Social WTF Elon ????????????????

[sverre054]

"Brackis mops floor with McMann and Musk"

Have you ever taken a step back and analyzed the cult behaviors at hand?
You're ordaining some dude as our generation's equivalent of the people who were literally some of the greatest advancers of industry in the history of the world, then telling people to read a book about the leader of the cult.
These biographies and declarations are horse-before-cart celebrity worship. I'll happily eat my crow if the guy brings something INTO ACTUAL WORKING ORDER that advances the human condition in a manner not otherwise available through other companies.

All I'm saying is he has had a pretty incredible life so far, and has accomplished many things so far. He had a tough childhood, moved across the world, continues to create new and exciting products, and is trying to get man, to other worlds. He sets a goal and gets shit done.

 

[brackis1]

All I'm saying is he has had a pretty incredible life so far, and has accomplished many things so far. He had a tough childhood, moved across the world, continues to create new and exciting products, and is trying to get man, to other worlds. He sets a goal and gets shit done.

Again, step back and read what you're typing. You're trying to use some random dude's childhood (he sure had it tough as a rich kid bragging about selling emeralds; how rough!) that you read in some biography to justify us giving him trillion+ dollars of capital investment for him to use recklessly. This is not someone who should be holding the tiller. What goals has he met to "get shit done" as you say? He is actually infamous for promising things in the future, every gets excited, then we get a halfbaked version well past whatever deadline he made up. He promised us full self-driving cars @ $35,000. We're not even close to that.
We make fun of Trump for his idiocy, but like Trump this dude literally has been asked by his company to have someone MODERATE HIS TWEETS. How insane is that? The head of a company being begged to STFU by his own employees.

 

[JonesBones]

All I'm saying is he has had a pretty incredible life so far, and has accomplished many things so far. He had a tough childhood, moved across the world, continues to create new and exciting products, and is trying to get man, to other worlds. He sets a goal and gets shit done.

He didn't have a rough childhood. His own father says he is a spoiled brat. His dad gave him money to start.



Errol, who was a millionaire before the age of 30, rejected Elon’s claims about his childhood, saying he and his first wife Maye brought up their three children, Elon, Kimbal and Tosca, in luxury.

“I drove them to school in a convertible Rolls-Royce Corniche, they had thoroughbred horses to ride and motorbikes at the age of 14,” he said. “They were spoilt, I suppose. Maybe that’s why Elon is acting like a spoilt child now.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...l/news-story/df7279080de9ed5253bb6733b1d73c22

 

[brackis1]

He didn't have a rough childhood. His own father says he is a spoiled brat. His dad gave him money to start.



Errol, who was a millionaire before the age of 30, rejected Elon’s claims about his childhood, saying he and his first wife Maye brought up their three children, Elon, Kimbal and Tosca, in luxury.

“I drove them to school in a convertible Rolls-Royce Corniche, they had thoroughbred horses to ride and motorbikes at the age of 14,” he said. “They were spoilt, I suppose. Maybe that’s why Elon is acting like a spoilt child now.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...l/news-story/df7279080de9ed5253bb6733b1d73c22

For context: his father is also crazy and estranged from his son.
He has a great relationship with his mom and she is basically an extension of his hype machine as a 'model' for older women's fashion and basically tweeting about her son's business on social media all day.

Wishing I had shorted all of today instead of just the second half

 

[JonesBones]

For context: his father is also crazy and estranged from his son.
He has a great relationship with his mom and she is basically an extension of his hype machine as a 'model' for older women's fashion and basically tweeting about her son's business on social media all day.

Wishing I had shorted all of today instead of just the second half

yeah, his mother thinks she is this great family woman. the family is at war. lol. the other brother sucks and is on the board too after almost ruining chipolte. The entire board is a bunch of pushovers. He surrounds himself with yes men. He is the kind of CEO that Carl Icahn would throw off a fuckin roof. He hates bad management. lol. That is what Musk needs. A strong personality to challenge him.

 

[brackis1]

yeah, his mother thinks she is this great family woman. the family is at war. lol. the other brother sucks and is on the board too after almost ruining chipolte. The entire board is a bunch of pushovers. He surrounds himself with yes men. He is the kind of CEO that Carl Icahn would throw off a fuckin roof. He hates bad management. lol. That is what Musk needs. A strong personality to challenge him.

