All Time GOAT poll

[JeffDredd]

Doesn't matter, at the end HW is king.

Fedor fought at HW which any of those HW he beat would hurt Khabib.

You can't be goat if you're not the HW. This is true even in boxing.

I like Khabib too. Just have to keep it real.lol.

I can't be 100% sure but I feel like you usually talk sense, wtf happened here?

 

[GIBLERTBAPTISTA]

Don’t mind @GOATtalks. He’s a nice guy but suffers from terrible recency bias. I’ve tried my best to help him, but sadly the condition appears to be terminal.

I remember him from another thread, he didnt know who Pele was. Definitely a new fan.

 

[BFoe]

I remember him from another thread, he didnt know who Pele was. Definitely a new fan.

He is, but he’s a good guy. He just has no real way to truly understand he accomplishments of past fighters, so is biased in favor of the newer ones.

 

[BFoe]

Enlighten me

3 x PRIDE, 2 x WAMMA.
Some people snicker and shit on the WAMMA ones, but there’s no real reason to. Fedor won the belt in a legit org by beating Tim Sylvia, who had just fought for the Interim UFC belt in his previous fight. He defended twice, against Arlovski (former UFC champ who was on a 5-fight streak which included Werdum, Rothwell, and Roy Nelson) and Brett Rogers. Rogers might be a bit suspect with hindsight, but at the time was undefeated, had just destroyed Arlovski in seconds, and was a ranked fighter in Strikeforce, which is an absolutely legit org. There’s really no reason to discount those defenses imo.

 

[2004 account]

Look at how they fuck merged your thread bro lol pathetic.

 

[Hitman]

HW GOAT ! But. Stipe is very close now !

 

[pankrat]

How many title defences does Fedor have? 2?

If thats your approach to Fedor's career you are a moron, dude. Your username makes it even worse

 

[FKAri]

Silva definitely has a case above GSP, based on that they both reigned for similar amount of time, beat similar caliber of competition while Silva did by finish much more often despite not enjoying size advantage as much as Jones/GSP
Only a shertard would not value finishing you opponent in a fight btw

Huh?
The only advantage Anderson has over GSP is he dominated his opponents moreso than GSP and maybe anyone else has in the GOAT debates during his prime but the biggest knock on him is also that he had the weakest opposition while GSP had probably the best opposition of anyone.

 

[pankrat]

Huh?
The only advantage Anderson has over GSP is he dominated his opponents moreso than GSP and maybe anyone else has in the GOAT debates during his prime but the biggest knock on him is also that he had the weakest opposition while GSP had probably the best opposition of anyone.

If you acknowledge Anderson has the clear edge in dominance over his peers, there you have the answer. Dominance is the most defining and objective criteria for GOAT, in any sport.

Saying "had the weakest opposition" is very subjective, when talking about guys who cleaned up their division across generations.
Even if you want to argue that GSP had the superior competition - which is debatable - its definitely by a slight margin while the objective gap in dominance is not that slight as refflected on Silva finishing 9 of his tittle challengers while GSP only one.
The fact GSP often enjoyed more size advantage over his competition is also an objective criteria.

If all GSP has going for him is an alleged superior competition which is subjective and not that superior in the first place, that doesnt help that much his case.
I'd say avenging his only two losses is an objective feat for GSP. Not get caught cheating is another one. Finishing the bigger Bisping is a great late career accomplishment too imo.

 

[kenetics]

I can't be 100% sure but I feel like you usually talk sense, wtf happened here?

Makes total sense . You can't be consider the goat if your not a HW. In combat sports that reserved for the HW because they can beat all other divisions die to mir size let alone skills.

I find it funny when people put goat status on small divsion lol.

 

[kenetics]

This is the dumbest shit I've ever read..

Ok white belt.

 

[JeffDredd]

Makes total sense . You can't be consider the goat if your not a HW. In combat sports that reserved for the HW because they can beat all other divisions die to mir size let alone skills.

I find it funny when people put goat status on small divsion lol.

<{cruzshake}>

 

[kenetics]

<{cruzshake}>

I know,.the truth hurts. It's hard to admit that the bad HW would squash our lower weight champs lol. It suck I know.

 

[cheesus]

Fedor ain’t even close to Khabib

Fedor has more top ten wins, longevity, career highlights, finishes. Facts don't care about your feelings.

 

[GOATtalks]

Fedor has more top ten wins, longevity, career highlights, finishes. Facts don't care about your feelings.

Nope.
Khabib has better names on his resume. Conor, Gaethje, Poirier and RDA are better wins than Nog, CroCop, Hunt and Sylvia.

Longevity? Khabib has been undefeated for 12 years. Fedor went 10 years without a loss.

Highlights? Maybe, but mostly over cans.

Finishes? Kind of if you count the cans again. Fedor didn’t finish Nog and CroCop, yet Khabib destroyed Conor, Dustin and Gaethje.

Khabib also has been way more dominant in his fights. Fedor had many bad moments in those fights and easily could’ve lost many of those fights.

