5 X 5: Leg Overgrowth

[Ethan]

I chose the Bill Starr program because it was designed with athletes in mind, I'm not ONLY interested in strength; I'm also a kickboxer and jiu-jitsu practitioner, and having monstrous legs/ass can be detrimental to my performance.

Could you guys recommend another program? Would WS4SB be a better fit potentially?

"Designed with athletes in mind" is a farce unless the idea is it gives you more recovery time.

Big legs/ass will not hurt your performance unless you think stronger kicks, more strength in general, being harder to take down and being basically un-sweep-able "hurts your performance". Strong is strong.

 

[Leify]

Big legs/ass will not hurt your performance unless you think stronger kicks, more strength in general, being harder to take down and being basically un-sweep-able "hurts your performance". Strong is strong.

Not entirely true, as it relates to BJJ. The stockier you are for a given limb length, the more difficult certain submissions become. The triangle and brabo choke immediately come to mind.

The benefits outweigh the negatives by a large margin though, so long as you don't let your flexibility go to shit.

 

[bowlie]

"Designed with athletes in mind" is a farce unless the idea is it gives you more recovery time.

Big legs/ass will not hurt your performance unless you think stronger kicks, more strength in general, being harder to take down and being basically un-sweep-able "hurts your performance". Strong is strong.

In a weight class sport being too big is a problem. If this hypertrophy means he has to have a disproportionately small / weak upper body or to move into a weight class where he isnt at his best it would be detrimental.

TS, If you are getting too heavy, eat less food. Simples.

 

[Tosa]

Nvm. Misread.

 

[Cratos]

You could switch to a strength program that prescribes less squatting, such as 5/3/1.

My legs haven't really grown in the 6 months I've been running Sheiko so...No.

 

[PWR1982]

Lose weight (fat) TS. I also sort of doubt you've gained 2 pant sizes of muscle on your legs and ass - a lot of it was quite possibly fat.

My legs haven't really grown in the 6 months I've been running Sheiko so...No.

How does that prove, that doing 5/3/1 instead of 5x5 will not cause less lower body muscle gain for TS?

 

[Cratos]

How does that prove, that doing 5/3/1 instead of 5x5 will not cause less lower body muscle gain for TS?

Take a look at the squat volume found in the Sheiko programs.

I have not added much/any lower body mass in 6 months.

I don't really understand what was unclear about my post.

 

[redaxe]

My legs haven't really grown in the 6 months I've been running Sheiko so...No.

Have you been eating at a caloric surplus though?

 

[Cratos]

Have you been eating at a caloric surplus though?

Is that not the whole point of what Tosa mentioned in the fifth reply of the thread?

It's about diet.

Why would you suggest he change lifting programs?

You don't want to gain weight? Don't eat to gain weight.

 

[Tosa]

Have you been eating at a caloric surplus though?

The point is that someone doesn't need a lower volume program to avoid size gain. In part because size gain can be held in check by diet.

 

[PWR1982]

Take a look at the squat volume found in the Sheiko programs.

I have not added much/any lower body mass in 6 months.

I don't really understand what was unclear about my post.

I thought you meant that less squatting would not result in less size gain, but you were just saying it's a stupid way to avoid size gain.

 

[tkdyo]

I can sympathize TS, I have ripped 4 pairs of boxers while squatting! So, I have to go up the next boxer size even though my waist has not grown lol. But as others have said, what you should do is control it with diet so that you can still be strong for your size, dont stop squatting!

 

[RemyR]

Must be traumatic when you can't fit into your favorite mini skirt anymore.

P4P best post I've seen in a while

 

[NurseKnuckles]

I chose the Bill Starr program because it was designed with athletes in mind, I'm not ONLY interested in strength; I'm also a kickboxer and jiu-jitsu practitioner, and having monstrous legs/ass can be detrimental to my performance.

Could you guys recommend another program? Would WS4SB be a better fit potentially?

Herbal Magic?

