WOW more fighters should go Bellator and get "paid"

[Jorge Luis Borges]

If by big dogs you mean the guys who made a name outside Bellator and take that money from actual top fighters, then yes. Dada5000 and Kimbo will probably make big money.

Yeah, but you have to deduct the cost of that sledgehammer from whatever DaDa makes. Expenses, you know?

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

Yeah, but you have to deduct the cost of that sledgehammer from whatever DaDa makes. Expenses, you know?

Tax write off!

 

[Ronnie Dunavin]

Why even bring up the comparison between the two companies? Virtually all MMA fans have long formed their opinions on this, and it won't change. I have bought countless UFC ppvs over the years and will continue to. A lot of their Fox cards have been better than the ppvs recently, which is even better for me. But I hope Bellator succeeds, because MMA in general was better when the UFC had competition like Strikeforce. Their cards have been watered down for a while now.

 

[Kinku]

OP did not take into account how much the fighters were paid by sponsors on top of their pay from Bellator.

Typical UFC shill thread.

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Base pay 1000 bucks, how much you think that fighter going get sponsor wise. Another 10k? that be like 11K still far worse than UFC undercard fighters. Sponsors are not going to pay big bucks for unknown fighters. Guys like Benson yes but not some up and coming fighter who has no following. Its actually big joke a fighter getting paid 1000 bucks from a company that has more money than zuffa.

 

[Kinku]

Micky Gall being fatten up before he is fed to CM Punk... That's the only reason why he's getting paid that amount.

Micky gall getting paid almost the same amount as a main card fighter in Bellator. Randy Brown got paid 22k for his first fight in the UFC

 

[ABSthetics]

Daley has a special contract like King Mo. Mo was raking in 100k with his fights in Japan before even being 5-0.

Do you really think Josh Thomson is fighting for $10k after how many years hes been in the game?

King Mo fighting for $15k

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/09/bellat...0k-phil-davis-130k-earn-top-disclosed-payouts

Bellator doesn't disclose some complete fighter purses.

You're out of your god damned mind if you think Daley, Mo, and Thomson are fighting for 10-25k

 

[rbastid]

Unless you are getting legit good sponsors which most bellator are not then the pay difference is still huge.

People around here actually believe that the guy with "Dave's Ribs and Wings" on his shorts, fighting for $1K on the prelims is getting $20K in sponsorships.

Even top tier fighters aren't making tons for sponsorships (though they might get good money for overall sponsorship deals that include meet and greats and advertising, things they were 100% allowed to do while in the UFC)

Like commercials sponsors pay based on the numbers and the willingness to spend by those watching. While Bellator averages 550K to 700K viewers, depending on the event, Spike is looked at as a low revenue channel, pretty much forced upon subscribers who want MTV, so their value to advertisers is low.

I'm sure guys like Henderson did what was best for them, but most likely took the short term approach to the money as opposed to making more but having it come down the line, which isn't a bad idea in a sport where one wrong move and your career is over.

Bellator is a good place for new comers to get some money and exposure, or guys on their way out to make some decent money before they retire. It's a terrible place for very good fighters (The Pit Bulls, Brookes, and Struases) who help build the company and make way less than their equal in the UFC, as Bellator is interested in spending that money on Bum fight competitors or guys who retired 15 years ago. There's a ceiling to your earning potential as a Bellator bred fighter. They start you off at $2K and after dozens of fights you're lucky to make $25K, can't say as much for the UFC where guys who started at $10K are making $100K+ after a second contract negotiation.

 

[UJustGotChaeld]

Daley has a special contract like King Mo. Mo was raking in 100k with his fights in Japan before even being 5-0.

Do you really think Josh Thomson is fighting for $10k after how many years hes been in the game?

King Mo fighting for $15k

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/09/bellat...0k-phil-davis-130k-earn-top-disclosed-payouts

Bellator doesn't disclose some complete fighter purses.

You're out of your god damned mind if you think Daley, Mo, and Thomson are fighting for 10-25k

Is that a 1 way argument or can we say the same is true for the UFC?

 

[rbastid]

Daley has a special contract like King Mo. Mo was raking in 100k with his fights in Japan before even being 5-0.

Do you really think Josh Thomson is fighting for $10k after how many years hes been in the game?

King Mo fighting for $15k

http://mmajunkie.com/2015/09/bellat...0k-phil-davis-130k-earn-top-disclosed-payouts

Bellator doesn't disclose some complete fighter purses.

You're out of your god damned mind if you think Daley, Mo, and Thomson are fighting for 10-25k

Well they most likely are fighting for that, but might have received a $500K signing bonus for a 4 fight contract, which means in the end they're making $135K+ a fight.

Though Thomson might not be making $10K a fight, after a signing bonus, but I don't think he's making a ton. Bellator most likely saw the contract the UFC offered him, which seems like they might have given him a very low ball contract in hopes he walked away, so if the UFC offered him $20K/fight as disrespectful way of saying "You shouldn't have put off resigning and then losing" Bellator might have come in an offered him the same thing + ability to have sponsors.

Scott Coker might be a terrible MMA promoter (killing what made Bellator unique and turning it into a freakshow of homeless fighters and senior citizens) but he knows not to overpay for a guy. Thomson wasn't a "free agent" he was a released player, and in all sports those guys go way down in pay once they're seen as no longer wanted.

 

[rbastid]

Is that a 1 way argument or can we say the same is true for the UFC?

Former UFC fighter Sean McCorkle said the disclosed UFC contracts are crap. That he made 150% of what he should have been paid at a minimum, even getting double when he UFC deemed he gave it his all in the Struve fight. Thats not including FotN bonuses.

