Wrestling > boxing > sambo > kickboxing > MMA > BJJ

[kflo]

Outside the US state funding of wrestling is often better but within the US wrestling just isnt a sport you can build a career on very often even if your one of the very best.

Thats really why MMA has always tended to be wrestler heavy, you have the talent base who can't earn much in their existing sport, the same way amature wrestlers often ended up in pro wrestling in the past.

it's wrestler heavy because there are SO many wrestlers. not because there's no opportunities for elite wrestlers. you think the comparable judo player to an all-american wrestler has good long term earning potential from judo? or sambo?

 

[Yellowcrab]

Wrestling is for the guys that are either too slow or too small to play football. Wrestling not paying shit and lacking visibility, was good because blak kids were weren't to interested, so white kids had their sport.

Am I doing this shitposting thing rigth?

What's wrong with you ? Are you that much insecure ?

I'm just applying a simple logic : higher paying sports will likely attract a better talent pool. Obviously, i'm just talking about an average, because some people will obviously just choose the sport they prefer.

Some will not even have the opportunity to practice another sport, because it's the only sport available in their town, etc.

I don't care about stories... if you perceive some differences due to your insecurities, they can easily be explained by social factors : for instance, fighting sports will likely attract far more people coming from a less economically privilieged background.

Why would you take a punch in the face if you can live an easy life with something else ?

 

[Yellowcrab]

If money draws only the best into Boxing is Jake Paul an elite boxer? Nope but he makes more money then 99.9% of boxers.

It's a really bad argument because Jake Paul's career in boxing is non-existent.

To be good in boxing and earn money, you have to be a really good athlete or an extremely hard worker, more so than in other fighting sports.

Ngannou's story could not happen in boxing. He was massively helped by his brute power, something that could not work in boxing because learning boxing skills at a higher level is much harder.

And don't come with Wilder : Wilder is a much better boxer than Ngannou. Also, he paid his lack of skills (compared to other pro boxers) against Fury.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

You're overly insecure about this but it's funny to watch so carry on

I'm not the one that can't handle the truth. I see it clearly. The mma bias shows insecurity. Just get better boxing and beat the boxers. That's all there is to it.

 

[cheesus]

I'm not the one that can't handle the truth. I see it clearly. The mma bias shows insecurity. Just get better boxing and beat the boxers. That's all there is to it.

What a bizarre and stupid statement. Unless you're an absolute freak of an athlete, you're not going to overcome the years of full time training as a high level boxer has with the years of part time training an mma fighter has.

Even though he wanted to, Askren could no longer compete at a high level in wrestling once he started his mma career started as his time was divided, despite already having the credentials of an elite wrestler and largely spending his mma bout preparations wrestling.

 

[ocean size]

So wrestlers are more athletic than mixed martial artists who train in wrestling?

did u really think that was going to be a gotcha

just jokes my guy

 

[HoeBrogan]

This might be the most retarded thread i have ever seen

 

[Y2Khaos]

Boxing is probably the worst base for MMA because its so 1 dimensional. Its more like Wrestling > BJJ/Sambo > Muay Thai/Kicking > Boxing/Judo. Does anyone really think Steve Cunningham would last 1 round with Frank Mir in MMA? Or Mayweather with Conor in MMA? MMA fighters don't always win in boxing, but they can at least go several rounds or the distance with pro boxers. What pro boxer (pure pro boxer) would last 3 rounds with any ranked MMA fighter? There's a reason you rarely see a high level boxer like Mayweather or Canelo go to MMA. See below for examples of when boxers go to MMA/kickboxing.

Ricardo Mayorga had some MMA fights. He is 0-4. In his first fight he kneed his opponent in the spine because he couldn't escape a triangle.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

What a bizarre and stupid statement. Unless you're an absolute freak of an athlete, you're not going to overcome the years of full time training as a high level boxer has with the years of part time training an mma fighter has.

Even though he wanted to, Askren could no longer compete at a high level in wrestling once he started his mma career started as his time was divided, despite already having the credentials of an elite wrestler and largely spending his mma bout preparations wrestling.

It's not dumb, those are just excuses. They train boxing their whole mma careers. There are mma fighters with high level boxing. It's not crazy, people just need their boxing skills to match pro boxers like how their other skills match bjj, wrestlers, kickboxers, sambo, etc specialist.

Other mma fighters are able to compete with high level bjj, wrestling, sambo, kickboxing, muay thai, etc specialist. Only reason people think it's impossible to do with boxing is because no mma fighter has been able to do it yet. But it's basically the same thing with the other specialist styles. Unless people think boxing skill level is that much higher compared to all other skill levels that no mma fighter can close the skill gap in boxing compared to other martial arts? I doubt that's what people think because all specialist skill sets require high skill levels as well.

 

[old school 2]

Ben Askerin is one best wrestlers ever to hold a belt in MMA , checkmate.

 

[cheesus]

Other mma fighters are able to compete with high level bjj, wrestling, sambo, kickboxing, muay thai, etc specialist.

Out of interest who ? You can't really compare those sports, the only other sport on that list that has the depth of boxing is wrestling and no wrestler or mma fighter who has developed wrestling, then went onto have high levels of success at wrestling once they transitioned back to wrestling.

Fighters use to compete in ADCC pretty regularly in the earlier days but that's becoming more rare as time goes on, the pool talent in bjj is getting higher every year, no active black belts in MMA would be a threat to Gordan Ryan or Craig Jones in pure grappling. There's also no casual fan base, so there's no money in it so it's likely we'll never see the pool talent and depth that boxing has.

Heavyweights are also an exception, because the pool talent of athletes that size are a rarity in all sports. Outside of the top 10 - 15 in HW boxing, most of them are pretty average. Lucas Browne was a regional level heavyweight in MMA and he was able to build himself as a contender and still had basic boxing ability.

 

[CallMeCasual]

The thing is that wrestlers don't have as many opportunities to make money after College. They can go for pro wrestling, but that is hard to succeed at and make money. MMA is a great way for a lot of wrestlers to make money on a skill that they have worked on for most of their life. On the other side, you got boxers and kickboxers, and I'm talking about the best in the world at this, can still make a lot of money in their respective sport and don't have to transition over to MMA. Because of this we get to see more high-level wrestlers in MMA compared to boxers and kickboxers.

This is why we get to see a lot of wrestlers dominating the competition. They are just way higher level. While a lot of predominantly strikers in MMA were not good enough to be great in their sport. There are a few exceptions that were great in their striking sport and they are doing very well in MMA.

 

[GUY]

so, how do you measure that? I think money and popularity are a good indicator, and boxing is still king, but I believe (or hope) mma will eventually take over.