Wrestling > boxing > sambo > kickboxing > MMA > BJJ

[dipstickjimmy]

They're simply better athletes.

Complete horse shit. Rinaldo is a better athlete then Deontay Wilder. GSP is a better athlete than Tyson Fury. But Fury and Wilder are better boxers. Just like Floyd Mayweather is a better athlete than Ben Askren but Ben is a vastly superior wrestler.

Putting a top mixed martial artist into boxing against a boxing specialist to judge the best athlete is about as smart as putting a boxing specialist into a BJJ match with an ADCC gold medallist.

If money draws only the best into Boxing is Jake Paul an elite boxer? Nope but he makes more money then 99.9% of boxers.

 

[JustBleed69]

Ranked by athleticism of top practitioners. Time after time, UFC fighters have shown that they are less athletic than even mediocre boxers. Forget about comparing UFC fighters to wrestlers.

I'd change it to:

Wrestling > Sambo > MMA > Kickboxing > Boxing > BJJ

Being explosive is not the only thing involved in athleticism.
It's a blend of power, strength, endurance, stamina, skill, mechanical efficiency, etc.

If we were basing it purely on power/ speed then your list might be more accurate, but that's not what athleticism is.

 

[mattfin]

Can you think of anybody who started out as a BJJ artist and managed to compete in high level amateur wrestling?

Ummm..... Can you think of anybody who started out as a BJJ artist and ever even ENTERED a high level amateur wrestling competition...? BJJ guys don't enter wrestling competitions because there's zero money in it. I mean, maybe if they DID try they would all lose, but you can't use the absence of any high level BJJ guys ever trying wrestling competitions as evidence that they would automatically be destroyed.

 

[MarleyLynx]

Ranked by athleticism of top practitioners. Time after time, UFC fighters have shown that they are less athletic than even mediocre boxers. Forget about comparing UFC fighters to wrestlers.

Except this is completely arbitrary.

Athletes that seemingly have a low athletic ceiling...

Wrestling: Askren
Boxing: Butterbean
Sambo: Fedor
MMA: Leben
BJJ: Roy Nelson....

It's the athlete. I believe that wrestling and sambo may get you in better shape due to the short and explosive nature of the sports.... however you're also infinitely more prone to injury and poor body mechanics. All arts are reliant on the athletes.

Athletes with high athletic ceilings...

Wrestling: Boroughs
Boxing: Wilder
Sambo: Khabib
MMA: GSP
BJJ: Galvao...Ryan...

If you're going to say GSP is nothing compared to butterbean or hell even Fury you're crazy. If you're going to say Andre Galvao's athleticism isn't comparable to Ben Askrens... I mean it just goes on infinitely.

Also, what is your measurement of athleticism?
Is it being peeled?
Is it explosive muscle fibers?
Is it cardiovascular health?
Is it performing on sport specific tasks?

It's just way too arbitrary.

 

[MarleyLynx]

Ummm..... Can you think of anybody who started out as a BJJ artist and ever even ENTERED a high level amateur wrestling competition...? BJJ guys don't enter wrestling competitions because there's zero money in it. I mean, maybe if they DID try they would all lose, but you can't use the absence of any high level BJJ guys ever trying wrestling competitions as evidence that they would automatically be destroyed.

Watched a BJJ blackbelt without wrestling experience enter a wrestling competition and beat an NCAA all American and win the tournament. That's the only situation that comes to mind.

 

[Choco]

If wrestling is above everything, why do they lose their athleticism to earn peanuts instead of winning millions elsewhere ?

Wrestling is for the guys that are either too slow or too small to play football. Wrestling not paying shit and lacking visibility, was good because blak kids were weren't to interested, so white kids had their sport.

Am I doing this shitposting thing rigth?

 

[Evan_The_Kid_1]

All mma fighters that challenged boxers in boxing have lost. Boxers continue to use mma fighters as easy pay days and mma fighters are willing to do it for the bigger pay days. It's pretty obvious now. Boxers are not worried about the boxing skill level of mma fighters at all.

Guy Mezger won his boxing debut, as did Tra Telligman, as did Vitor Belfort.

 

[Handsome Goku]

 

[Mavrilicious]

Ranked by athleticism of top practitioners. Time after time, UFC fighters have shown that they are less athletic than even mediocre boxers. Forget about comparing UFC fighters to wrestlers.

1. UFC fighters do not represent the entirety of MMA. A local amateur fighter isn't all "UFC fighters"
2. Yes athleticism can be gauged but how? These are different rulesets. If you're comparing an MMA fighters boxing in a BOXING rule set of course they'll look like trash. I can also tell you there are few if any boxers(that haven't cross trained) that can defend a double leg, dominate an over/under exchange, and be a threat from their guard.

All in all

1/10 troll thread

 

[Sean Ryan]

These are all completely different disciplines. I grew up boxing. I would fancy myself in a boxing match against a wrestler! I would not fancy myself in any sort of MMA fight or grappling match. If them bastards get a hold of my wrists it's over.
People think all boxers have KO power. I know a lot of the angles and footwork in boxing wouldn't really work in MMA unless your opponent let's you get away with it.

 

[eddi]

nah i'd kill and paralyse some guys at my boxing class in a fight yet they start styling on me and dancing like flowers and beat me in sparring.
The good thing about boxing and kickboxing though is the guys that i train with come from rough neighborhood and are a bit more "alppa" than the Bjj guys who are mostly educated a bit soft and "technical" richer guys all about peace and shit.
wrestling > MMA > sambo > boxing > Bjj > kickboxing.