Yeah it's pretty wild how everyone there is setup to serve Musk.

https://techcrunch.com/2018/12/27/e...lan-for-tesla-supercharger-network-in-europe/

"
In April 2017, Tesla said it would double its global network of Superchargers from more than 5,400 to more than 10,000 by the end of the year. It fell short of that goal, with about 8,250 Superchargers.

Earlier this year, Musk laid out plans to have 18,000 superchargers globally by the end 2018. As of December 27, Tesla has 11,583 Superchargers (within 1,386 Supercharger stations) globally."

 

[sverre054]

He didn't have a rough childhood. His own father says he is a spoiled brat. His dad gave him money to start.



Errol, who was a millionaire before the age of 30, rejected Elon’s claims about his childhood, saying he and his first wife Maye brought up their three children, Elon, Kimbal and Tosca, in luxury.

“I drove them to school in a convertible Rolls-Royce Corniche, they had thoroughbred horses to ride and motorbikes at the age of 14,” he said. “They were spoilt, I suppose. Maybe that’s why Elon is acting like a spoilt child now.”

https://www.news.com.au/finance/wor...l/news-story/df7279080de9ed5253bb6733b1d73c22

Just because your rich, doesn't mean you can't have a bad childhood. His Dad sounds like he has serious issues. He just had a child, with his step daughter.

 

[InternetHero]

Have you ridden a subway in a major city? Fuck t

Many days of the week in Shenzhen/Hong Kong.

Not bad at all as long as you know where to go and when to go.

The more salient point might be: does anyone ponder how much it would cost to uproot a spread out city like LA and develop a working and efficient subway system that people would use in large numbers?

I'm guessing the price tag would be anywhere from utterly exorbitant to astronomical due to the regulatory and bureaucratic problems that exist in California and much of America as a whole.

 

[Goatenstein]

Musk is a fucking idiot.

 

[brackis1]

Just because your rich, doesn't mean you can't have a bad childhood. His Dad sounds like he has serious issues. He just had a child, with his step daughter.

Again, step back and remember what you're talking about: that tidbit is only relevant because you brought it up as a way to justify why someone should be entrusted with huge sums of money. It's irrelevant.

 

[brackis1]

The con continues: hires "independent board member" to complete SEC settlement to provide more oversight to Musk...turns out to be Larry Ellison who is his friend and pumped Tesla stock during an Oracle event when the stock was low lol.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/26/ora...on-discloses-big-personal-stake-in-tesla.html

 

[sverre054]

Again, step back and remember what you're talking about: that tidbit is only relevant because you brought it up as a way to justify why someone should be entrusted with huge sums of money. It's irrelevant.

I was responding to a comment saying, he couldn't have had a tough childhood, because his father was wealthy.

 

[Andy Capp]

Lol hold up....you're comparing Musk's marketing acumen to Edison...who used his marketing acumen to...beat out the genius and genuine passion of Nikola Tesla such that one ended in failure because of lack of financial backing for society-minded products that didn't have consumer demand?
Do you not see the contradiction at hand?

And that's completely discounting the disconnect in actual inventions comparing edison and musk.

The thing is, Edison was a massive prick, as was Steve Jobs, and now, Musk apparently, yet most people just plain don't care as long as they keep shoving shiny new toys in front of them. What Americans haven't heard about the nets at Foxconn factories yet continue to buy i-crap in ridiculous numbers?

Not to turn this into a Trump rant, but he similarly was pretty obviously an awful person yet it was stated many many times it didn't matter because tax cuts. It's a sad commentary on society, imo, but I don't see it changing anytime soon.

 

[brackis1]

The thing is, Edison was a massive prick, as was Steve Jobs, and now, Musk apparently, yet most people just plain don't care as long as they keep shoving shiny new toys in front of them. What Americans haven't heard about the nets at Foxconn factories yet continue to buy i-crap in ridiculous numbers?

Not to turn this into a Trump rant, but he similarly was pretty obviously an awful person yet it was stated many many times it didn't matter because tax cuts. It's a sad commentary on society, imo, but I don't see it changing anytime soon.

I mean I understand the Foxconn indifference among iPhone fans because it's a product everyone can get hooked on, and it's not in your face.
Whereas Musk is getting random shmoes going into debt just to buy a car based on how excited everyone is, and like Duke basketball, tons of "fans" who will never get into the club.

