Elections Would the left be more supportive of a JD Vance presidency?

What fraud?

Uh sure but why would they be prosecuted for that?

Of course I don't think they should be prosecuted unless they committed crimes like Trump did(conspiracy to overturn 2020 election, stealing classified documents etc).

What Fraud? Was Biden really running the country? You're not stupid.

Are you suggesting Biden wasn’t mentally incompetent?

lol
 
Wait, you think Biden wasn't running the country? Who was then?
His cabinet and inner circle.

Wait, you still haven't accepted that Biden could barely go five hours without naptime, multiple first hand accounts of him barely knowing where he was or what his job was, and you still think he was actually making all the decisions?

The delusion is strong with this one.
 
It's not the fact that he's a Republican that's the issue, it's that he's a MAGA populist so substantively he's not different from Trump he just has less charisma. Trading out Trump for JD is like swapping out Palpatine for Doku or Megatron for Starscream.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to see Trump impeached and imprisoned for the sake of the country but I have few illusions that JD will be an improvement outside the fact that he'd be less effective.
The bigger issue with Vance may actually be that he apparently has no concrete policy stances that aren't for sale and changes his views even more than Trump. That's saying something.
 
No. People like to forget but the left was just as insane about Bush Jr when he was president. They still have a stroke when they think about Reagan or Nixon.

This is just what they do when they lose. They have a tantrum for 4-8 years.

This is sublimely false.

Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 represented normalized conservatism since Nixon.

They represented the normal pendulum swing of American politics and for whatever failings they may or may not have had they traditional leaders and advocates for the democratic process and didnt sew chaos (barring maybe the patriot act, which most Americans supported)

I think the country became disillusioned with GW Bush ONLY because of the economic crisis that garnered a bipartisan response.

trump presidency doesnt represent conservatism. People who are opposed to him are not because of any conservative values he posseses.

trump is NOT conservative. He's skillfully duped a large percentage of essentially obstuse voters into labeling his self interests as conservative

There is a reason Cheney , Bush and Pence and other traditional conservatives could not endorse trump and has nothing to do with "da left"
 
Vance likened Trump to hitler

called him an itiod and "reprehensible"


Not knowing his policies, Ive got to imagine he's better than Trump, ANYONE is.

If GW Bush ran against trump, id vote for him in heartbeat
 
This is sublimely false.

Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 represented normalized conservatism since Nixon.

They represented the normal pendulum swing of American politics and for whatever failings they may or may not have had they traditional leaders and advocates for the democratic process and didnt sew chaos (barring maybe the patriot act, which most Americans supported)

I think the country became disillusioned with GW Bush ONLY because of the economic crisis that garnered a bipartisan response.

trump presidency doesnt represent conservatism. People who are opposed to him are not because of any conservative values he posseses.

trump is NOT conservative. He's skillfully duped a large percentage of essentially obstuse voters into labeling his self interests as conservative

There is a reason Cheney , Bush and Pence and other traditional conservatives could not endorse trump and has nothing to do with "da left"

How old were you in 2000?

George Bush 2 was HATED. Reagan and Nixon were hated for DECADES after their presidencies.

You are trying to rewrite history to justify your TDS.
 
Guy is articulate but would get smashed. He’s too right and his views on abortion and women’s rights are beyond fucked up. Owning one of the dumbest politicians in Tim Walz and then carrying water for one of the other won’t get him the presidency. Tim Walz is clown shoes but JD Vance is right in front. JD Vance culturally appropriated my area, dogged the shit out of us, and then uses it to make him seem like some every-man. Fucking guy is a bootlicker for his buddy Thiel.
 
How old were you in 2000?

George Bush 2 was HATED. Reagan and Nixon were hated for DECADES after their presidencies.

You are trying to rewrite history to justify your TDS.
Bush 2 was disliked. He was not hated. You're being extremely dramatic.

Reagan and Nixon were absolutely hated and for understandable reasons.
 
Vance is a slimy yes-man, i definitely dont want that dude as president. absolute standard whore politician; shit on Trump up until around 2020 then he started sucking up to him cause he saw how the trend was going in the Republican party.

i believe the American people are bereft of good options for a president. i dont see anyone in the Democrat or Republican party that would motivate me to vote for them.
 
