Yall think Islam Makachev would fight Usman Nurmagomedov if he entered UFC @LW?

[Phillyz]

And that is what I responded to. 1/3 of the real judges and media scoring had it 3-2 Usman, which was a draw with the point deduction, and 2/3 had it 4-1 Usman, which was a 48-46.

oh damn, my bad. Guess my reading comprehension needs some work

regardless, Usman got exposed and should of lost and Hughes would of won that fight anywhere besides an Arabic country

and that was by far the weakest move I ever seen in the Octagon what Usman was doing to re-gain stamina

 

[markg171]

I agree Usman wouldn’t be a title contender but you’re just hating with that last sentence lol. Islam literally was about to fight the number one contender in 2/3 of his last fights and they’re the ones who pulled out

You prove my point for me by saying "Islam was going to fight 2 contenders in his 4 of his title defences, didn't fight the contender instead when they pulled out, and didn't fight any pre-title run either"

 

[nostradumbass]

oh damn, my bad. Guess my reading comprehension needs some work

regardless, Usman got exposed and should of lost and Hughes would of won that fight anywhere besides an Arabic country

and that was by far the weakest move I ever seen in the Octagon what Usman was doing to re-gain stamina

Except the only Arab judge was the one who scored it 3-2, and the 2 who scored it 4-1 were from Vegas and NJ, and work all the cards here. None of the media scoring who had it the same way were Arabs either.

 

[Phillyz]

Except the only Arab judge was the one who scored it 3-2, and the 2 who scored it 4-1 were from Vegas and NJ, and work all the cards here. None of the media scoring who had it the same way were Arabs either.

Stop it.. Hughes could of dominated every rd and still wouldn't of gotten a decision there

and I said corrupt Arabic countries like Abu Dhabi supporting their non-Arabic fighter because of religion.

nothing to do with Arabic people in general

 

[HHJ]

Of course not. They gonna try to do the same thing Khabib and Islam did.

 

[nostradumbass]

Stop it.. Hughes could of dominated every rd and still wouldn't of gotten a decision there

and I said corrupt Arabic countries like Abu Dhabi supporting their non-Arabic fighter because of religion.

nothing to do with Arabic people in general

Uh huh, and you think Sal D'Amato and Eric Colon were biased in favor of Muslims because why, exactly? The media scoring who also had it 4-1 were Brian Knapp, Tyler Treese, Keith Shillina, Nick Baldwin, and Dayne Fox. Which of those is a secret Jihadi?


And this was the referee.

 

[Phillyz]

Uh huh, and you think Sal D'Amato and Eric Colon were biased in favor of Muslims because why, exactly? The media scoring who also had it 4-1 were Brian Knapp, Tyler Treese, Keith Shillina, Nick Baldwin, and Dayne Fox. Which of those is a secret Jihadi?


And this was the referee.

yeah. Corruption $$$

 

[HuskySamoan]

No, and I also think that Islam is significantly better than Usman. Usman just signed another 2 year contract with pfl, right? he's 26 and still growing, so him staying in pfl a bit longer might be best for him. I think Islam, Arman, Charles, and maybe even a couple other guys would beat Usman as he is right now.

Just my opinion.

Islam beat Usman? Probably. Oliveira? Lol come on. What's Oliveiras record vs Dagestanis? 100% loss rate.

 

[fortheo]

Islam beat Usman? Probably. Oliveira? Lol come on. What's Oliveiras record vs Dagestanis? 100% loss rate.

Usman isn't at the level you think he is. His grappling is not at islam's level, and frankly neither is his striking. I'd favor charles comfortably over usman. Hell, I'd probably even favor Poirier and potentially gaethje. Usman's only beat two warm bodies in his entire career, and looked pedestrian doing so. IF you can't do shit to an irish boxer on the mat, how are you going to convince me that you're beating Charles? especially when usman barely punches and relies strictly on long range kicking.

He's good, but he's not top 3 yet in my opinion. Another couple years though and I expect he'll be who you think he is.

 

[HuskySamoan]

Usman isn't at the level you think he is. His grappling is not at islam's level, and frankly neither is his striking. I'd favor charles comfortably over usman. Hell, I'd probably even favor Poirier and potentially gaethje. Usman's only beat two warm bodies in his entire career, and looked pedestrian doing so. IF you can't do shit to an irish boxer on the mat, how are you going to convince me that you're beating Charles? especially when usman barely punches and relies strictly on long range kicking.

He's good, but he's not top 3 yet in my opinion. Another couple years though and I expect he'll be who you think he is.

These guys were never as great as people wanted to believe them to be.

 

[fortheo]

These guys were never as great as people wanted to believe them to be.