 

[Madmick]

The thing is, Edison was a massive prick, as was Steve Jobs, and now, Musk apparently, yet most people just plain don't care as long as they keep shoving shiny new toys in front of them. What Americans haven't heard about the nets at Foxconn factories yet continue to buy i-crap in ridiculous numbers?

Not to turn this into a Trump rant, but he similarly was pretty obviously an awful person yet it was stated many many times it didn't matter because tax cuts. It's a sad commentary on society, imo, but I don't see it changing anytime soon.

Edison did important work, and I don't care for Musk being equated to Jobs (who contributed nothing towards solving mankind's central problems).

Musk is work to ween us off fossil fuels. That is an essential fight right now.

 

[brackis1]

Edison did important work, and I don't care for Musk being equated to Jobs (who contributed nothing towards solving mankind's central problems).

Musk is work to ween us off fossil fuels. That is an essential fight right now.

lol I fucking hate Jobs, but the iPhone alone is leaps and bounds above what Musk has done at this point. (1 billion+ smartphones, not to mention iPods and the rest of the shit Apple does across a cross section of social classes, compared to 300,000 cars exclusively owned by rich people in urban liberal cities)
What is Musk doing to ween us off fossil fuels that is unique to him? Do you ever hear about solar companies that aren't his? (despite his small marketshare)

What a friggin world I've found myself in where people are so conned that they cheer a manufacturing industrialist who is anti-regulation as the next hero of environmentalism. It makes a lot of sense though. Tesla basically has 3-4 main blogs that shill for them on a daily basis, which Musk then uses to retweet or ideally they want their shit to get picked up by major news outlets with little factchecking.
Somehow www.Elecktrek.co www.Teslrarati.com and www.CleanTechnica.com all have a staff of writers that can afford to pump out articles everyday while also affording to own Teslas themselves. They also manage to get scoops somehow on any piece of good Tesla news and get invites to debut events.

One dude who Musk retweets for positive press, Simon Alvarez, has written FIFTY articles in the last 18 days. https://www.teslarati.com/author/simon-alvarez/
There is absolutely zero way someone posts that many articles over the holidays, and is allowed to use the term 'Tesla' in their incorporation while supposedly collecting money from ads and post-placement. That is unless Tesla is propping the blog up.

 

[Madmick]

lol I fucking hate Jobs, but the iPhone alone is leaps and bounds above what Musk has done at this point. (1 billion+ smartphones, not to mention iPods and the rest of the shit Apple does across a cross section of social classes, compared to 300,000 cars exclusively owned by rich people in urban liberal cities)

LOL, what the fuck has the smartphone done to solve the great problems facing mankind?

Very little. At its most useful it has supplied crowd-sourced evidence to substantiate controversial truths such as Assad bombing his own people with Sarin gas, but even that is denied by those determined to deny it (along with the investigative conclusions of every government in the world, human rights body, and independent military observer not invested in Assad). They have been useful in broadcasting authority misconduct. That's really it. Anything else was already being done with laptops.

If anything smartphones have contributed to our collective social problems.

What is Musk doing to ween us off fossil fuels that is unique to him? Do you ever hear about solar companies that aren't his? (despite his small marketshare)

What a friggin world I've found myself in where people are so conned that they cheer a manufacturing industrialist who is anti-regulation as the next hero of environmentalism. It makes a lot of sense though. Tesla basically has 3-4 main blogs that shill for them on a daily basis, which Musk then uses to retweet or ideally they want their shit to get picked up by major news outlets with little factchecking.
Somehow www.Elecktrek.co www.Teslrarati.com and www.CleanTechnica.com all have a staff of writers that can afford to pump out articles everyday while also affording to own Teslas themselves. They also manage to get scoops somehow on any piece of good Tesla news and get invites to debut events.

One dude who Musk retweets for positive press, Simon Alvarez, has written FIFTY articles in the last 18 days. https://www.teslarati.com/author/simon-alvarez/
There is absolutely zero way someone posts that many articles over the holidays, and is allowed to use the term 'Tesla' in their incorporation while supposedly collecting money from ads and post-placement. That is unless Tesla is propping the blog up.

There it is. Here is the sole basis for your hatred of Musk. It has nothing to do with what he does, and everything to do with what he thinks. Some of us are better capable of espying propaganda than yourself.

You're useless.

 

[brackis1]

LOL, what the fuck has the smartphone done to solve the great problems facing mankind?