Vance would be worse, not better. If Vance were President, Peter Theil would be running the Country. I'd prefer not to have a lunatic who wants an technocratic ethno-Nationalist surveillance State as our "CEO."
 
How old were you in 2000?

George Bush 2 was HATED. Reagan and Nixon were hated for DECADES after their presidencies.

You are trying to rewrite history to justify your TDS.
Most of the hatred for Reagan was partisan. Reagan was pretty damn popular.
 
How old were you in 2000?

George Bush 2 was HATED. Reagan and Nixon were hated for DECADES after their presidencies.

You are trying to rewrite history to justify your TDS.
LOL!

Nixon was impeached for what was previously the biggest act of corruption in the executive office

Bush fell out of favor with BOTH parties due to the collapse of the economy.

People were NOT protesting BUSH for being elected. Neither president regularly attacked americans or american institutions

Nixon and Bush represent the traditional conflict between conservatisim and progessive. People disliked them for the same reason people didnt like Clinton or JFK. For policies

Trump is a morally bankrupt felon and a RAPIST.

Women across the planet protested trump independent of political ideology-

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There is ZERO comparison.

trying to compare Nixon, Bush to trump is laughable and an attempt to normalize his derangement
 
LOL!

Nixon was impeached for what was previously the biggest act of corruption in the executive office

Bush fell out of favor with BOTH parties due to the collapse of the economy.

People were NOT protesting BUSH for being elected. Neither president regularly attacked americans or american institutions

Nixon and Bush represent the traditional conflict between conservatisim and progessive. People disliked them for the same reason people didnt like Clinton or JFK. For policies

Trump is a morally bankrupt felon and a RAPIST.

Women across the planet protested trump independent of political ideology-

-1x-1.webp


There is ZERO comparison.

trying to compare Nixon, Bush to trump is laughable and an attempt to normalize his derangement

You were just too young to remember it.
 
Most of the hatred for Reagan was partisan. Reagan was pretty damn popular.

Sure but that's true for Trump too.

I didn't even grow up in the US and I was barragex my entire childhood with TV shows, movies and music about what a piece of shit Reagan was. It was constant.
 
LOL!

Nixon was impeached for what was previously the biggest act of corruption in the executive office

Bush fell out of favor with BOTH parties due to the collapse of the economy.

People were NOT protesting BUSH for being elected. Neither president regularly attacked americans or american institutions

Nixon and Bush represent the traditional conflict between conservatisim and progessive. People disliked them for the same reason people didnt like Clinton or JFK. For policies

Trump is a morally bankrupt felon and a RAPIST.

Women across the planet protested trump independent of political ideology-

-1x-1.webp


There is ZERO comparison.

trying to compare Nixon, Bush to trump is laughable and an attempt to normalize his derangement
You absolutely have to be born post-2005. George Bush (and his dad) was a monumental bum. His cabinet was rife with evil, slimy pricks. Drug us into two wars we are still paying for both in capital and reputation. Bush has the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocents on his hands and partially paved the way for where we are at in the ME. George W Bush and Dick Cheney should legitimately be in fucking prison. Not to take anything away from the other dickheads you mentioned, but Bush is the crown jewel of buffoonery.

Edit: you have a 2010 account, you should know better.
 
You absolutely have to be born post-2005. George Bush (and his dad) was a monumental bum. His cabinet was rife with evil, slimy pricks. Drug us into two wars we are still paying for both in capital and reputation. Bush has the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocents on his hands and partially paved the way for where we are at in the ME. George W Bush and Dick Cheney should legitimately be in fucking prison. Not to take anything away from the other dickheads you mentioned, but Bush is the crown jewel of buffoonery.

Edit: you have a 2010 account, you should know better.

You totally misinterpreted what I wrote.

I didnt say the Bush's were good presidents. I think by most metrics GW Bush was NOT a good president and its only because of his bumblings Obama was even viable.

Infact most of the country supported him after 9-11 as with the military conflicts that followed

But "progressives" didn't HATE him because he was "republican". I think even at his lowest points like the Patriot Act, there was not the level of bipartisan contempt that trump garners.


All that said, to the initial post-

As bad as Bush was, I would absolutely welcome him, his dad, Reagan, Romney, McCain over trump in a heart beat.

Shit probably Cheney too.
 
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