The only criteria where Fedor has a clear lead is defeats. Khabib probably will never replicate his Strikeforce run

 

[HuskySamoan]

Silva definitely has a case above GSP, based on that they both reigned for similar amount of time, beat similar caliber of competition while Silva did by finish much more often despite not enjoying size advantage as much as Jones/GSP
Only a shertard would not value finishing you opponent in a fight btw

It's not that I don't value it, but it doesn't exactly imply that you were more dominant than someone who routinely goes to decision, its a different skillset and approach. The things that mean the most are definitely your championship reign and quantifying the greatness of the opponents they beat as champions and contenders and where those opponents were in regards to their own relative careers at the time they fought too. To me the level of competition Anderson and Fedor faced pales in comparison to GSP and Jones, while Khabibs championship reign and number of high level wins doesn't stack up to GSP or Jones either.

I could break this down but I get the impression you arent here for an intelligent discussion. Finishing has value but its certainly not the most important. When determining who is the greatest, defining what determines that and then quantifying is important. Also only a shertard would call someone a shertard, heehaw buddy.

 

[cheesus]

Khabib has better names on his resume. Conor, Gaethje, Poirier and RDA are better wins than Nog, CroCop, Hunt and Sylvia.

Conor was a great win . Porrier, Gaethje & RDA were also great wins but you don't know what you're talking about if you think Nog & Cro Cop at that point in time aren't even comparible.

Longevity? Khabib has been undefeated for 12 years. Fedor went 10 years without a loss.

Fair point, though Khabib was basically fighting absolute nobodies...in Fedors first 16 fights he undeniably fought better competition already beating Herring, Schilt, Sobral, Arona, Nog, Fujita. Khabib also retired early where Fedor went to fight until his early 40's. His status as GOAT would likely be more well received had he retired undefeated.

Highlights? Maybe, but mostly over cans.

Lies

Finishes? Kind of if you count the cans again. Fedor didn’t finish Nog and CroCop, yet Khabib destroyed Conor, Dustin and Gaethje.

And ? Khabib didn't finish Raging Al, RDA, Tibau, Barboza..what's your point ?

Khabib also has been way more dominant in his fights. Fedor had many bad moments in those fights and easily could’ve lost many of those fights.

The only criteria where Fedor has a clear lead is defeats. Khabib probably will never replicate his Strikeforce run

Well he isn't a HW and won't fight until his 40's so yeah it's unlikely. Fedor took more chances than Khabib, he routinely fought larger men.

 

[pankrat]

It's not that I don't value it, but it doesn't exactly imply that you were more dominant than someone who routinely goes to decision, its a different skillset and approach. The things that mean the most are definitely your championship reign and quantifying the greatness of the opponents they beat as champions and contenders and where those opponents were in regards to their own relative careers at the time they fought too. To me the level of competition Anderson and Fedor faced pales in comparison to GSP and Jones, while Khabibs championship reign and number of high level wins doesn't stack up to GSP or Jones either.

I could break this down but I get the impression you arent here for an intelligent discussion. Finishing has value but its certainly not the most important. When determining who is the greatest, defining what determines that and then quantifying is important. Also only a shertard would call someone a shertard, heehaw buddy.

You say Im not here for an intelligent discussion yet I have stated my stance on the matter, and my reasons for it.
I didnt call you a shertard btw, I said that delivering a take on this matter while absolutely ignoring finishes in tittle fights is shertard...stupid, call it whatever man english is not my first language you get the point.

Meanwhile you say that finishes in tittle fights is not an objective sign of superior dominance because "they are different skill set and approach"....Is that an intelligent, honest discussion?

A fight is a fight man, and the reason why many people claim Khabib is GOAT contender is that he submitted his three tittle challengers consecutively, which is unprecedent. If Khabib had had 3 Iaquinta-like dominant decisions...the claim would not be even close as strong, regardless of his skill set and his approach...or rather exactly because of it

Another argument you use is "quantifying the greatness of the opponents and Anderson's pale to GSP"....

Talking about fighters who completely cleaned their division, taking on #1 contender after #1 contender for almost a decade, I'd like to know how do you back up such statement, specially to the extent of saying that such alleged superior quality of opponents makes up for the significant gap in quality of performance (finishes).

You made a brief assessment on Koschek and Alves...which I agreed, legitimate contenders indeed. Now if you think that Silva's opponents "pale" in comparison with Kos/Alves....there is a strong bias going on there.

I could agree on GSP's competition being slighly supeior overall, but definitely not to the extent of making Silva's opponents - and his impressive performances - pale in comparison.

GSP himself shares my opinion regarding Silva's GOAT status btw, for similar reasons:

https://globoesporte.globo.com/comb...nenhuma-foi-o-melhor-de-todos-os-tempos.ghtml

 

[Mike]

Doesn't matter, at the end HW is king.

Fedor fought at HW which any of those HW he beat would hurt Khabib.

You can't be goat if you're not the HW. This is true even in boxing.

I like Khabib too. Just have to keep it real.lol.

LMAO no it isn't. Most don't have a hw as the goat there. They have Sugar as the goat, and some have floyd.

 

[HHJ]

Let me settle the debate.

1. Fedor
2. GSP
3. Khabib

truth talkings