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FIghtxIQ said:
Dummy it is an even playing field, they all train boxing. Just one boxes better. The amount of time someone trains is just an excuse to use for not being as good at something. Yeah blame it all on genetics, common thing for people to say when they can't figure out how to KO people. Didn't Fury KO Wilder? Fury was known as a volume guy before focusing on KO power. It's not always genetics, it's called hard work. Stop blaming your genetics for not being able to KO someone and work on your KO and punching power. You have Dumb and Dumber Fight IQ.
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so elite boxers are better at boxing than mma fighters? mind blown....
 
FIghtxIQ said:
Dummy it is an even playing field, they all train boxing. Just one boxes better. The amount of time someone trains is just an excuse to use for not being as good at something. Yeah blame it all on genetics, common thing for people to say when they can't figure out how to KO people. Didn't Fury KO Wilder? Fury was known as a volume guy before focusing on KO power. It's not always genetics, it's called hard work. Stop blaming your genetics for not being able to KO someone and work on your KO and punching power. You have Dumb and Dumber Fight IQ.
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What are you even talking about? Of course someone who trains 100% in only 1 specialty at a time is going to be better at it than someone who trains 20% in 5 specialties at a time. That's why its called "MIXED martial arts." Jack of all trades, master of none. But they still have at least 20% of boxing training. Show me a pure boxer who would enter an ADCC, D1 wrestling, Glory kickboxing, or judo championships and go to a decision in their first fight. None of them would, they'd get destroyed. The only sport that is truly an even playing field is MM because "almost" anything goes.

This is the hill you're willing to die on lol?
 
kflo said:
so elite boxers are better at boxing than mma fighters? mind blown....
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It doesn't mean that it has to stay that way. MMA fighters can work on their boxing skills to be able to compete with elite level boxers.
 
FIghtxIQ said:
It doesn't mean that it has to stay that way. MMA fighters can work on their boxing skills to be able to compete with elite level boxers.
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Why? They aren’t boxers....
 
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kflo said:
Why? They aren’t boxers....
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They use boxing in mma. Every mma fighter trains boxing. Boxers are just better at it but it doesn't mean mma fighters can't reach that level as well. What's the excuse of not being able to reach high level boxing if you are training boxing throughout your mma career?
 
Boxing>MMA
Always has been
 
FIghtxIQ said:
They use boxing in mma. Every mma fighter trains boxing. Boxers are just better at it but it doesn't mean mma fighters can't reach that level as well. What's the excuse of not being able to reach high level boxing if you are training boxing throughout your mma career?
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do you think boxers spend more time boxing than mma fighters? Or do boxers have so much free time they can become experts at kickboxing, wrestling, bjj and judo in their spare time if they wanted to?
 
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kflo said:
do you think boxers spend more time boxing than mma fighters? Or do boxers have so much free time they can become experts at kickboxing, wrestling, bjj and judo in their spare time if they wanted to?
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That doesn't matter to be honest. MMA fighters should be able to reach high level boxing, there are mma fighters already with high level boxing so that isn't a real excuse as to why most mma fighters can't reach a level of high level boxing.
 
FIghtxIQ said:
That doesn't matter to be honest. MMA fighters should be able to reach high level boxing, there are mma fighters already with high level boxing so that isn't a real excuse as to why most mma fighters can't reach a level of high level boxing.
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so time dedicated to mastering something isn't correlated with actually mastering something? shouldn't they all be elite at boxing, wrestling, muay thai, bjj and judo then as well? why just boxing?
 
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kflo said:
so time dedicated to mastering something isn't correlated with actually mastering something? shouldn't they all be elite at boxing, wrestling, muay thai, bjj and judo then as well? why just boxing?
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Yes be elite in everything, but don't use any excuses as to why your level isn't elite if you are actively training it for years/decades.
 
Honestly I think wrestling is actually the skill set thats easiest to nullify. There was a period in the late 00's and early 10's were fighters werent used to wrestlers trying to LnP decisions but that really ended a few years ago and now relatively few elite fights are desided via wrestling.

MMA has lots of wrestlers in it because US wrestling especially offers almost no long term career potential, its a cheap source of talent and MMA promoters are very cheap these days.
 
moreorless87 said:
Honestly I think wrestling is actually the skill set thats easiest to nullify. There was a period in the late 00's and early 10's were fighters werent used to wrestlers trying to LnP decisions but that really ended a few years ago and now relatively few elite fights are desided via wrestling.

MMA has lots of wrestlers in it because US wrestling especially offers almost no long term career potential, its a cheap source of talent and MMA promoters are very cheap these days.
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Few elite fights are decided by wrestling because promoters discourage it and fans trash anybody who actually uses effective technique. Even Khabib gets criticized for what he does. Since most fighters just want to be paid, of course they'll go for the sloppier but more crowd-friendly brawling gameplan.
 
FIghtxIQ said:
That doesn't mean anything unless they are fighting high/elite level boxers. That's the real measurement. You don't compare mma debut fights versus fighters in the top 10 in the UFC. Huge skill gap between competition.

Unless the people they are fighting is high/elite level from the start, some fighters have done that in mma and in boxing. Got title fights in 3-5 fights because their competition was high/elite level from the start.
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You're overly insecure about this but it's funny to watch so carry on
 
moreorless87 said:
Honestly I think wrestling is actually the skill set thats easiest to nullify. There was a period in the late 00's and early 10's were fighters werent used to wrestlers trying to LnP decisions but that really ended a few years ago and now relatively few elite fights are desided via wrestling.

MMA has lots of wrestlers in it because US wrestling especially offers almost no long term career potential, its a cheap source of talent and MMA promoters are very cheap these days.
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most combat sports don't have any long term career potential for most competitors.
 
kflo said:
most combat sports don't have any long term career potential for most competitors.
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True overall but in US wrestling even the very best don't have much earnings potential and thats the kind of talent MMA obviously wants, sports like kickboxing and these days even BJJ have a lot more earning potential for the best fighters involved in them.
 
Evan_The_Kid_1 said:
You're overly insecure about this but it's funny to watch so carry on
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I don't get why anyone would defend boxer's so much when most of the high level ones are too insecure to try their hand at MMA and only call out people to compete in their narrow skillset. But trollin aint easy, right?
 
moreorless87 said:
True overall but in US wrestling even the very best don't have much earnings potential and thats the kind of talent MMA obviously wants, sports like kickboxing and these days even BJJ have a lot more earning potential for the best fighters involved in them.
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the "very best" wrestlers are mostly staying in wrestling. the us has collegiate national champions that most other countries don't have, but you put that on level footing with true national champions (not collegiate) in other sports / countries.
 
kflo said:
the "very best" wrestlers are mostly staying in wrestling. the us has collegiate national champions that most other countries don't have, but you put that on level footing with true national champions (not collegiate) in other sports / countries.
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Outside the US state funding of wrestling is often better but within the US wrestling just isnt a sport you can build a career on very often even if your one of the very best.

Thats really why MMA has always tended to be wrestler heavy, you have the talent base who can't earn much in their existing sport, the same way amature wrestlers often ended up in pro wrestling in the past.
 
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