 

[Smeaglebutcrack**]

Not entirely true, as it relates to BJJ. The stockier you are for a given limb length, the more difficult certain submissions become. The triangle and brabo choke immediately come to mind.

The benefits outweigh the negatives by a large margin though, so long as you don't let your flexibility go to shit.

This is all good logic,

I took two years off jits from when i was about 16-18, due to me doing kickboxing and unable to afford the prices of training in both.

When i first started i had muscular but relatively slim thighs but i was always very flexible and my legs were long so i was able to pull of triangles and armbars very easy.

When i came back to it during that time i had grown my thighs much larger than before and i found i could barely pull off the triangle anymore however my omoplatas and kimuras have been much better aswell as usually when i get an armbar its hard for my opponent to roll out of it as i can lock them up very well with my hamstrings.

For kickboxing however you can definitely just feel the affects of having large thighs, your kicks have much more power behind them even when you throw them half gassed, you can take more and harder kicks without injury or as much damage, and one of the best advantages i found was that when my kick is caught and my opponents goes to throw and inside or outside to my standing leg i can stand my ground much easier and avoid being dropped by the kick.

 

[redaxe]

Is that not the whole point of what Tosa mentioned in the fifth reply of the thread?

It's about diet.

Why would you suggest he change lifting programs?

You don't want to gain weight? Don't eat to gain weight.

Don't be obtuse, 5x5 is a hypertrophy-oriented program. It's designed to be done while eating a caloric surplus. 5/3/1 on the other hand is not, and that's why it has less volume. I suggested he consider changing programs because if you don't want to gain mass, why would you even do a 5x5 program? They're for people who want to get big.

Training volume and diet both influence hypertrophy, and they don't work in isolation from each other. They go hand in hand, and you need both in order to build muscle mass. And because training volume stimulates appetite, it can become a positive feedback loop. If you're lifting and notice your legs are getting too big for your liking? The possible answers are: less food, less squat volume, or a combination of both. It depends.

On the other hand if you've been doing a high volume program for a while and are not gaining any mass, of course that means your caloric intake is too low to allow hypertrophy. And it also might mean that a portion of your time spent in the gym is wasted. What are the 5x5 squat sets at 70% in Sheiko even doing for you, if you're not trying to add any muscle mass?

 

[Jake Sonyou]

*opens thread*

* sees comments about not fittin into skinny jeans and mini skirts*









I have nothing to contribute now.

I can sympathize TS, I have ripped 4 pairs of boxers while squatting! So, I have to go up the next boxer size even though my waist has not grown lol. But as others have said, what you should do is control it with diet so that you can still be strong for your size, dont stop squatting!

Problem solved

 

[Cratos]

On the other hand if you've been doing a high volume program for a while and are not gaining any mass, of course that means your caloric intake is too low to allow hypertrophy. And it also might mean that a portion of your time spent in the gym is wasted. What are the 5x5 squat sets at 70% in Sheiko even doing for you, if you're not trying to add any muscle mass?

Lulz.

Not sure if srs, but I think you are, in which case I'll refer back to "lulz".

 

[Stargazer Rex]

TS will be known as Quadzilla from here on out.

 

[Tosa]

On the other hand if you've been doing a high volume program for a while and are not gaining any mass, of course that means your caloric intake is too low to allow hypertrophy. And it also might mean that a portion of your time spent in the gym is wasted. What are the 5x5 squat sets at 70% in Sheiko even doing for you, if you're not trying to add any muscle mass?

There's plenty of reason to do volume, and moderate reps at moderate weights other than hypertrophy. It's more practice with the lifts, and varying between work at high and maximal intensities, and more reps with moderate and low intensities, is a staple in many, many programs. It's not just for hypertrophy.

I think it'd be best if you took a less combative tone here. Instead of assuming you're right, and that 5x5@70% must be for hypertrophy, why not just ask why you're doing it if it's not for hypertrophy? What's better, arguing with Cratos, or learning something new about programming? Or hell, just put this thread aside for a bit, and go read the translated portion of Sheiko's book on EliteFTS.