 

[Sticko]

Ummm..... Can you think of anybody who started out as a BJJ artist and ever even ENTERED a high level amateur wrestling competition...? BJJ guys don't enter wrestling competitions because there's zero money in it. I mean, maybe if they DID try they would all lose, but you can't use the absence of any high level BJJ guys ever trying wrestling competitions as evidence that they would automatically be destroyed.

Gordon Ryan did two matches with amateur wrestler Patrick Downey in the same day, one wrestling and one grappling.

In the grappling match Ryan submitted Downey with a body triangle.

In the wrestling match Downey won by technical fall.

 

[fzoid4454]

https://www.insider.com/is-water-polo-hard-olympics-2016-8

 

[LoneStalker]

Sriracha > mustard > mayo > ketchup, IMO.
TS is comparing different disciplines, which require different skills and strengths.

 

[Sakurabaism]

Boxing is just one martial arts in mma. Not all boxers cross train. There are boxers that cross train and focused in boxing because they have the skillset to do it. Boxing works in mma. There are high level mma boxers, and the wrestler boxer style was a popular mma style that most used. Pro boxers that are elite/high level have better boxing skillset than what is currently in mma. That was evident in the Conor vs Mayweather fight and all the other fights where mma fighters challenge pro boxers.

It's not hard to grasp. If you have mma fighters challenge boxers the level playing field is boxing since they all train it. If you are looking for an advantage than you will want a grappling advantage or kicking advantage vs fighters that don't train any of that. The level playing field is in boxing and that's why these fights are done using boxing. Plus the pay is better in boxing so it doesn't make sense to try and get a boxer to do mma for less pay when you guys can fight in boxing and make more. It's prize fighting. It's the reason combat sports athletes/fighters got into mma in the first place. So they can make more money compared to what they were making in their specialized sport/martial arts discipline. If they could do boxing they would do boxing instead. Just look at the pay in the boxing fights compared to mma fights. Who would want to do mma instead for less pay if you had an option to make more?

I understand your point and it's not that simiple really. Fighters come into mma with zero striking ability and become mma champions. Fighers also come into mma with zero grappling ability and also become champions. Even if they don't become champions there are a lot of fighters that fit those molds. You can't expect elite level boxers to not be able to adjust when other fighters that aren't elite level are able to adjust in mma. You are underestimating elite level boxers, and that's why the elite level boxers are always winning the fights. Plus there are boxers that cross trained and know other martial arts so for them they know how fight "mma" they just fight in boxing because the money is better. So you can't just assume all boxers will lose to an "mma" fighter in a fight. It's not that simple.

It's not even playing field you dumbass. Pure boxer only trains boxing, while MMA striker like Conor trains a lot of different aspect of hand to hand combat. Like what are you saying, that Tyson Fury shouldn't be proud of his win against a lousy boxer like Wilder who depends solely on his genetics? DumbIQ right here.

 

[Sakurabaism]

Seriously nothing's worse than a delusional, pea-brained cretin acting like he's the smartest person in the room.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Floyd Mayweather beat McGregor. Steve Cunningham beat Frank Mir. Jake Paul (lol) beat Ben Askren. Paul Gallen (lol) beat Mark Hunt. Ray Mercer beat Tim Sylvia in MMA. Stipe Miocic and Petr Yan were boxers before they were MMA fighters. Fabio Maldonado went 26-0 against the worst cans in boxing, and then when he finally took a step up he lost to Rivas, Teslenko, Hunter, and Takam. Anderson Silva and Israel Adesanya lost their debuts in boxing. Donald Cerrone and Mike Perry are 0-1.

Yeah in boxing dumbass, and mercer vs Sylvia was a striking agreed match with 4oz gloves in a cage...

 

[TheGreenMachine]

Boxing is probably the worst base for MMA because its so 1 dimensional. Its more like Wrestling > BJJ/Sambo > Muay Thai/Kicking > Boxing/Judo. Does anyone really think Steve Cunningham would last 1 round with Frank Mir in MMA? Or Mayweather with Conor in MMA? MMA fighters don't always win in boxing, but they can at least go several rounds or the distance with pro boxers. What pro boxer (pure pro boxer) would last 3 rounds with any ranked MMA fighter? There's a reason you rarely see a high level boxer like Mayweather or Canelo go to MMA. See below for examples of when boxers go to MMA/kickboxing.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

It's not even playing field you dumbass. Pure boxer only trains boxing, while MMA striker like Conor trains a lot of different aspect of hand to hand combat. Like what are you saying, that Tyson Fury shouldn't be proud of his win against a lousy boxer like Wilder who depends solely on his genetics? DumbIQ right here.

Dummy it is an even playing field, they all train boxing. Just one boxes better. The amount of time someone trains is just an excuse to use for not being as good at something. Yeah blame it all on genetics, common thing for people to say when they can't figure out how to KO people. Didn't Fury KO Wilder? Fury was known as a volume guy before focusing on KO power. It's not always genetics, it's called hard work. Stop blaming your genetics for not being able to KO someone and work on your KO and punching power. You have Dumb and Dumber Fight IQ.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

Guy Mezger won his boxing debut, as did Tra Telligman, as did Vitor Belfort.

That doesn't mean anything unless they are fighting high/elite level boxers. That's the real measurement. You don't compare mma debut fights versus fighters in the top 10 in the UFC. Huge skill gap between competition.

Unless the people they are fighting is high/elite level from the start, some fighters have done that in mma and in boxing. Got title fights in 3-5 fights because their competition was high/elite level from the start.