Very little. At its most useful it has supplied crowd-sourced evidence to substantiate controversial truths such as Assad bombing his own people with Sarin gas, but even that is denied by those determined to deny it (along with the investigative conclusions of every government in the world, human rights body, and independent military observer not invested in Assad). They have been useful in broadcasting authority misconduct. That's really it. Anything else was already being done with laptops.

If anything smartphones have contributed to our collective social problems.

There it is. Here is the sole basis for your hatred of Musk. It has nothing to do with what he does, and everything to do with what he thinks. Some of us are better capable of espying propaganda than yourself.

You're useless.

Your world bubble is showing.
Tesla seems like a huge breakthru if you're a rich person with money to blow on a fancy car. To the rest of the world the proliferation of smartphones has allowed literally billions of people to get access to banking, news, chat etc... places like Kenya and India are undergoing industrial revolutions based off the mobile telecom access of their citizens.

Fuck, ignoring every single other breakthru the world has because of mass-smartphone adoption, setting the hardware framework for ridesharing is already so much more of a disruption to transport then getting celebrities to switch from Range Rovers to Model Xs.

How am I useless? I've pointed out blatant propaganda nonsense.
Do you outright deny that Musk uses "3rd party blogs" to pump propaganda stories?

 

[Madmick]

Your world bubble is showing.

Tesla seems like a huge breakthru if you're a rich person with money to blow on a fancy car. To the rest of the world the proliferation of smartphones has allowed literally billions of people to get access to banking, news, chat etc... places like Kenya and India are undergoing industrial revolutions based off the mobile telecom access of their citizens.

Fuck, ignoring every single other breakthru the world has because of mass-smartphone adoption, setting the hardware framework for ridesharing is already so much more of a disruption to transport then getting celebrities to switch from Range Rovers to Model Xs.

How am I useless? I've pointed out blatant propaganda nonsense.
Do you outright deny that Musk uses "3rd party blogs" to pump propaganda stories?

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My "world bubble". Your inferiority complex is showing.

No, "literally billions" of people didn't gain access to news and banking that didn't previously enjoy this access, Felicia. Your inability to distinguish infrastructure from endpoint is apparent, now. The internet and broadcast communications enabled all of these things. Ever heard of TV and radio? That is what brought news to the masses. The smartphone, meanwhile, has arguably divided us into echo chambers and preference bubbles based on algorithms that determine what we are most likely to view or "like", not what is edifying us, and this has contributed to the rise in "fake news" as well as the proliferation of clickbait headlines.

BTW, concerning that offhanded "literally billions" comment. There are fewer than 2 1/2 billion smartphone owners worldwide. The overwhelming majority of these smartphone owners are in first/second world markets or BRIC. Map this figure out precisely...how many of these smartphone owners had no access to a banking infrastructure before that have access to it now?

India was in an industrial revolution prior to smartphones, and it isn't driven by micro-money transactions. It's clear that you're furiously Googling to turn up names like Kenya to support your careless, offhanded remark about what a miracle smartphones are. The internet and radio are the great inventions, here, and mobile banking was inevitable. Are you even aware the earliest SMS-based mobile banking devices and software-- the kind used in Kenya-- preceded the iPhones and iOS?

Of course you didn't. It's why you don't realize the proliferation of the technology was a temporal coincidence.

Ridesharing is more of a disruption to transportation than viable, affordable AC motors in trucks and cars? Tell me...how hard did ridesharing hit the gas corporations and overall fuel usage worldwide? What are the total road-miles saved by Uber every year versus prior traditional cab models? What has been the overall downturn in the hotel & motel sector because of AirBnB?

I don't read Elon's press. In fact, I don't read much about Elon at all, and (unlike libtards similar to yourself) was a skeptic and critic of the man prior to his recent achievement that saw his affordable Tesla 3 brought into mass production. This is the tipping point that changes a market.

You're an ignorant tool who roots his opinion of what Elon is doing wholly in his opposition to government regulation.

 

[brackis1]

My "world bubble". Your inferiority complex is showing.

No, "literally billions" of people didn't gain access to news and banking that didn't previously enjoy this access, Felicia. Your inability to distinguish infrastructure from endpoint is apparent, now. The internet and broadcast communications enabled all of these things. Ever heard of TV and radio? That is what brought news to the masses. The smartphone, meanwhile, has arguably divided us into echo chambers and preference bubbles based on algorithms that determine what we are most likely to view or "like", not what is edifying us, and this has contributed to the rise in "fake news" as well as the proliferation of clickbait headlines.

