we were talking about all ufc champs. None of the lighter champs can beat the guys at 205+

So no they can't be goats.

 

[Tevfik1907]

So your talking about weapons ? I'm talking about one one altercations . Not everyone has a weapon when things pop off.


And again, we were talking about all ufc champs. None of the lighter champs can beat the guys at 205+

So no they can't be goats.

You don't care about the rules, so why not weapons too?

If you are talking about the street fight without rules, then you can use guns or knives, or cheating with any kind of method, because there won't be any rules there so anything is possible.

There is a weight rule in this sport, that's no different than the other rules that you should follow. If you don't care about the weight rule, then why do you care about the other rules? Using weapons is illegal just like using extra weight is illegal.

Then you are coming with nonsense HW can beat WW, no they can't. They can't fight unless they meet at the same weight class, that's one of the rules of this sport, and obviously you are talking out of your butt without even knowing the rules.

 

[kenetics]

You don't care about the rules, so why not weapons too?

If you are talking about the street fight without rules, then you can use guns or knives, or cheating with any kind of method, because there won't be any rules there so anything is possible.

There is a weight rule in this sport, that's no different than the other rules that you should follow. If you don't care about the weight rule, then why do you care about the other rules? Using weapons is illegal just like using extra weight is illegal.

Then you are coming with nonsense HW can beat WW, no they can't. They can't fight unless they meet at the same weight class, that's one of the rules of this sport, and obviously you are talking out of your butt without even knowing the rules.

It's not cheating because you out weigh someone in a fight lol. You're born a size genetically.

So when tony got smart mouth towards werdum and wanted to fight, if werdum beat his butt there (even if the smaller man started it..) It's the HW who is cheating because he beat down the smaller guy picking fight ? Gtfo lol

You can tell you never trained with bigger people let alone got in fights with bigger people.

Of course in mma there's rules about weight classes but at the end the HW is the king in combat sport period.

 

[Tevfik1907]

It's not cheating because you out weigh someone in a fight lol. You're born a size genetically.

So when tony got smart mouth towards werdum and wanted to fight, if werdum beat his butt there (even if the smaller man started it..) It's the HW who is cheating because he beat down the smaller guy picking fight ? Gtfo lol

You can tell you never trained with bigger people let alone got in fights with bigger people.

Of course in mma there's rules about weight classes but at the end the HW is the king in combat sport period.

It's not cheating because you have a gun and a knife, you're born to use these weapons.

Do you even realize how stupid you sound? <45>

- There are rules,
- You: weight rule doesn't count.

If you want to talk nonsense, then everything is allowed, weapons, bringing other people into fights, cheap-shotting, illegal moves, everything.

You need to follow the rules, you can't cherrypick 1 rule over another. Two different weight classes can't fight in this sport. You need to understand this simple rule before talking nonsense.

And you were also lying about people saying Ali is the GOAT because he is HW, they never said that nonsense, lmao.

 

[kenetics]

It's not cheating because you have a gun and a knife, you're born to use these weapons.

Do you even realize how stupid you sound? <45>

- There are rules,
- You: weight rule doesn't count.

If you want to talk nonsense, then everything is allowed, weapons, bringing other people into fights, cheap-shotting, illegal moves, everything.

You need to follow the rules, you can't cherrypick 1 rule over another. Two different weight classes can't fight in this sport. You need to understand this simple rule before talking nonsense.

And you were also lying about people saying Ali is the GOAT because he is HW, they never said that nonsense, lmao.

Dude you're talking about weapons.. weapons weren't always invented and men had to fight with their bodies. Get it through you head lol.

 

[ExitLUPin]

Do you know what P4P means? This is ridiculous.

Of course boxing experts said Sugar Ray or Floyd could be the boxing GOAT, some experts said Ali is the boxing GOAT, but they never said Ali is the boxing GOAT just because he is HW, lmao.



Also Floyd fought at 155 lb / light-middleweight before.

Almost no historian considers Floyd anywhere near GOAT status b/c he isnt anywhere near that good. Best of his era certainly but nowhere near a GOAT fighter

 

[Tevfik1907]

Dude you're talking about weapons.. weapons weren't always invented and men had to fight with their bodies. Get it through you head lol.

Weapons were invented during the stone age, long before even martial art techniques were invented. You should think a little before typing.

Almost no historian considers Floyd anywhere near GOAT status b/c he isnt anywhere near that good. Best of his era certainly but nowhere near a GOAT fighter

That's not the point.

 

[kenetics]

Weapons were invented during the stone age, long before even martial art techniques were invented. You should think a little before typing.

That's not the point.

They fought with their bodies before inventing or using weapons even in the stone age. The bigger cavemen were the leaders not the smallest ones.

You just can't come to terms with that.

 

[Tevfik1907]

They fought with their bodies before inventing or using weapons even in the stone age.

There were no rules, there were no martial arts, you clearly didn't know how they fought, they could use sticks and throwing rocks to heads, so what you are saying is still stupid and you're still bullshitting.

There is a weight rule in this sport, as plain and simple as that. If you want to see them fighting, they need to meet in the same weight class, lower your weight or increase your weight, otherwise that's no different than cheating by using weapons. Put this simple thing into your head.