Umar and usman aren't there yet. Khabib and islam absolutely are as good as people think. Well, unless you tell me they're better than GSP, mighty mouse, jones, etc etc...then they're not

 

[Thesnake101]

Usman isn't at the level you think he is. His grappling is not at islam's level, and frankly neither is his striking. I'd favor charles comfortably over usman. Hell, I'd probably even favor Poirier and potentially gaethje. Usman's only beat two warm bodies in his entire career, and looked pedestrian doing so. IF you can't do shit to an irish boxer on the mat, how are you going to convince me that you're beating Charles? especially when usman barely punches and relies strictly on long range kicking.

He's good, but he's not top 3 yet in my opinion. Another couple years though and I expect he'll be who you think he is.

Charles has the type of chin primed for an Usman knock down off a head kick tbh. Poirier will forever be a perpetual choker who is only getting older, Gaethje could present problems with his kicks and pressure, but his grappling is so poor that I can't help but think he'd end up losing against a camp as well prepared as Usman's.

Do I think Usman would dominate them and cruise to an easy win? No, but those three guys are very flawed and reaching the end of their prime. It's not unreasonable to think that Usman would find a way to squeak out a win just on the basis of being a less vulnerable fighter. At the top durability alone can swing fights, if Usman has the patented Nurmagomedov chin then all of the sudden those fights become very winnable for him.

 

[fortheo]

Charles has the type of chin primed for an Usman knock down off a head kick tbh. Poirier will forever be a perpetual choker who is only getting older, Gaethje could present problems with his kicks and pressure, but his grappling is so poor that I can't help but think he'd end up losing against a camp as well prepared as Usman's.

Do I think Usman would dominate them and cruise to an easy win? No, but those three guys are very flawed and reaching the end of their prime. It's not unreasonable to think that Usman would find a way to squeak out a win just on the basis of being a less vulnerable fighter. At the top durability alone can swing fights, if Usman has the patented Nurmagomedov chin then all of the sudden those fights become very winnable for him.

He better hope he cracks oliveira in a hypothetical fight, because he would not be able to keep up with charles pace on the feet, or even on the ground in my opinion. He would fatigue trying to keep charles off him on the feet, and he'd fatigue trying to control charles on the mat.

If usman gets his cardio under control and keeps adding to his game, which I'm sure he will, then I'll be on board with the rest of you guys . As of right now I see a long range taekwondo guy with above average wrestling and average cardio. He's still untested in many ways. He's never faced a top knotch submision artist or wrestler. Hughs was taking the first minute or two off of every round and he still had usman fading.

He's just too untested for me at the moment, and from the tests he's had and passed, I haven't been wowed.

 

[Usssssyyyy]

Usman will never be UFC LW champ

 

[richardjohnson]

yeah. Corruption $$$

lol it’s always the same with you goobers, never any actual proof to backup these stupid theories other than “oil money, bro”

 

[Brigfa2]

Dumbest question of all time

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

you don't know to score if you think Usman lost that fight. Hughes only clearly won round 3 and got cracked in round 5 and taken down. Clearly lost round 1, round 2 and 4 went to usman too.

The last 3 rnds where super close and while I think Usman won by being in control of large portions of the fight, Hughes had alot of momentum late and Usmans body language wasn't great (the head butt may have contributed to that). Also Hughs moments looked alot better than Usman, he battered Usman everytime he tried to use the plum clinch and landed great shots on the inside.

Personally I can see why people gave Hughes the especially with the point deduction

 

[Big Tuppy Hole]

The 3 nut shots weren't that effective (ok maybe the 3rd one) Hughes got up everytime because he knew Usman was gassed

nut shots weren't working so he went with the headclash and had the Dr come in when Hughes clearly got the worse of it

just an embarassment especially when Hughes was just staring him down watching him take his well needed breather lol

you can't deny he was exposed, but then again nobody gave Hughes a chance against McKee and he dominated him.

There needs to be a rematch that isn't in an Arabic country and I would favor Hughes

That was a huge headclash and to say Hughes got the worst of it is incorrect. Hughes caught the forehead front on with a straight neck (perfect technique to headbutt someone). Usman ate it on the temple without a solid base under him.

 

[markg171]

Stop it.. Hughes could of dominated every rd and still wouldn't of gotten a decision there

and I said corrupt Arabic countries like Abu Dhabi supporting their non-Arabic fighter because of religion.

nothing to do with Arabic people in general

People get real upset when you point out that a region of the planet that's known for using their money to solve their problems might do the same for sports as well.

They're not throwing billions at these sports to not TRY and get the outcomes they want.

 

[markg171]

That was a huge headclash and to say Hughes got the worst of it is incorrect. Hughes caught the forehead front on with a straight neck (perfect technique to headbutt someone). Usman ate it on the temple without a solid base under him.

Brotha if you believe Usman needed the 5 minutes while Hughes was the one gushing blood I have a bath tub to sell you.

Usman was gassed and close to being finished so faked a need for recovery. Perfectly legal loophole, but don't pretend like we don't all know what was going on there. Usman just wanted a break.