BTW, concerning that offhanded "literally billions" comment. There are fewer than 2 1/2 billion smartphone owners worldwide. The overwhelming majority of these smartphone owners are in first/second world markets or BRIC. Map this figure out precisely...how many of these smartphone owners had no access to a banking infrastructure before that have access to it now?

India was in an industrial revolution prior to smartphones, and it isn't driven by micro-money transactions. It's clear that you're furiously Googling to turn up names like Kenya to support your careless, offhanded remark about what a miracle smartphones are. The internet and radio are the great inventions, here, and mobile banking was inevitable. Are you even aware the earliest SMS-based mobile banking devices and software-- the kind used in Kenya-- preceded the iPhones and iOS?

Of course you didn't. It's why you don't realize the proliferation of the technology was a temporal coincidence.

Ridesharing is more of a disruption to transportation than viable, affordable AC motors in trucks and cars? Tell me...how hard did ridesharing hit the gas corporations and overall fuel usage worldwide? What are the total road-miles saved by Uber every year versus prior traditional cab models? What has been the overall downturn in the hotel & motel sector because of AirBnB?

I don't read Elon's press. In fact, I don't read much about Elon at all, and (unlike libtards similar to yourself) was a skeptic and critic of the man prior to his recent achievement that saw his affordable Tesla 3 brought into mass production. This is the tipping point that changes a market.

You're an ignorant tool who roots his opinion of what Elon is doing wholly in his opposition to government regulation.

I'm not furiously googling. Kenya is a well-known example of mass deployment of smartphones for alternative banking and a bunch of rideshare startups (from my ongoing hatred of Uber, much like Tesla. Also because I have an unhealthy hatred of a company called SamaSource that runs outsourcing for Facebook and Walmart in Nairobi under the umbrella of "nonprofit tech training"), which is why it got picked. I used India because they're the largest example. Was it advancing before smartphones? Sure. Were car batteries getting going before Musk? Yes too. Want me to talk about my friend working in emerging SE Markets for a FAANG company where he says everything is done on mobile? (I wouldn't want to bust his NDA)
It's rich that you want to talk infrastructure on smartphones and belittle Jobs/iPhones impact, but give so much credit to Musk in the broader scheme of alternative energy like he is the hero.
Have the cake or eat it: either Jobs and Musk are both gods of industrial advancement, or they're both figureheads with decent ability to have final say in design meetings who then get to advertise on behalf of their company at events.

As I've already said: I DON'T LIKE JOBS OR APPLE, BUT IF WE'RE GOING TO PLAY HERO WORSHIP AND ATTRIBUTE FIRST-TO-MASS-MARKET PRODUCT DEVELOPMENT TO CHARISTMASTIC CEOS, MUSK IS WELL BEHIND JOBS UNTIL TESLA IS MASS-ADOPTED. Your attempt to deflect my point by crying about smartphones as unhealthy for western world teenage addicts is riiiiich and has nothing to do with my point. Are cars making people lazy and exercise less too? Yep. Would that be a weak as fuck argument for why electronic cars are bad given the numerous positives? Yes again.

The overhype CEO tech cult comparison between Musk/Tesla/EVs and Jobs/iPhone/smartphones works well:
-Tesla is Apple (slick, relies on celebrity endorsements for fashion/status, hotshot CEO, sells simplicity as luxury, hardware outsourced to other companies, fancy mall-placement showrooms, proprietary chargers)
-Prius is the Blackberry (halfway there...ahead of its time...made fun of as nerdy/ugly)
-Panasonic is closest to Android/Google, or possibly Samsung (batteries as an OS for tons of companies to mass-adopt, or if we use the Samsung comparison for being the chipset backbone of the phone industry for the 2010s for Tesla/Apple manufacturing).

I'm truly perplexed what sort of logic you're trying to invoke by claiming I'm a libtard who reads too much about Musk. Are you really that confused dude? Did you not read this whole thread where I compared Teslas supporters to the Southpark episode for being smug liberals? I'm chiding "libtards" who read too much about Musk without invoking critical thought about the technologies he promises, the deadlines, the cost, the government involvement, the labor rights for his workers, him faking a cave rescue and calling some a etc...
Half is my disdain for rich scam artists, the other half is my research valuation as an active equities market participant (which I've already mentioned multiple times, but somehow ended up with me being a stupid libtard).



Happy New Year.