He said Sponsorship money was about 75% of what his UFC per fight contract was.

Thats really the only clear cut outline I've seen of any fighter pay. We've had Schaub claiming his $100K sponsorship verified by Rogan (though he said he saw a $100K check not saying if that was for more than just in fight sponsorships) I find it hard to believe a guy making $32K a fight with no fan base is pulling in $100K a fight from sponsors.

 

[lsa]

I must let you all know, that post wasn't meant to be taken seriously...hah.

It really sucks when you have to explain a joke.
It loses some of its lustre or whats its called.

 

[lsa]

Some people make it seem so easy to get sponsor money.
Its a lot of work to get sponsors to pay you.
Takes lot of time and effort.
A few years back a Bellator fighter made a thread in WW-forum asking for sponsors.

 

[philweed]

Fighters make more in Bellator....

Oh yeah? Let's see your proof that Bellator fighters are making more than UFC fighters with sponsorships. Post all your so-called "FACTS".

UFC fighters can and do have sponsors outside the octagon. This has been acknowledged several times by Dana and Lorenzo.

 

[exHeavyHippie]

Looks almost like a UFC payscale, except these fighters are allowed real sponsorship money

It LOOKS like there top pay on the card listed was about the average pay for the UFC card listed.......

 

[mangokush]

Oh yeah? Let's see your proof that Bellator fighters are making more than UFC fighters with sponsorships. Post all your so-called "FACTS".

UFC fighters can and do have sponsors outside the octagon. This has been acknowledged several times by Dana and Lorenzo.

The fighters who fought for the UFC seem to know where the money is at and it isn't with the UFC...it is with Bellator.

If fighters can't have sponsors inside the octagon then it is useless.

Dana and Lorenzo don't need you to white knight for them.

 

[cheese32165]

MMA

The fighters who fought for the UFC seem to know where the money is at and it isn't with the UFC...it is with Bellator.

If fighters can't have sponsors inside the octagon then it is useless.

Dana and Lorenzo don't need you to white knight for them.

Did you even realise what you just said there, "fought for the UFC" which means they are longer with the UFC because the UFC didn't want them.

The people who are white knighting as you say are people who live in reality and have been supply sources and facts whilst you fucktard hipsters can only say "but but the sponsorship money doe herp er derp".

 

[Luger]

Rosholt got paid?
They should have kept his car, for being such a bore.

 

[Big_Chief_Stove]

Bellator 148

• Paul Daley: $25,000 (no win bonus)

• Andy Uhrich: $8,000

• Paul Bradley: $16,000 (includes $8,000 win bonus)

• Chris Honeycutt: $15,000

• Patricky Freire: $40,000 (includes $20,000 win bonus)

• Ryan Couture: $19,000

• Tony Johnson: $36,000 (includes $18,000 win bonus)

• Raphael Butler: $11,000

• Jermaine McDermott: $2,000 (includes $1,000 win bonus)

• Eric Huggins: $1,500

• Matt Perez: $2,000 (includes $1,000 win bonus)

• Eugene Cancino: $1,000

• Te Edwards: $4,000 (includes $2,000 win bonus)

• Nick Bustamante: $1,750

• Josh San Diego: $2,000 (includes $1,000 win bonus)

• Paul Ruiz: $2,500

• Justin Smitley: $3,000 (includes $1,500 win bonus)

• Art Arciniega: $1,500

• Ilima-Lei MacFarlane: $6,000 (includes $3,000 win bonus)

• Amber Tackett: $1,000

• Carl Seumanutafa: $4,000 (includes $2,000 win bonus)

• Javy Ayala: $4,000

Also I'm sure the sponsorship money is great on spike.com prelims.
For comparison here is a recent UFC fight night payout.



Stephen Thompson: $48,000 (includes $24,000 win bonus)
def. Johny Hendricks: $100,000

Roy Nelson: $125,000 (includes $50,000 win bonus)
def. Jared Rosholt: $33,000

Ovince Saint Preux: $102,000 (includes $51,000 win bonus)
def. Rafael Cavalcante: $42,000

Joseph Benavidez: $118,000 (includes $59,000 win bonus)
def. Zach Makovsky: $19,000

Misha Cirkunov: $24,000 (includes $12,000 win bonus)
def. Alex Nicholson: $10,000

Mike Pyle: $106,000 (includes $53,000 win bonus)
def. Sean Spencer: $17,000

Josh Burkman: $90,000 (includes $45,000 win bonus)
def. K.J. Noons : $34,000

Derrick Lewis: $50,000 (includes $25,000 win bonus)
def. Damian Grabowski: $17,000

Justin Scoggins: $34,000 (includes $17,000 win bonus)
def. Ray Borg: $18,000

Diego Rivas: $20,000 (includes $10,000 win bonus)
def. Noad Lahat: $17,000

Mickey Gall: $20,000 (includes $10,000 win bonus)
def. Mike Jackson: $10,000

Alex White: $24,000 (includes $12,000 win bonus)
def. Artem Lobov: $13,000

Diego Rivas with his 50k bonus made more money than Paul fucking Daley, Paul Daley people and it was his début.

They have a much wider range of talent than the UFC also. Pay still sucks though, not much more than any other mid market promotion would pay. Maybe they found some investors to help sign the recent talent.

 

[cheese32165]

They have a much wider range of talent than the UFC also. Pay still sucks though, not much more than any other mid market promotion would pay. Maybe they found some investors to help sign the recent talent.

 

[Serana]

Ahahah, sorry, bud!